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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-21-2018 07:59 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
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(03-21-2018 03:41 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  You're basically arguing about if it's better to rent a house or build one that you can leave to your children, and their children, and their children.

Nope. I'm saying once Temple fans find out what they are buying and what it will cost them, they will not support the Football Program. My concern is about my alma mater's continued Football. There is no additional parking and Temple University is bordered by some of the most dangerous zip codes in the State. Our President believes people are going to take public transportation through these neighborhoods to come to games. Curious, will visiting AAC fans do this ?

Currently, the two high definition video boards and their subsequent improvement will cost about as much as the money Temple intends to use to build their whole stadium.

Just yesterday, someone asked on Temple's boards "Are they planning to replace the seats with bench seating?" Other's believe that Temple is building a "state of the art" miniature Linc.

They have no idea how generic this facility will be.....and no one comes to the beautiful basketball arena we have right next door


So what you are essentially saying is your scared.

Again long term you can improve your own house as you see fit.

You didn't answer any of the legitimate points I raised about the continued leasing strategy all of which could kill your program. All of which are more likely than Temple building a stadium no one will come to. The likelyhood is higher that the stadium and expanded campus presence will increase attendance and gentrfy the area. Which is why the stompers are there. They share the exact opposite view from you.

TU4ever, nailed it,Kenney is scared. And he will say anything to make his point. He will say in one post that Temples neighbors are terrible criminal thugs; in another he will say we should listen to their pleas. He will rail against taxpayers money for the stadium while not acknowledging the taxpayer dollars used for the Linc. He will claim that we need the Linc to fill up for big games yet decry the terrible Temple alumni who don’t show up. He’s scared to lose his tailgating spot his seat his easy access to highways. He’s scared that the new stadium is not for him but for the future of the program and building our fan base on campus.

How do you think I feel guys ? He called me a stupid redneck. Oh, I'm sorry. A stupid hillbilly. Some difference, huh ? lol....
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-21-2018 06:51 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 04:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  So what you are essentially saying is your scared.

Again long term you can improve your own house as you see fit.

You didn't answer any of the legitimate points I raised about the continued leasing strategy all of which could kill your program. All of which are more likely than Temple building a stadium no one will come to. The likelyhood is higher that the stadium and expanded campus presence will increase attendance and gentrfy the area. Which is why the stompers are there. They share the exact opposite view from you.

Yes, I am having seen Temple fans in action. Of course, you are arguing with me about a place I was born and raised and I wonder if you have ever step foot in Philadelphia.

A football stadium will not gentrify North Philadelphia. If stadiums did, they would be popping up all over hardscrabble neighborhoods all over the country. There is no need to have any further discussions. Lemme know when you train over to the Broad St iline and subway up, I;ll meet you, say Lehigh Station and take you for a tour of the gentry.

Tulsa's downtown and the BOK would like a word with you. As would the driller's stadium oneok field.

Several cities have moved stadiums and arenas downtown and seen a resurgence in that area. The new LA chargers stadium is expected to do it. Bricktown in OKC was built around their new arena. It usually takes a little while but generally restaurants and bars pop up around stadium areas along with merchandise vendors who can pick up extra traffic on game days.

Temple's is suppose to be multi use so I'm quite sure it will have a positive impact on the economy that will begin with construction and be maintained by events and games, as well as the campus activity that will be drawn there.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-20-2018 01:11 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Sadly, you are like so many who have no handle on the economics of the OCS. I blame yourselves for not exploring it and the Temple Administration that is so very happy to keep their constituency completely in the dark. Because they have provided no concrete numbers about what it will cost, how it will be financed or how they will pay the debt, Ive used my own connections to determine Temple will have to offer a minimum of a 75 million dollar bond to build this little rat nest.

Paying off a 75 million dollar bond over 30 years > 1 million per annum lease.

Operating costs will incerase significantly becaue Temple is advertising the facility as multi use as opposed to 6 times per year.....more money that Temple people wont pay

These figures are precisely why Theobold needed to extrapolate the 3 million dollar figure plus an upfront payment of 12 million though those numbers have never been confirmed or even explored, debated or negotiated by any political, Eagle Org or Temple entity.

