A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

(05-12-2018 08:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

They get 70% of a share(1/12th) Wichita state get 30% of a share. Navy's includes the Army game, or in better words they get the Army game money plus X amount from AAC deal to equal 70% of a AAC share.

Army Game + AAC pulled money = 70% share of AAC Full member. Unless said amount is under 5mil, in which case AAC pays enough to be 5mil total.

(05-12-2018 02:11 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 08:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

They get 70% of a share(1/12th) Wichita state get 30% of a share. Navy's includes the Army game, or in better words they get the Army game money plus X amount from AAC deal to equal 70% of a AAC share.

Army Game + AAC pulled money = 70% share of AAC Full member. Unless said amount is under 5mil, in which case AAC pays enough to be 5mil total.

Do you have a source on this, or is it just your impression of what it "must be", or what is fair or whatever?

(05-12-2018 02:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:11 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 08:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

They get 70% of a share(1/12th) Wichita state get 30% of a share. Navy's includes the Army game, or in better words they get the Army game money plus X amount from AAC deal to equal 70% of a AAC share.

Army Game + AAC pulled money = 70% share of AAC Full member. Unless said amount is under 5mil, in which case AAC pays enough to be 5mil total.

Do you have a source on this, or is it just your impression of what it "must be", or what is fair or whatever?

It is in the article from when Wichita State joined. The 5 mil minimum is in the recent CBS announcement.

(05-12-2018 07:50 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:11 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 08:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

They get 70% of a share(1/12th) Wichita state get 30% of a share. Navy's includes the Army game, or in better words they get the Army game money plus X amount from AAC deal to equal 70% of a AAC share.

Army Game + AAC pulled money = 70% share of AAC Full member. Unless said amount is under 5mil, in which case AAC pays enough to be 5mil total.

Do you have a source on this, or is it just your impression of what it "must be", or what is fair or whatever?

It is in the article from when Wichita State joined. The 5 mil minimum is in the recent CBS announcement.

That would be news to me. The CBS-Sports article I saw did not mention money. The 70-30 percentage is the football/basketball split that was to be used in 2011 when the C7 were still part of the Big East/AAC (it was in the actual signing agreements for UH, Boise, SMU, and UCF). Ive never seen any specific split number used in connection with the Wichita agreement (but I would assume its probably no more than 70-30).

(05-12-2018 07:50 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:42 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 02:11 PM)spenser Wrote:  

(05-12-2018 08:20 AM)TerryD Wrote:  A smart deal by Navy. It keeps its TV revenues from the Army game.

It gives up the TV rights to the ND home games, but I think most of its money there is from ticket sales at big venues. Obviously, Navy keeps that money.

Kudos to Navy. I am not a fan of "one size fits all" and think that this deal is a creative one.

I wonder what Navy's share (as a football only with its own carved out deal) of the new AAC TV contract will be, compared to full members.

They get 70% of a share(1/12th) Wichita state get 30% of a share. Navy's includes the Army game, or in better words they get the Army game money plus X amount from AAC deal to equal 70% of a AAC share.

Army Game + AAC pulled money = 70% share of AAC Full member. Unless said amount is under 5mil, in which case AAC pays enough to be 5mil total.

Do you have a source on this, or is it just your impression of what it "must be", or what is fair or whatever?

It is in the article from when Wichita State joined. The 5 mil minimum is in the recent CBS announcement.

I'm not trying to be a jerk to you, but you're talking about

your memory of an article from 12 months ago
that wasn't primarily about TV revenue
about a different school.

That's a lot of possible-points-of-failure, given that we're talking about a pretty arcane subject that the schools and conferences and TV networks generally don't like to publicize. Without an actual llink to an article, or being a poster with a *long* history of bring very careful with claims, I have to wonder
Did you misread the article? (I do that sometimes)
Are you misremembering? (I do that sometimes)
Was a beat writer making an assumption without checking? (Wichita writer is probably not a deep expert on NAvy's TV rights, may not even know that it's something he needs to check)

(05-09-2018 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC gets the rights to the ND-Navy game every 2 years, that’s really the most important matchup for TV rights purposes. (Army-Navy is a completely separate single game-only contract.) I’m guessing that the AAC getting the ND-Navy game was the trade off for Navy retaining its rights to its other home games. I’m not as optimistic about the size of the potential rise in the next AAC contract as others, but as far as Navy goes, the AAC got the one ND game every 2 years that it needed to make a material difference in its negotiating position with the networks.

