Records 2005 - 2017

Will Muschamp (27-1)
Urban Meyer (114-5)
Neal Brown (21-1)
Nick Saban (100-6)
Chris Petersen (115-7)
Scott Satterfield (32-2)
PJ Fleck (31-2)
Dabo Swinney (77-5)
Jeff Tedford (52-5)
Bryan Harsin (42-4)

Source: https://twitter.com/SportSourceA/status/...6409423872

Isn't that sort of misleading? I mean a defense that gives up 28 plus points is going to have a hard time winning any game at all.

It goes to show that for good teams, ~30 points is your marker for winning games. In Georgia Southern's modern history, I think we've lost around 5 games (or less) when scoring 30 points.

It's not exactly misleading, it just reinforces what you see on the field. Sometimes statistics are in the "Thank you Captain Obvious" category, but it just means the correlation is extremely strong.

A couple that I like looking at is scoring margin and YPP differential.

We have lost only a few games when we get to a +18 point scoring margin on our opponents and are like 160-6 when +1.5 YPP or better. That last one is why I was ready to jump off the top of the stadium last year, because we lost the YPP battle in pretty much every game and ended up -1.8 YPP on the year.....which is our worst performance ever in the modern era. It was a mess.

Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

No one is going to have a terrible record, sure. But when you look at what Brown and Satterfield have done losing only a few games after 28pts, that's remarkable, and speaks to solid defense. You let Troy score 28 points, Vic Koenning is not letting you hang around. It's over. There are lots of teams in the league that score 28 points and their fans say "here we go..." because they know their defense is more than capable making it a 52-45 shootout.

The one loss for Troy after 28 is APP in 2015. And its one of my favorite Troy games, despite losing. It was a signal to the world that Troy was back.

(03-21-2018 10:51 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Isn't that sort of misleading? I mean a defense that gives up 28 plus points is going to have a hard time winning any game at all.

The actual take should be:

Coaches who can score points but haven't forgotten the need for defense.

If you are racking up 28 or more points and losing your defense has problems.

(03-22-2018 08:00 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

No one is going to have a terrible record, sure. But when you look at what Brown and Satterfield have done losing only a few games after 28pts, that's remarkable, and speaks to solid defense. You let Troy score 28 points, Vic Koenning is not letting you hang around. It's over. There are lots of teams in the league that score 28 points and their fans say "here we go..." because they know their defense is more than capable making it a 52-45 shootout.

The one loss for Troy after 28 is APP in 2015. And its one of my favorite Troy games, despite losing. It was a signal to the world that Troy was back.

Honestly, I still don't see any use for these statistics. If you want a measure of defense it's better to use total defense or defensive yards per play or something like that.

If you want a measure of being able to hold onto a lead it doesn't make sense to count games where you win by 30+ points.

(03-22-2018 08:26 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:51 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Isn't that sort of misleading? I mean a defense that gives up 28 plus points is going to have a hard time winning any game at all.

The actual take should be:

Coaches who can score points but haven't forgotten the need for defense.

If you are racking up 28 or more points and losing your defense has problems.

That sounds like ULM last year; lots of points scored but even more given up.

Edit: 33.9 points scored/game, 41 points given up/game

(03-22-2018 09:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:00 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

No one is going to have a terrible record, sure. But when you look at what Brown and Satterfield have done losing only a few games after 28pts, that's remarkable, and speaks to solid defense. You let Troy score 28 points, Vic Koenning is not letting you hang around. It's over. There are lots of teams in the league that score 28 points and their fans say "here we go..." because they know their defense is more than capable making it a 52-45 shootout.

The one loss for Troy after 28 is APP in 2015. And its one of my favorite Troy games, despite losing. It was a signal to the world that Troy was back.

Honestly, I still don't see any use for these statistics. If you want a measure of defense it's better to use total defense or defensive yards per play or something like that.

If you want a measure of being able to hold onto a lead it doesn't make sense to count games where you win by 30+ points.

Ok, what is everyone's records in the league after 28+? I'd imagine there are a lot of 16-8, 21-6, etc. Troy and APP are a combined 53-3. That's pretty good anyway you shake it.

Since those are the only two SBC head coaches listed, which do you think also have had the best statistical defenses over that period of time? Coincidence??