It is a disgrace what a few unscrupulous developers, board members and resume builders are getting away with but when you read the Temple fan rationale for building, like here, it demonstrates how dramatically simple it is to fool dopes.

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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-21-2018 08:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 06:51 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 04:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  So what you are essentially saying is your scared.

Again long term you can improve your own house as you see fit.

You didn't answer any of the legitimate points I raised about the continued leasing strategy all of which could kill your program. All of which are more likely than Temple building a stadium no one will come to. The likelyhood is higher that the stadium and expanded campus presence will increase attendance and gentrfy the area. Which is why the stompers are there. They share the exact opposite view from you.

Yes, I am having seen Temple fans in action. Of course, you are arguing with me about a place I was born and raised and I wonder if you have ever step foot in Philadelphia.

A football stadium will not gentrify North Philadelphia. If stadiums did, they would be popping up all over hardscrabble neighborhoods all over the country. There is no need to have any further discussions. Lemme know when you train over to the Broad St iline and subway up, I;ll meet you, say Lehigh Station and take you for a tour of the gentry.

Tulsa's downtown and the BOK would like a word with you. As would the driller's stadium oneok field.

Several cities have moved stadiums and arenas downtown and seen a resurgence in that area. The new LA chargers stadium is expected to do it. Bricktown in OKC was built around their new arena. It usually takes a little while but generally restaurants and bars pop up around stadium areas along with merchandise vendors who can pick up extra traffic on game days.

Temple's is suppose to be multi use so I'm quite sure it will have a positive impact on the economy that will begin with construction and be maintained by events and games, as well as the campus activity that will be drawn there.

The Temple situation is different in a few ways:

- Temple campus is not in downtown, its north of downtown, with no restaurants or tourist attractions.Meaning that restaurants and attractions wont put money there.

- The community around Temple has been a disaster since the mid 60's. Suburban flight hit the area, and a 4x4 mile of row houses were left abandoned or almost valueless. Everytime developers offer to revitalize the neighborhood, the community pushes them away, and chooses to stay a poverty ridden neighborhood.

- The city council reps from north Philly always have the loudest voice in city hall. They lead protests in city hall chambers and have sit ins to protest anyone "disrupting their community".

The only thing that works is $$$ handed out to residents. And that is what will work again this time.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
This situation with Temple has never happened with any projects that I know of in Philly. When we decided to build the bball arena the local pol gave us a number for a pet project of his of $5 million. It was a take it or leave it offer. It was very cut and dry. Temple tried not to pay but realized they had no choice.

In this situation with the football stadium there is no number or pet project in return for the stadium. Also bball never had a group of Stadium Stompers drawing hundreds to their cause. 19 activist groups in all have come out against the stadium. In reality against Temple and Temple football.

They would never go up against the Eagles or Phillies. Perhaps they sense a weakness in Temple leadership or support for football.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
I work a desk job so I don't mind the long walks. The walk from the park to the stadium is exercise for me.

I also should say that I don't consider the Eagles deal for Temple all that bad if we were a P5 powerhouse program. If Penn State was located here they could fill that stadium every week and make the type of deal that we have work.

My point is that the deal is not something that Temple is likely to profit from. If we had a sellout or two each season at premium tix prices like we saw with Notre Dame and Penn State, we could see a nice profit at the Linc each year.

Reality is that we are in a conf where the avg team average 30k not 70k. At this stage in our development it's where we belong. Will we ever blow up as a program and turn into a Penn State? Probably not.
But we can become the Boise State of the east.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-22-2018 10:33 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  I work a desk job so I don't mind the long walks. The walk from the park to the stadium is exercise for me.

I also should say that I don't consider the Eagles deal for Temple all that bad if we were a P5 powerhouse program. If Penn State was located here they could fill that stadium every week and make the type of deal that we have work.

My point is that the deal is not something that Temple is likely to profit from. If we had a sellout or two each season at premium tix prices like we saw with Notre Dame and Penn State, we could see a nice profit at the Linc each year.

