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EMU cuts four sports
Wrestling, Women's Tennis, Men's Swimming and Diving. Expect savings of about $2.4 million.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 07:55 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Wrestling, Women's Tennis, Men's Swimming and Diving. Expect savings of about $2.4 million.

Sad.

EMU's swim & dive program, in particular, was strong. Nice 50 meter facility, too.
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(03-20-2018 07:55 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Wrestling, Women's Tennis, Men's Swimming and Diving. Expect savings of about $2.4 million.

FYI

I heard from a good source over the weekend that Hillsdale is strongly considering adding soccer and lacrosse to its athletic programs.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
Didn't EMU have the most athletic programs in the MAC? Not sure, but I think I read that somewhere.

Where's Barna when we need him?
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 08:57 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 07:55 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Wrestling, Women's Tennis, Men's Swimming and Diving. Expect savings of about $2.4 million.

FYI

I heard from a good source over the weekend that Hillsdale is strongly considering adding soccer and lacrosse to its athletic programs.

Good news, they need more collegiate sports to fill-out their offerings. They may also be looking at adding women's golf, men's swimming/diving and even Rugby.

Hillsdale gives about 90% of their students scholarships which pay about half the cost of their college. They should expect some quid pro quo in that many of those students have athletic skill and participate in the schools programs. That's only fair. You don't want just a bunch of coke-bottom glasses, nerd types attending their school-they want them to be well rounded.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.
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Dear broncofan1,
You are right. We had twenty-one men's and women's sports, most in the MAC. Now we are close to everyone else with seventeen.
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(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

Darn near won what? Lol.

Please stop with the delusion. WMU was competitive to a point. Never in position to win the game.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 12:02 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

Darn near won what? Lol.

Please stop with the delusion. WMU was competitive to a point. Never in position to win the game.

One possession game, late in the 4th quarter. Yes, DARN NEAR WON IT.

What were you drinking that day to cloud reality? LoL!
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Would love to hear the reasons for those specific programs getting cut (besides budgetary).
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(03-20-2018 12:41 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  Would love to hear the reasons for those specific programs getting cut (besides budgetary).

Other than budgetary reasons, I doubt there were any.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

We may have no choice, that's the point I was trying to make.
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RE: EMU cuts four sports
(03-20-2018 02:21 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

We may have no choice, that's the point I was trying to make.

The football haters and academia have done a great job lying about the real numbers. Eliminating WMU football would more likely cost the University more $$$ than it would save.

At it's most basic level, our AD just broke down the actual numbers as he was addressing the 4 sports cuts. 4.1 million in football salaries and operating expenses, plus 2.8 million in scholly costs (which is really a faux number) = 6.9 million. Football generated 5 million in revenue in 2017, plus nearly a million in additional football specific donations. Add in another 500k from 30 walkons paying full price, and EMU was basically at break even. This was with only 5 home games, the last 2 which were crappy MACtion games on Tuesday and Thursday nights in November.

Any talk of any teams cutting football in the MAC to 'save $' is nonsense.
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(03-20-2018 03:30 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 02:21 PM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

We may have no choice, that's the point I was trying to make.

The football haters and academia have done a great job lying about the real numbers. Eliminating WMU football would more likely cost the University more $$$ than it would save.

At it's most basic level, our AD just broke down the actual numbers as he was addressing the 4 sports cuts. 4.1 million in football salaries and operating expenses, plus 2.8 million in scholly costs (which is really a faux number) = 6.9 million. Football generated 5 million in revenue in 2017, plus nearly a million in additional football specific donations. Add in another 500k from 30 walkons paying full price, and EMU was basically at break even. This was with only 5 home games, the last 2 which were crappy MACtion games on Tuesday and Thursday nights in November.

Any talk of any teams cutting football in the MAC to 'save $' is nonsense.