In addition to the Notre Dame game every two years, the American inventory will also have top pick of all the non-Air Force/Navy home games each year. In other words, the top Navy conference home game.

(05-13-2018 09:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC gets the rights to the ND-Navy game every 2 years, that’s really the most important matchup for TV rights purposes. (Army-Navy is a completely separate single game-only contract.) I’m guessing that the AAC getting the ND-Navy game was the trade off for Navy retaining its rights to its other home games. I’m not as optimistic about the size of the potential rise in the next AAC contract as others, but as far as Navy goes, the AAC got the one ND game every 2 years that it needed to make a material difference in its negotiating position with the networks.

In addition to the Notre Dame game every two years, the American inventory will also have top pick of all the non-Air Force/Navy home games each year. In other words, the top Navy conference home game.

So basically 2 valuable games in even years and 1 in odd years. Plus, Navy @ AAC teams are more valuable than some random AAC games. So they definitely add some value - much like Notre Dame adds some (but not all) value to the ACC contract. Maybe an extra $1 million/yr to each of the other AAC schools?

(05-13-2018 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 09:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC gets the rights to the ND-Navy game every 2 years, that’s really the most important matchup for TV rights purposes. (Army-Navy is a completely separate single game-only contract.) I’m guessing that the AAC getting the ND-Navy game was the trade off for Navy retaining its rights to its other home games. I’m not as optimistic about the size of the potential rise in the next AAC contract as others, but as far as Navy goes, the AAC got the one ND game every 2 years that it needed to make a material difference in its negotiating position with the networks.

In addition to the Notre Dame game every two years, the American inventory will also have top pick of all the non-Air Force/Navy home games each year. In other words, the top Navy conference home game.

So basically 2 valuable games in even years and 1 in odd years. Plus, Navy @ AAC teams are more valuable than some random AAC games. So they definitely add some value - much like Notre Dame adds some (but not all) value to the ACC contract. Maybe an extra $1 million/yr to each of the other AAC schools?

I think its more so that those games add additional value to an already more valuable AAC package of games. The AAC has never disappointed when given good windows. With teams like Memphis and UCF or a Houston are garnering multi millions of viewers for intra conference match ups those Notre Dame vs Navy games or really liked the icing on the cake for a network that's interested in signing the AAC to a deal

(05-13-2018 11:34 AM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 10:29 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-13-2018 09:32 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(05-09-2018 05:55 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  If the AAC gets the rights to the ND-Navy game every 2 years, that’s really the most important matchup for TV rights purposes. (Army-Navy is a completely separate single game-only contract.) I’m guessing that the AAC getting the ND-Navy game was the trade off for Navy retaining its rights to its other home games. I’m not as optimistic about the size of the potential rise in the next AAC contract as others, but as far as Navy goes, the AAC got the one ND game every 2 years that it needed to make a material difference in its negotiating position with the networks.

In addition to the Notre Dame game every two years, the American inventory will also have top pick of all the non-Air Force/Navy home games each year. In other words, the top Navy conference home game.

So basically 2 valuable games in even years and 1 in odd years. Plus, Navy @ AAC teams are more valuable than some random AAC games. So they definitely add some value - much like Notre Dame adds some (but not all) value to the ACC contract. Maybe an extra $1 million/yr to each of the other AAC schools?

I think its more so that those games add additional value to an already more valuable AAC package of games. [b]The AAC has never disappointed when given good windows.[/b] With teams like Memphis and UCF or a Houston are garnering multi millions of viewers for intra conference match ups those Notre Dame vs Navy games or really liked the icing on the cake for a network that's interested in signing the AAC to a deal

You nailed it here ^^^

Some in this board hate to admit or are just plain jealous that in only a few short years the AAC has grown up quite impressively and along the way is building itself some interesting must see watchable matchups... And 100% agree, the Navy addition did make the AAC as you say it "icing on the cake".

The AAC is transforming itself like some high revenue conferences that if we remove say Houston, Cincinnati, UConn, Memphis, Navy UCF for example the American becomes none interested.

In the high revenue conferences we already know what could become of the Big12 if they lost UT and OU... What about if the B1G lost say Michigan, Penn State and Ohio
State... Or if The PAC and the ACC lost their heavy hitters these leagues too become unwatchable.