(03-22-2018 03:57 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  So we are all in agreement then, screw Kentucky, go KSU ?

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Go KSU!!!!!!!

(03-22-2018 03:57 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  So we are all in agreement then, screw Kentucky, go KSU ?

We’re taking credit if KSU pulls it out.

It’s working!

(03-22-2018 10:25 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We’re taking credit if KSU pulls it out.

It’s working!

I think the refs will rake KSU over the coals before its all said and done. Hopefully they can survive.

(03-22-2018 10:32 PM)Wheatshock Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 10:25 PM)tigerjamesc Wrote:  We’re taking credit if KSU pulls it out.

It’s working!

I think the refs will rake KSU over the coals before its all said and done. Hopefully they can survive.

3rd KSU player to foul out. And that last call was not correct.

1:00 left....

Hahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahah

Kentucky can suck it!

And KSU did it mostly without their best player.

When Kentucky loses, we all win.

For a good time visit...

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/forum...-forum.26/

(03-22-2018 11:14 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  When Kentucky loses, we all win.

Amen. What a finish!

(03-22-2018 11:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 11:14 PM)Psicosis Wrote:  When Kentucky loses, we all win.

Amen. What a finish!

That’s what she said

(03-21-2018 10:26 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:41 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:15 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:42 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  You're not in Conference USA anymore. Back when Cheatin' Cal was just rollin' balls out for wins, your conference was several levels lower than the Missouri Valley...

you should really stay away from the drugs...

lets take a look at the seeds Memphis and cheatin' Cal got out of little ole CUSA:

2006: #1 seed
2007: #2 seed
2008: #1 seed
2009: #2 seed

now lets take a look at the seeds WSU got out of the mighty MVC:

2013: #9 seed
2014: #1 seed
2015: #7 seed
2016: #11 seed (first four)
2017: #10 seed

in 5 full seasons WSU was able to get one good seeding out of the MVC lol...I'm not impressed.

OK so we would've won by 10 instead of 20 most games. Even then we took our foot off the gas and coasted.

I mean you could also list the other seeds we obtained to be fair. Let's do both programs since 2000.

Memphis:

2000- No NCAA
2001- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2002- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2003- #7 Seed
2004- #7 Seed
2005- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2006- #1 Seed
2007- #2 Seed
2008- #1 Seed
2009- #2 Seed
2010- No NCAA
2011- #12 Seed
2012- #8 Seed
2013- #6 Seed
2014- #8 Seed
2015- No NCAA
2016- No NCAA
2017- No NCAA
2018- No NCAA

Wichita State:

2000 No NCAA
2001 No NCAA
2002 No NCAA
2003 No NCAA
2004 No NCAA
2005 No NCAA
2006 #7 Seed
2007 No NCAA
2008 No NCAA
2009 No NCAA
2010 No NCAA
2011 No NCAA
2012 #5 Seed
2013 #9 Seed
2014 #1 Seed
2015 #7 Seed
2016 #11 Seed
2017 #10 Seed
2018 # 4 Seed

Wanna do all-time draft picks too since that's a big talking point for them?

Memphis: 35

Wichita State: 17

Sweet 16?

Memphis: 11

Wichita State: 6

Elite 8?

Memphis 8

Wichita State 4

Final 4?

Memphis 3

Wichita State 2

NCAA Champ games?

Memphis 2

Wichita State 0


Conference Championships?

Memphis 18

Wichita State 13

All Time NCAA Appearances?

Memphis 26

Wichita State 15

So yes, the last few years you have been a better overall program, but nothing compared all time. UConn and Cincy put us both to shame. Since you guys came to the AAC you have acted like you were the best program in the history of college basketball and you're not. You have 4 Programs in the AAC alone that are better than yours. You are having a good run. Keeping your coach and sustaining it is the key. Just enjoy the ride because it can end at anytime. Just like a Program that has been struggling can make the right hire and get back on track.

That's all well and good but the original claim that Cal just rolled the ball out to his 4 and 5 stars and let them go to work required some context which I unselfishly provided.

Back when Cheatin' Cal was "rollin' balls out" and murdering his conference mates, CUSA was to the MoValley like the MoValley was to the ACC. It was a giant amongst babies. While there's no argument that your teams were strong, and your players flashy, you likely benefited a tad from pummeling them by 40 every night when it came to seeding time.

The point is; even if Cal came back to Memphis, loading rosters with NBA players, there would be no "rollin' out the ball" and collecting easy wins in this league. The AAC is orders of magnitude better than CUSA - as was the MVC back in the day.