Reality is that we are in a conf where the avg team average 30k not 70k. At this stage in our development it's where we belong. Will we ever blow up as a program and turn into a Penn State? Probably not.
But we can become the Boise State of the east.

Well, regardless of what happens, I wish Temple the best of luck in getting their stadium built. Hopefully one day, all 12 football members will have an OCS.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
(03-22-2018 07:50 AM)taximan1 Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 08:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 06:51 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 04:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  So what you are essentially saying is your scared.

Again long term you can improve your own house as you see fit.

You didn't answer any of the legitimate points I raised about the continued leasing strategy all of which could kill your program. All of which are more likely than Temple building a stadium no one will come to. The likelyhood is higher that the stadium and expanded campus presence will increase attendance and gentrfy the area. Which is why the stompers are there. They share the exact opposite view from you.

Yes, I am having seen Temple fans in action. Of course, you are arguing with me about a place I was born and raised and I wonder if you have ever step foot in Philadelphia.

A football stadium will not gentrify North Philadelphia. If stadiums did, they would be popping up all over hardscrabble neighborhoods all over the country. There is no need to have any further discussions. Lemme know when you train over to the Broad St iline and subway up, I;ll meet you, say Lehigh Station and take you for a tour of the gentry.

Tulsa's downtown and the BOK would like a word with you. As would the driller's stadium oneok field.

Several cities have moved stadiums and arenas downtown and seen a resurgence in that area. The new LA chargers stadium is expected to do it. Bricktown in OKC was built around their new arena. It usually takes a little while but generally restaurants and bars pop up around stadium areas along with merchandise vendors who can pick up extra traffic on game days.

Temple's is suppose to be multi use so I'm quite sure it will have a positive impact on the economy that will begin with construction and be maintained by events and games, as well as the campus activity that will be drawn there.

The Temple situation is different in a few ways:

- Temple campus is not in downtown, its north of downtown, with no restaurants or tourist attractions.Meaning that restaurants and attractions wont put money there.

- The community around Temple has been a disaster since the mid 60's. Suburban flight hit the area, and a 4x4 mile of row houses were left abandoned or almost valueless. Everytime developers offer to revitalize the neighborhood, the community pushes them away, and chooses to stay a poverty ridden neighborhood.

- The city council reps from north Philly always have the loudest voice in city hall. They lead protests in city hall chambers and have sit ins to protest anyone "disrupting their community".

The only thing that works is $$$ handed out to residents. And that is what will work again this time.


This is accurate description of Tulsa's downtown. Except the only residents were the homeless and drug addicts squatting in the abandoned buildings. The library, jail, and convention center were the only things really downtown.

Building the BOK arena and then the driller's stadium (minor league baseball) completely revitalized their immeadiate areas and eventually all of Tulsa's downtown.

It's a process repeated many times in lots of places. The influx of people for games and events will present opportunities for businesses to capatilize on the traffic. Those businesses will attract similar enterprises and the related businesses will follow.
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RE: Temple goes back to small meetings on stadium
The area around Temple has vastly improved in the last 20 years. I credit the Liacouras Center (bball arena) with launching the campus revitalization.
The improvements are mostly on or near campus. Improvements include shopping, bars, restaurants, a supermarket and a theater.
The campus itself has new science building, new b-school, new dorms, new school of art and soon a new library. Probably a $1 billion investment over the last 20 years as part of the 2020 and campus master plans. Temple is closing in on its goal of 40k students.
A campus stadium would be the final piece.
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(03-22-2018 04:24 PM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The area around Temple has vastly improved in the last 20 years. I credit the Liacouras Center (bball arena) with launching the campus revitalization.
The improvements are mostly on or near campus. Improvements include shopping, bars, restaurants, a supermarket and a theater.
The campus itself has new science building, new b-school, new dorms, new school of art and soon a new library. Probably a $1 billion investment over the last 20 years as part of the 2020 and campus master plans. Temple is closing in on its goal of 40k students.
A campus stadium would be the final piece.

