That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

yeah, your reward for a 15-3 25-7 season at Rhode Island is the worst 7 seed. Houston in the AAC was 14-4 26-7 and they were #23(2nd worst 6 seed).

OOC Rhode Island was #3 SOS. Houston was #239.

And that just shows the difference between the conferences.

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

(03-22-2018 11:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

Butler has been thru now 5 coaches in the last 12 years, and Xavier is looking at the real threat of losing their coach to Louisville- and would be on their 4th coach in 15 years.

(03-22-2018 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

Butler has been thru now 5 coaches in the last 12 years, and Xavier is looking at the real threat of losing their coach to Louisville- and would be on their 4th coach in 15 years.

I don't think you can really go that far back with X/Butler though, as they were major winners in realignment and have only been at the high-major level for a few years now. 12 years ago Butler was in the Horizon League, their situation is vastly different now.

(03-22-2018 08:58 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw from ESPN that Dan Hurley was hired at UConn... from Rhode Island.

I guess if there was any question that the AAC was higher now than the A10- that's gone now.

I don't think many people outside of this board questioned the AAC being higher than the A-10 - that was generally apparent from top to bottom. In any event, UConn is clearly a top tier program above URI regardless of the conference (just as Gonzaga is clearly a top tier program above URI even though the WCC is weaker than the A-10).

yeah but a lot of people on this board absolutely believe that the A10 is at least equal. Says league getting 3 bids this year proves it.

I’d put the A10 on par with the Mountain West, a step below the Powers, but ahead of C-USA (although very strong lately), the MVC (trending downward), and the WCC. The Sun Belt, MAC, CAA, and WAC have all fallen out of this third tier group.

The American with UConn and Cincinnati is very strong at the top historically. Add Temple, Memphis, and Houston and it is clearly a power conference.

*I’d actually drop the MVC down for now. Loyola’s resurgence in nice, but until Bradley, UNI, and Southern Illinois are mid-major forces again, they are a 1-bid League.

(03-22-2018 11:32 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

Butler has been thru now 5 coaches in the last 12 years, and Xavier is looking at the real threat of losing their coach to Louisville- and would be on their 4th coach in 15 years.

I don't think you can really go that far back with X/Butler though, as they were major winners in realignment and have only been at the high-major level for a few years now. 12 years ago Butler was in the Horizon League, their situation is vastly different now.

Butler though is on coach #3 in the Big East even now(and that's not even counting Stevens).

(03-22-2018 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:10 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  That’s too bad. He could have been a legend at Rhode Island, he is just another coach at UConn. Calhoun gets the statue there,.


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You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

Butler has been thru now 5 coaches in the last 12 years, and Xavier is looking at the real threat of losing their coach to Louisville- and would be on their 4th coach in 15 years.

So they have sustained success through multiple coaches (one of whom was there a single season and left for medical reasons)? I’m unsure of the logic being used here. Xavier was just a number 1 seed by winning a Power Conference. Those programs are legit national title contenders nowadays.

(03-22-2018 11:35 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:32 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:25 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:19 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  You can win national titles at UConn. You can't at Rhode Island.

Well, apparently he didn’t want to stick around until winning a title at URI was possible. Nobody would have believed you could win a title at Xavier, Gonzaga, or Butler in the past.

Butler has been thru now 5 coaches in the last 12 years, and Xavier is looking at the real threat of losing their coach to Louisville- and would be on their 4th coach in 15 years.

I don't think you can really go that far back with X/Butler though, as they were major winners in realignment and have only been at the high-major level for a few years now. 12 years ago Butler was in the Horizon League, their situation is vastly different now.

Butler though is on coach #3 in the Big East even now(and that's not even counting Stevens).

...and? Oklahoma State is on their third coach in three years, turnover's a natural part of the business. None of this refutes the idea that both schools are now in a situation where they're able to be nationally relevant.

(03-22-2018 07:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw from ESPN that Dan Hurley was hired at UConn... from Rhode Island.

I guess if there was any question that the AAC was higher now than the A10- that's gone now.

I don't think this changes anything. As someone else said, it's UConn, not Tulane. If you believed that the A-10 was stronger than the AAC yesterday, you probably still believe that.

(I'm not sure anyone really did believe that--is that a common belief on That OTher Board you go to?)

(03-22-2018 08:45 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:43 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just saw from ESPN that Dan Hurley was hired at UConn... from Rhode Island.

I guess if there was any question that the AAC was higher now than the A10- that's gone now.

As someone else said, it's more a UConn >> URI thing than an AAC > A10 thing. IF you believed that the A-10 was slightly stronger than the AAC yesterday, you probably still believe that.