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Memphis had a top 50 schedule the out of the 4 years you list

Two years it was 31 only two spots lower than WSU this year

(03-22-2018 07:43 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:28 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:29 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. At least they have that going for them.

We want your recruit....we take your recruit...got it?

Had to house him since 6th grade to steal him. What little kid does penny have lined up to bring in his house to keep that going ?

Or maybe he just helped out a kid that needed a stable environment.

He doesn’t need to “House” anybody in Memphis. He’s Penny. He’s Memphis. He’s looked up too. Memphis is a basketball hotbed.....always has been, always will be.

This is what I think is being overlooked or most likely misunderstood. There have been many articles over the years showing Memphis as the top or near the top in D1 player production per capita. That's not likely to change (on average) in the near future though year to year classes will fluctuate - down years mixed in. Many teams have done well with Memphis players over the years. There's plenty to go around. Point being, crowds will come back and be patient as long as local guys are at least in the mix. It's not necessary to get every single D1 player or foresake national recruiting. Obviously, teams are successful w/o Memphis players. However, it's probably the biggest contributing factor in Memphis being able to achieve success over time. It's easier when you don't have to go too far out your back door to get quality players. Now, when those players no longer even consider staying home, it's a problem on many levels.

(03-23-2018 09:07 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  Memphis had a top 50 schedule the out of the 4 years you list

Two years it was 31 only two spots lower than WSU this year

They'll be chiming in w/ some silly spin on that shortly.

(03-23-2018 09:22 AM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:43 AM)tnzazz Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 07:28 AM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 11:29 PM)TigerSeth Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  Memphis fans are funny. At least they have that going for them.

We want your recruit....we take your recruit...got it?

Had to house him since 6th grade to steal him. What little kid does penny have lined up to bring in his house to keep that going ?

Or maybe he just helped out a kid that needed a stable environment.

He doesn’t need to “House” anybody in Memphis. He’s Penny. He’s Memphis. He’s looked up too. Memphis is a basketball hotbed.....always has been, always will be.

This is what I think is being overlooked or most likely misunderstood. There have been many articles over the years showing Memphis as the top or near the top in D1 player production per capita. That's not likely to change (on average) in the near future though year to year classes will fluctuate - down years mixed in. Many teams have done well with Memphis players over the years. There's plenty to go around. Point being, crowds will come back and be patient as long as local guys are at least in the mix. It's not necessary to get every single D1 player or foresake national recruiting. Obviously, teams are successful w/o Memphis players. However, it's probably the biggest contributing factor in Memphis being able to achieve success over time. It's easier when you don't have to go too far out your back door to get quality players. Now, when those players no longer even consider staying home, it's a problem on many levels.

Well said. It is one big reason Penny has a head start on the other NBA stars who tried college coaching without great results. Not saying it's a guarantee, but it is definitely a significant advantage.

Atlanta is another BB recruiting hotbed. I attended a HS shootout challenge a few years ago, where different teams from Memphis and Atlanta played each other, much like the college conference challenges.

Atlanta had some great teams, but Memphis won the great majority of the games.

For decades, this has always been a reason Memphis State/U of M has been prominent nationally, going back to at least Finch and Robinson in 1969.

(03-23-2018 09:07 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:26 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:41 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:15 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you should really stay away from the drugs...

lets take a look at the seeds Memphis and cheatin' Cal got out of little ole CUSA:

2006: #1 seed
2007: #2 seed
2008: #1 seed
2009: #2 seed

now lets take a look at the seeds WSU got out of the mighty MVC:

2013: #9 seed
2014: #1 seed
2015: #7 seed
2016: #11 seed (first four)
2017: #10 seed

in 5 full seasons WSU was able to get one good seeding out of the MVC lol...I'm not impressed.

OK so we would've won by 10 instead of 20 most games. Even then we took our foot off the gas and coasted.

I mean you could also list the other seeds we obtained to be fair. Let's do both programs since 2000.

Memphis:

2000- No NCAA
2001- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2002- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2003- #7 Seed
2004- #7 Seed
2005- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2006- #1 Seed
2007- #2 Seed
2008- #1 Seed
2009- #2 Seed
2010- No NCAA
2011- #12 Seed
2012- #8 Seed
2013- #6 Seed
2014- #8 Seed
2015- No NCAA
2016- No NCAA
2017- No NCAA
2018- No NCAA

Wichita State:

2000 No NCAA
2001 No NCAA
2002 No NCAA
2003 No NCAA
2004 No NCAA
2005 No NCAA
2006 #7 Seed
2007 No NCAA
2008 No NCAA
2009 No NCAA
2010 No NCAA
2011 No NCAA
2012 #5 Seed
2013 #9 Seed
2014 #1 Seed
2015 #7 Seed
2016 #11 Seed
2017 #10 Seed
2018 # 4 Seed

Wanna do all-time draft picks too since that's a big talking point for them?