The final piece better include secured parking garages for those driving into the city for a football game at the new OCS. 07-coffee3
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The plan is to use the same indoor multi story garage that bball fans use. On a Saturday there will be plenty of surface lots. I think that these lots are better for football fans anyway.
I don't know if it's a good thing or not but I was told that Temple hopes to have a higher percentage of fans that come to the games to be students. Attendance last season avg 26k so a 35k stadium is big enough for most games.
So if we go from 10k to 15k or 20k students, that may not be a bad thing.
No doubt the campus will be packed with folks on a Saturday for games, that may be a good thing.
I think that we need to avoid weekday and night games. Most of our fans don't like night games anyway.
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(03-21-2018 08:23 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 06:51 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  
(03-21-2018 04:27 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  So what you are essentially saying is your scared.

Again long term you can improve your own house as you see fit.

You didn't answer any of the legitimate points I raised about the continued leasing strategy all of which could kill your program. All of which are more likely than Temple building a stadium no one will come to. The likelyhood is higher that the stadium and expanded campus presence will increase attendance and gentrfy the area. Which is why the stompers are there. They share the exact opposite view from you.

Yes, I am having seen Temple fans in action. Of course, you are arguing with me about a place I was born and raised and I wonder if you have ever step foot in Philadelphia.

A football stadium will not gentrify North Philadelphia. If stadiums did, they would be popping up all over hardscrabble neighborhoods all over the country. There is no need to have any further discussions. Lemme know when you train over to the Broad St iline and subway up, I;ll meet you, say Lehigh Station and take you for a tour of the gentry.

Tulsa's downtown and the BOK would like a word with you. As would the driller's stadium oneok field.

Several cities have moved stadiums and arenas downtown and seen a resurgence in that area. The new LA chargers stadium is expected to do it. Bricktown in OKC was built around their new arena. It usually takes a little while but generally restaurants and bars pop up around stadium areas along with merchandise vendors who can pick up extra traffic on game days.

Temple's is suppose to be multi use so I'm quite sure it will have a positive impact on the economy that will begin with construction and be maintained by events and games, as well as the campus activity that will be drawn there.

North Philly is different.
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(03-26-2018 12:03 AM)Philly Brian Wrote:  The plan is to use the same indoor multi story garage that bball fans use. On a Saturday there will be plenty of surface lots. I think that these lots are better for football fans anyway.
I don't know if it's a good thing or not but I was told that Temple hopes to have a higher percentage of fans that come to the games to be students. Attendance last season avg 26k so a 35k stadium is big enough for most games.
So if we go from 10k to 15k or 20k students, that may not be a bad thing.
No doubt the campus will be packed with folks on a Saturday for games, that may be a good thing.
I think that we need to avoid weekday and night games. Most of our fans don't like night games anyway.

Most fans don't like week night games, especially for teams in city locations like Philly. Fans have to work during the week and then have to fight traffic into the city to watch the weeknight games so they stay home and watch the game on TV if it is televised. No ticket, parking, or concession revenue from absent fans on weeknights. 04-cheers
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(03-26-2018 02:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  North Philly is different.

North Philly is different for now; North Philly is different than it was when I attended Temple in the 1980’s; North Philly changed significantly during my time there; North Philly is changing for the better; North Philly will be transformed during our lifetimes. And this will happen regardless of a stadium. Doubt what I say? Fishtown , Northern Liberties, Kensington, Spring Garden, Art Museum, Gerard School, all “terrible” neighborhoods during my lifetime all “hot” neighborhoods now.
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(03-26-2018 08:49 AM)vick mike Wrote:  
(03-26-2018 02:53 AM)fishpro1098 Wrote:  North Philly is different.

North Philly is different for now; North Philly is different than it was when I attended Temple in the 1980’s; North Philly changed significantly during my time there; North Philly is changing for the better; North Philly will be transformed during our lifetimes. And this will happen regardless of a stadium. Doubt what I say? Fishtown , Northern Liberties, Kensington, Spring Garden, Art Museum, Gerard School, all “terrible” neighborhoods during my lifetime all “hot” neighborhoods now.

The truth. Philly is undergoing a massive change for the good. Temple is still sounded by some rough areas so I think it will be a while before we see any significant change
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