(I'm not sure how many people do believe that--is it common on That OTher Board you go to?)

(03-22-2018 08:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  [quote='esayem' pid='15200406' dateline='1521726151']
This doesn't appear to be a AAC vs. A10 thing, it's a program vs. program thing. Dayton could poach a coach from a lesser programs in the AAC and vice versa (like what just happened).

I don't think so regarding Dayton. I mean, look who they hired last year when they lost Miller. A total retread in Anthony Grant.

Grant wasn't a great hire, but he's a UD guy. IF he doesn't work out, I could see UD poaching from the lower half of the AAC. I could also see any of those schools poaching a hot coach from anyone in the A-10 if they're willing to overpay a little. (Or SLU or UMass or VCU throwing money at a coach who gets Tulane or UCF or ECU to the Tournament two years in a row.)

Quote:look at the coaches now in the AAC. Got Cronin, Marshall, and Sampson who got them to the tourney this year. Now have Hurley. Memphis just got Hardaway and his pipeline. If Uconn and Memphis are back to normal- wow. 5-6 tourney teams could easily start happening. And you still have a bit of a sleeper in Temple....

Not every good program makes the tournament every year. You've still got 3 schools at 150+ in the RPI, two of them 250+. If you have 6-7 programs with a pulse, you're looking at 3-4 bids. (Which is a whole lot better than 4 programs with a pulse and 2 bids, make no mistake).

RI should hire Iona coach. That guy should get a lot more hype than he gets.

(03-22-2018 11:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Not every good program makes the tournament every year. You've still got 3 schools at 150+ in the RPI, two of them 250+. If you have 6-7 programs with a pulse, you're looking at 3-4 bids. (Which is a whole lot better than 4 programs with a pulse and 2 bids, make no mistake).

This year the league had 5 KP top 100 teams, and got 3 bids- all top 6 seeds. If you add 2 more teams with a pulse(so now 7 teams with a pulse out of the 12), that totally elevates everything... It's possible to have 7 teams with a pulse and 6 of them getting in. It all depends on who did what in the OOC schedule.

Also, having 3 schools at 150+ in RPI is pretty much equal to a round robin conference having 2 schools at 150+. Because your top teams won't have to play those other schools 2x.

(03-22-2018 08:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  And you still have a bit of a sleeper in Temple....

Frannie's a legend. He really could go anywhere anytime. He's a Philly guy. He probably would have stayed at Penn had their (former?) AD not been such a dink.

Some guys know just know the higher ed culture enough to realize what works and what doesn't. For Hurley, I doubt it's what URI can do or can't; we know you don't have to be a major to get to a championship game. I really do think, that for Hurley, with his team graduating out, the next couple of seasons may look like seasons before this and the last one; ton of potential, but too rough around the edges. It wouldn't surprise me if the team wouldn't see the tournament even with this new contract, and THAT's where things get ugly.

It's a good time to go for him. It's nothing about URI. I think it's more on him as a coach. Good name, and potential...I don't think he's that great. His teams seem to abandon discipline and form way too many times. He'll get better guys at UConn no doubt...he's still got to keep their heads in the games, though.

It's also a little safer at UConn. You never want to be the guy after THE guy, and now Hurley doesn't have to deal with that. Sure, folks will still measure him to Calhoun...he doesn't have to worry about that as much as his now predecessor did (and really, if that isn't GHT about how much it sucks being the guy after a legend, add UConn to that list).

Conference affiliation determining the value of jobs is an incredible generalization. For the AAC, UConn is a more attractive job than Penn State, despite PSU getting nearly 40x the amount of TV money annually and being in an infinitely more prestigious conference. Wichita State, IMO, is a much for attractive job than say a Nebraska, due to its funding, fan support and tradition. However, I would argue that places like ECU and Tulane are not more attractive than places like VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island, Saint Louis or a few other A-10 jobs. The history, tradition and resources at a number of those programs are higher than the bottom of the AAC.

Rhode Island is a pretty attractive men's basketball job, especially considering the resources it was willing to put in to keep Hurley (and for potentially for another candidate). It'll be interesting to see where they go with their next hire.

(03-22-2018 12:55 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It's also a little safer at UConn. You never want to be the guy after THE guy, and now Hurley doesn't have to deal with that. Sure, folks will still measure him to Calhoun...he doesn't have to worry about that as much as his now predecessor did (and really, if that isn't GHT about how much it sucks being the guy after a legend, add UConn to that list).