Memphis: 35

Wichita State: 17

Sweet 16?

Memphis: 11

Wichita State: 6

Elite 8?

Memphis 8

Wichita State 4

Final 4?

Memphis 3

Wichita State 2

NCAA Champ games?

Memphis 2

Wichita State 0


Conference Championships?

Memphis 18

Wichita State 13

All Time NCAA Appearances?

Memphis 26

Wichita State 15

So yes, the last few years you have been a better overall program, but nothing compared all time. UConn and Cincy put us both to shame. Since you guys came to the AAC you have acted like you were the best program in the history of college basketball and you're not. You have 4 Programs in the AAC alone that are better than yours. You are having a good run. Keeping your coach and sustaining it is the key. Just enjoy the ride because it can end at anytime. Just like a Program that has been struggling can make the right hire and get back on track.

That's all well and good but the original claim that Cal just rolled the ball out to his 4 and 5 stars and let them go to work required some context which I unselfishly provided.

Back when Cheatin' Cal was "rollin' balls out" and murdering his conference mates, CUSA was to the MoValley like the MoValley was to the ACC. It was a giant amongst babies. While there's no argument that your teams were strong, and your players flashy, you likely benefited a tad from pummeling them by 40 every night when it came to seeding time.

The point is; even if Cal came back to Memphis, loading rosters with NBA players, there would be no "rollin' out the ball" and collecting easy wins in this league. The AAC is orders of magnitude better than CUSA - as was the MVC back in the day.


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Memphis had a top 50 schedule the out of the 4 years you list

Two years it was 31 only two spots lower than WSU this year

Yeah, straight conference comparisons may scratch the surface, but don't tell the whole story. I thought about looking up and posting OOC, but decided it was too much work -lol. During that time frame, Calipari pushed for scheduling the top teams twice in order to bolster RPI and minimize the effect of playing the bottom of the conference. I remember UTEP, SMU and UAB being involved, but can't remember who else. Anyway, it's interesting to note that they are again considering some version of the "Calipari rule" to help top tier team RPIs.

(03-22-2018 12:03 AM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 10:26 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:41 PM)Tigermaniac Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:15 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you should really stay away from the drugs...

lets take a look at the seeds Memphis and cheatin' Cal got out of little ole CUSA:

2006: #1 seed
2007: #2 seed
2008: #1 seed
2009: #2 seed

now lets take a look at the seeds WSU got out of the mighty MVC:

2013: #9 seed
2014: #1 seed
2015: #7 seed
2016: #11 seed (first four)
2017: #10 seed

in 5 full seasons WSU was able to get one good seeding out of the MVC lol...I'm not impressed.

OK so we would've won by 10 instead of 20 most games. Even then we took our foot off the gas and coasted.

I mean you could also list the other seeds we obtained to be fair. Let's do both programs since 2000.

Memphis:

2000- No NCAA
2001- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2002- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2003- #7 Seed
2004- #7 Seed
2005- No NCAA (Not counting NIT)
2006- #1 Seed
2007- #2 Seed
2008- #1 Seed
2009- #2 Seed
2010- No NCAA
2011- #12 Seed
2012- #8 Seed
2013- #6 Seed
2014- #8 Seed
2015- No NCAA
2016- No NCAA
2017- No NCAA
2018- No NCAA

Wichita State:

2000 No NCAA
2001 No NCAA
2002 No NCAA
2003 No NCAA
2004 No NCAA
2005 No NCAA
2006 #7 Seed
2007 No NCAA
2008 No NCAA
2009 No NCAA
2010 No NCAA
2011 No NCAA
2012 #5 Seed
2013 #9 Seed
2014 #1 Seed
2015 #7 Seed
2016 #11 Seed
2017 #10 Seed
2018 # 4 Seed

Wanna do all-time draft picks too since that's a big talking point for them?

Memphis: 35

Wichita State: 17

Sweet 16?

Memphis: 11

Wichita State: 6

Elite 8?

Memphis 8

Wichita State 4

Final 4?

Memphis 3

Wichita State 2

NCAA Champ games?

Memphis 2

Wichita State 0


Conference Championships?

Memphis 18

Wichita State 13

All Time NCAA Appearances?