Did IQ's in this forum just drop 30 points overnight? I specifically noted the issues/concerns with closed head injuries (CTE) like concussions and two clowns skipped right over that and turned it into a business discussion-faux numbers and all. If CTE becomes a litigatable condition, those few million Dollars you're flapping your gums about will disappear like spilt ice cream on an asphalt driveway in August.

Speako da Anglais???
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If WMU drops Football during my lifetime I will kiss your azz on the Mall on Christmas Eve.

Doesn't Hillsdale have a forum-message board you can haunt?
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(03-20-2018 12:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 12:02 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

Darn near won what? Lol.

Please stop with the delusion. WMU was competitive to a point. Never in position to win the game.

One possession game, late in the 4th quarter. Yes, DARN NEAR WON IT.

What were you drinking that day to cloud reality? LoL!

I'm one possession away from winning the lottery too. But I dont chose to play. Like WMU there was never a chance. But keep spinning that yarn.
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(03-20-2018 12:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  One possession game, late in the 4th quarter. Yes, DARN NEAR WON IT.

What were you drinking that day to cloud reality? LoL!

What were YOU drinking that day?

We never led, were down by eight points on our last possession in 4th Quarter - meaning we would've had to score a TD and two-point conversion just to TIE it.

Final score was Wisky 24, Broncos 16.

So, no - we didn't "DARN NEAR WON IT."
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(03-20-2018 04:41 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 12:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 12:02 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 10:23 AM)GullLake Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 09:34 AM)BroncoPhilly Wrote:  The public universities who don't know how to budget money are receding in America. Private colleges who are tight with a Dollar are growing.

As far as athletics, with the implications of CTE head injuries I believe college football as we know it is on the wane. The cost of that sport along with concern about massive litigation over CTE will cause more and more university Athletic Departments to eliminate their programs. That's the elephant in the room in every Athletic Department in the country.

I love the game, but it's too costly to field competitive programs and the fear of massive legal settlements is on every Athletic Directors mind. Unless there are some technical advancements in the offing that can address the impact injuries, I don't see Western having a football program in a decade. Maybe even sooner.

On the plus side, eliminating football would probably give Western a net $3-4 Million/year savings to sprinkle around the other athletic programs.

?!?!

WMU is NOT eliminating football.

The program was in an elite New Year's Day bowl game a year ago - darn near won it - and is not going anywhere.

Darn near won what? Lol.

Please stop with the delusion. WMU was competitive to a point. Never in position to win the game.

One possession game, late in the 4th quarter. Yes, DARN NEAR WON IT.

What were you drinking that day to cloud reality? LoL!

I'm one possession away from winning the lottery too. But I dont chose to play. Like WMU there was never a chance. But keep spinning that yarn.

WMU scored a TD to make it an 8 pt game with 3:30 remaining. Was moving the ball well.

Never a chance?

Had it not been for a career performance by a previously unknown Wisky TE, WMU likely would have won.

That said, it did not, and Wisconsin was the better team. However, just like when a basketball game determined by only three points (one possession), WMU "darned near won" the Cotton Bowl.

Sorry you are ashamed of our team's performance in that game.
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(03-20-2018 05:03 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  
(03-20-2018 12:17 PM)GullLake Wrote:  One possession game, late in the 4th quarter. Yes, DARN NEAR WON IT.

What were you drinking that day to cloud reality? LoL!

What were YOU drinking that day?

We never led, were down by eight points on our last possession in 4th Quarter - meaning we would've had to score a TD and two-point conversion just to TIE it.

Final score was Wisky 24, Broncos 16.

So, no - we didn't "DARN NEAR WON IT."

Arcadia, Sky High Rye. And it was gooood!

Don't let your extreme bias against our previous coaching staff cloud your otherwise very good judgement.

Wisconsin was the better team, yes, but when any team is one possession away, late in the 4th quarter, and is capable of explosive scoring plays in all three phases of the game, yes, it "darn near won it."

I was proud to be a Bronco that day. Much more so than when our Broncos visited West Virginia during the Rich-Rod era, or when they played Rice in Texas.
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