This is an incredibly strong point. Craig Esherick (Georgetown), Bill Guthridge (UNC), Mike Davis (Indiana), Kevin Ollie (UConn), Gene Bartow (UCLA), among many others, were put in impossible position of following a legend and facing the challenging task of maintaining the prior level of success. While I think all did remarkably well considering such conditions, none lasted very long in the role. Louisville will face this. Syracuse, UNC and Duke will one day in the next few years face this.

You almost require a "transition" coach in order to effectively keep the program's high success rate.

Wonder what ESPN's policy is on promoting current content providers to rival networks?

Dick Vitale
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Yes step 1 @UConnMBB s made superb hire in DANNY HURLEY now school needs step 2 / get into @BIGEAST / go independent in football

(03-22-2018 01:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Conference affiliation determining the value of jobs is an incredible generalization. For the AAC, UConn is a more attractive job than Penn State, despite PSU getting nearly 40x the amount of TV money annually and being in an infinitely more prestigious conference. Wichita State, IMO, is a much for attractive job than say a Nebraska, due to its funding, fan support and tradition.

No, but Wichita STate in the AAC is a more attractive job than WIchita STate stranded in the MVC. Rutgers basketball in the Big Ten is a much more attractive job than Rutgers basketball stuck in the AAC, just as UConn basketball in the Big Ten would be a much more attractive job than UConn basketball in the AAC.

Quote:However, I would argue that places like ECU and Tulane are not more attractive than places like VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island, Saint Louis or a few other A-10 jobs. The history, tradition and resources at a number of those programs are higher than the bottom of the AAC.

VCU, DAyton, SLU are serious basketball programs though. (Looking at resources, potential and fanbase for SLU). It's not VCU vs ECU, the relevant metric is ECU vs George Mason, or ECU vs Davidson, or Tulane vs George Washington.

Off the top of my head, lining up AAC vs A-10 for a challenge.

UConn vs VCU. Advantage AAC.
Memphis vs Dayton. Advantage AAC.
Cincinatti vs Saint Louis.

And looking at the bottom, Fordham, Duquesene, Lasalle vs Tulane, ECU, USF. The AAC schools at least have money if they ever decide to spend it on men's basketball.

So TLDR, top of AAC > top of A-10 > bottom of AAC > bottom of A-10, for basketball coaching jobs.

(03-22-2018 01:35 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Wonder what ESPN's policy is on promoting current content providers to rival networks?

Dick Vitale
@DickieV

Yes step 1 @UConnMBB s made superb hire in DANNY HURLEY now school needs step 2 / get into @BIGEAST / go independent in football

If they go independent in football, guess who might pick up that contract? Not necessarily putting over a rival...

(03-22-2018 01:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 01:15 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Conference affiliation determining the value of jobs is an incredible generalization. For the AAC, UConn is a more attractive job than Penn State, despite PSU getting nearly 40x the amount of TV money annually and being in an infinitely more prestigious conference. Wichita State, IMO, is a much for attractive job than say a Nebraska, due to its funding, fan support and tradition.

No, but Wichita STate in the AAC is a more attractive job than WIchita STate stranded in the MVC. Rutgers basketball in the Big Ten is a much more attractive job than Rutgers basketball stuck in the AAC, just as UConn basketball in the Big Ten would be a much more attractive job than UConn basketball in the AAC.

Quote:However, I would argue that places like ECU and Tulane are not more attractive than places like VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island, Saint Louis or a few other A-10 jobs. The history, tradition and resources at a number of those programs are higher than the bottom of the AAC.

VCU, DAyton, SLU are serious basketball programs though. (Looking at resources, potential and fanbase for SLU). It's not VCU vs ECU, the relevant metric is ECU vs George Mason, or ECU vs Davidson, or Tulane vs George Washington.

Off the top of my head, lining up AAC vs A-10 for a challenge.

UConn vs VCU. Advantage AAC.
Memphis vs Dayton. Advantage AAC.
Cincinatti vs Saint Louis.

And looking at the bottom, Fordham, Duquesene, Lasalle vs Tulane, ECU, USF. The AAC schools at least have money if they ever decide to spend it on men's basketball.

So TLDR, top of AAC > top of A-10 > bottom of AAC > bottom of A-10, for basketball coaching jobs.

the top 5 would be for AAC- Cincy, Wichita, UConn, Memphis, and Houston now.
The top 5 would be for A10- VCU, Dayton, Saint Louis, Davidson, and Rhode Island

Very possible the AAC goes 5-0 in those 5 games. Then you have programs in the AAC like SMU, Temple, UCF who 2 of the 3 have made the tourney in the last few years and then UCF was in New York for the NIT. Who does the A10 have to compete with that?