Memphis 26

Wichita State 15

So yes, the last few years you have been a better overall program, but nothing compared all time. UConn and Cincy put us both to shame. Since you guys came to the AAC you have acted like you were the best program in the history of college basketball and you're not. You have 4 Programs in the AAC alone that are better than yours. You are having a good run. Keeping your coach and sustaining it is the key. Just enjoy the ride because it can end at anytime. Just like a Program that has been struggling can make the right hire and get back on track.

That's all well and good but the original claim that Cal just rolled the ball out to his 4 and 5 stars and let them go to work required some context which I unselfishly provided.

Back when Cheatin' Cal was "rollin' balls out" and murdering his conference mates, CUSA was to the MoValley like the MoValley was to the ACC. It was a giant amongst babies. While there's no argument that your teams were strong, and your players flashy, you likely benefited a tad from pummeling them by 40 every night when it came to seeding time.

The point is; even if Cal came back to Memphis, loading rosters with NBA players, there would be no "rollin' out the ball" and collecting easy wins in this league. The AAC is orders of magnitude better than CUSA - as was the MVC back in the day.


T


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No the MVC was not head and shoulders above C-USA...

2005-2006

C-USA 2 bids
MVC 4 bids

2006-2007

C-USA 1 Bid
MVC 2 bids (Only because Creighton won the Conference Tourney or it would have been 1).

2007-2008

C-USA 1 Bid
MVC 1 bid

2008-2009

C-USA 1 Bid
MVC 1 Bid

So in 2005-2006 the MVC was solid with 4 bids. After that it's a wash. So if you wanna claim 1 season sure but it doesn't move the needle much.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dribble_drive_motion

That's the system he runs that I linked you (AKA NOT rolling the ball out). I do agree that we out-talented C-USA. However, we proved it in the tournament time after time. We didn't get high seeds just because we crushed C-USA.

We got high seeds because of OOC games as well.

W Milwaukee (NCAA Team) 79-52
W @ #19 Alabama 87-76
W #16 UCLA 88-80
L #1 Duke 70-67
W @ Cincy 91-81
W @ Providence 97-89
W #8 Gonzaga 83-72
W Purdue 90-70
W Tennessee 88-79
W #25 UAB x2
W Jackson State (NCAA Tourney Team) 111-69
W Oklahoma 77-65
W #20 Kentucky 80-63
W Cincy 88-55
@ Gonzaga 78-77
W Oklahoma 63-53
W UConn 81-70
W Austin Peay (NCAA Tournament Team) 104-82
W #24 USC 62-58
W @ Cincy 79-69
W #5 Georgetown 85-71
W #17 Arizona 76-63
W Siena (NCAA Tournament Team) 102-58

I didn't even feel like listing more games. You should get the point. Cal was a master at finding the lower level teams who were capable of winning their conference and getting them on the schedule. He was a master at working the RPI. He also, generally beat most of the top teams we faced while he was at Memphis.

Feel free to debate but there really isn't much to debate. These are the facts, not even my own work. I just copied it all.

I had already posted the majority of it Gulf. It got ignored and buried as quickly as possible. Pretty good for "rolling the ball out" I'd say.

So you did. I zipped right by it too. Mike Miller was on radio today saying he's definitely interested, but it has to be the right fit. He doesn't want Penny doing anything he doesn't want to do. It'll work itself out. If it's meant to be it'll be.

(03-21-2018 04:10 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 01:02 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:22 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:20 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 06:18 AM)AndShock Wrote:  Why doesn’t Parrish just become Memphis’s beat writer?

I think he used to be. As did Dan Wolken. We've had some good writers. Idiots. But talented with words.

Did the Commercial-Appeal ever give him a column? It could have been called Wolken in Memphis.

Lol, he rose to the #2 columnist at the CA, but knew Geoff Calkins wasn't going anywhere and moved on. It's worked out well for him. Many Tiger fans have a love/hate view of him. The story goes, as some here prolly can recall first hand, that at one point his hatred of John Calipari ran so deep that he high fived people court side when Memphis lost in the champ game.

Fellow Tiger fans please don't take the bait of those trying to derail... pretty please. Believe it or not, there are folks from other teams/conferences interested in this hire and it'd be nice to have one thread with useful info not go down the drain.

It would be nice if the mods would notice that the same 3 posters derail every single thread into a smack thread or take it off topic when everyone else just wants to talk about sports.

Agree 100%. Hard to find anything useful by the time you sift through all the trash. And yes, I’m fully aware where much of it starts.

I'm confused, is this thread still about Penny Hardaway ?