I also think total defense is the most trash statistic of all time. There are lots of teams that give up yards between the 20s, but nothing in the red zone. The same is true for offenses that can move the ball but can't score.

(03-22-2018 09:33 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:00 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

No one is going to have a terrible record, sure. But when you look at what Brown and Satterfield have done losing only a few games after 28pts, that's remarkable, and speaks to solid defense. You let Troy score 28 points, Vic Koenning is not letting you hang around. It's over. There are lots of teams in the league that score 28 points and their fans say "here we go..." because they know their defense is more than capable making it a 52-45 shootout.

The one loss for Troy after 28 is APP in 2015. And its one of my favorite Troy games, despite losing. It was a signal to the world that Troy was back.

Honestly, I still don't see any use for these statistics. If you want a measure of defense it's better to use total defense or defensive yards per play or something like that.

If you want a measure of being able to hold onto a lead it doesn't make sense to count games where you win by 30+ points.

Ok, what is everyone's records in the league after 28+? I'd imagine there are a lot of 16-8, 21-6, etc. Troy and APP are a combined 53-3. That's pretty good anyway you shake it.

Since those are the only two SBC head coaches listed, which do you think also have had the best statistical defenses over that period of time? Coincidence??

I also think total defense is the most trash statistic of all time. There are lots of teams that give up yards between the 20s, but nothing in the red zone. The same is true for offenses that can move the ball but can't score.

Until this season, AState has a pretty amazing record when they scored at least 30. I remember that much.

(03-22-2018 10:04 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:33 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:15 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 08:00 AM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

No one is going to have a terrible record, sure. But when you look at what Brown and Satterfield have done losing only a few games after 28pts, that's remarkable, and speaks to solid defense. You let Troy score 28 points, Vic Koenning is not letting you hang around. It's over. There are lots of teams in the league that score 28 points and their fans say "here we go..." because they know their defense is more than capable making it a 52-45 shootout.

The one loss for Troy after 28 is APP in 2015. And its one of my favorite Troy games, despite losing. It was a signal to the world that Troy was back.

Honestly, I still don't see any use for these statistics. If you want a measure of defense it's better to use total defense or defensive yards per play or something like that.

If you want a measure of being able to hold onto a lead it doesn't make sense to count games where you win by 30+ points.

Ok, what is everyone's records in the league after 28+? I'd imagine there are a lot of 16-8, 21-6, etc. Troy and APP are a combined 53-3. That's pretty good anyway you shake it.

Since those are the only two SBC head coaches listed, which do you think also have had the best statistical defenses over that period of time? Coincidence??

I also think total defense is the most trash statistic of all time. There are lots of teams that give up yards between the 20s, but nothing in the red zone. The same is true for offenses that can move the ball but can't score.

Until this season, AState has a pretty amazing record when they scored at least 30. I remember that much.

Yeah man. The three of us are the best defenses statistically. Is there any question as to why we three have won titles over the last few years?

Since 2014, GS is 21-2 (0.913) when scoring 28+ points.

All-time (since 1982), we're 244-23 (0.914).

(03-22-2018 07:33 AM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Show me a winning coach with a poor record in games scoring 28+ points and I'll be surprised. Tyson Summers was 2-1 when scoring at least 28 points. Tim Stowers lost 2 games in six seasons scoring 28+ points and he got fired, too.

what about BRIAN VAN GORDER

Somewhere on that youtwitfacespace innernet thang the other day somebody called @SportSourceA said:

"FBS HCs you don't want to let score first (records '05-'17): Urban Meyer (101-5), Nick Saban (105-8), Chris Petersen (100-10), Jimbo Fisher (61-7), Scott Satterfield (23-3), Jeff Brohm (29-4), Gary Patterson (86-13), Lane Kiffin (43-7), Ken Niumatalolo (54-9). & Tom Herman (23-4)"

Kind of funny looking at USA because scoring 28 was hard to do last year. Since 2013 when we were full FBS, Joey Jones scored 28 or more 8, 5, 5, 6, and 2 times each year respectively. Our record:

2013 6-2
2014 3-2
2015 4-1
2016 4-2
2017 2-0
Total 19-7 (73%)