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(04-02-2018 12:37 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Eastern's Spring Game is scheduled for April 7, Central's April 21.

It was interesting to read in the MLive article about why the spring practices were so early.
"We moved Spring up because that's what the science taught us," Lester said. "Four months of healing, a 16-week training cycle, it's what is optimal in the NFL for growth.

Central and Eastern must not have heard about the "science."

Nor the Big Ten and SEC teams whose Spring Games are being televised Saturdays this month.

Or the NFL teams who are having OTAs beginning this week (and next month after the draft), only three months before start of training camp.

Read the thread on EMU board about their Spring Game. Lot of enthusiasm for it in spite of weather, including having '18 signees-'19 recruits there and garage sale of used equipment.

(04-10-2018 06:08 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 12:37 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Eastern's Spring Game is scheduled for April 7, Central's April 21.

It was interesting to read in the MLive article about why the spring practices were so early.
"We moved Spring up because that's what the science taught us," Lester said. "Four months of healing, a 16-week training cycle, it's what is optimal in the NFL for growth.

Central and Eastern must not have heard about the "science."

Nor the Big Ten and SEC teams whose Spring Games are being televised Saturdays this month.

Or the NFL teams who are having OTAs beginning this week (and next month after the draft), only three months before start of training camp.

Read the thread on EMU board about their Spring Game. Lot of enthusiasm for it in spite of weather, including having '18 signees-'19 recruits there and garage sale of used equipment.

Wait, are you being critical of a decision Lester and crew made?

(04-10-2018 06:08 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 12:37 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Eastern's Spring Game is scheduled for April 7, Central's April 21.

It was interesting to read in the MLive article about why the spring practices were so early.
"We moved Spring up because that's what the science taught us," Lester said. "Four months of healing, a 16-week training cycle, it's what is optimal in the NFL for growth.

Central and Eastern must not have heard about the "science."

Nor the Big Ten and SEC teams whose Spring Games are being televised Saturdays this month.

Or the NFL teams who are having OTAs beginning this week (and next month after the draft), only three months before start of training camp.

Read the thread on EMU board about their Spring Game. Lot of enthusiasm for it in spite of weather, including having '18 signees-'19 recruits there and garage sale of used equipment.

Between last years less than stellar season, this years terrible schedule and the lack of fan involvement in the spring game it feels like excitement and external engagement in this program is escaping like the air from a balloon...

We must admit that PJ generated quite a buzz around this program and in just over a year since his departure it feels like we are tumbling backwards in that regard.

(04-10-2018 07:42 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 06:08 AM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(04-02-2018 12:37 PM)BaldingBroncoFan Wrote:  

(03-30-2018 03:06 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  Eastern's Spring Game is scheduled for April 7, Central's April 21.

It was interesting to read in the MLive article about why the spring practices were so early.
"We moved Spring up because that's what the science taught us," Lester said. "Four months of healing, a 16-week training cycle, it's what is optimal in the NFL for growth.

Central and Eastern must not have heard about the "science."

Nor the Big Ten and SEC teams whose Spring Games are being televised Saturdays this month.

Or the NFL teams who are having OTAs beginning this week (and next month after the draft), only three months before start of training camp.

Read the thread on EMU board about their Spring Game. Lot of enthusiasm for it in spite of weather, including having '18 signees-'19 recruits there and garage sale of used equipment.

Between last years less than stellar season, this years terrible schedule and the lack of fan involvement in the spring game it feels like excitement and external engagement in this program is escaping like the air from a balloon...

We must admit that PJ generated quite a buzz around this program and in just over a year since his departure it feels like we are tumbling backwards in that regard.

No question.

We better win.

Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

Huh?

How have our expectations changed?

Win the MAC West.
Challenge for the MACC.
Go to Bowl Games.
WIN Bowl Games.

These expectations were set and met very recently. They should not change.

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

While we’re at it let’s ditch the MAC and go independent!

(04-10-2018 11:15 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

While we’re at it let’s ditch the MAC and go independent!

Your'e right, I like watching WMU go 6-6, really fills the stadium...

(04-10-2018 09:57 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

Huh?

How have our expectations changed?

Win the MAC West.
Challenge for the MACC.
Go to Bowl Games.
WIN Bowl Games.

These expectations were set and met very recently. They should not change.

I was responding to your “feelings” thread. It was comical!

And I don’t quibble with your 4 expectations.

What I do find funny is the huge investment in feelings about things you can’t control. Circumstances, like injuries to five running backs that shaped context of the scrimmage. The fact there is no other coach as self expressive as PJ. That we are into around January 94th and that having limping peeps run around to in the cold and try to execute a newly designed air attack in the bluster of said January when the season is still 5 months away is silly.

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

(04-10-2018 01:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU IS accepting mediocrity in the football program?

(04-10-2018 01:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU IS accepting mediocrity in the football program?

Hiring Tim Lester as Head Coach. I think it was a lazy hire.

(04-10-2018 01:44 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU IS accepting mediocrity in the football program?

Hiring Tim Lester as Head Coach. I think it was a lazy hire.

The recruiting results don't bear that out. Granted they have to perform but any MAC school outside Toledo (and most lower P5 schools) would kill for the kids we have coming in.

(04-10-2018 02:01 PM)bronco1988 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:44 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU IS accepting mediocrity in the football program?

Hiring Tim Lester as Head Coach. I think it was a lazy hire.

The recruiting results don't bear that out. Granted they have to perform but any MAC school outside Toledo (and most lower P5 schools) would kill for the kids we have coming in.

Agreed the recruiting has been great. It helps when a Cotton Bowl appearance is fresh in these kids minds.

I'm talking specifically about his head coaching skills. He was quoted as saying he felt like a spectator last season since he wasn't involved in play-calling. That doesn't sound like a head coach to me.

A bit mild mannered to be sure. He's probably more cerebral than PJ. Hopefully he can find his stride play calling etc. PJ certainly was no expert at all facets of football. He let his coaches coach and expected excellence. Tim should do the same. Even if it is more quiet and less 'look at me'.

(04-10-2018 02:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I'm talking specifically about his head coaching skills. He was quoted as saying he felt like a spectator last season since he wasn't involved in play-calling. That doesn't sound like a head coach to me.

Mark Dantonio, Nick Saban, and Urban Meyer don't call the plays and they seem to do alright.

(04-10-2018 01:39 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 01:23 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 11:13 AM)Fthechips Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 10:46 AM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 09:54 AM)gobaseline Wrote:  Why are you guys so dependent on others and let circumstances set your expectations?

My main concern is that it’s feeling like the complacent years that preceded PJ are creeping back in... losing interest with the community... not engaging the fan base or god forbid trying to grow it...

This is starting to feel more and more like the Cubit years as every day passes... and I said FEEL... just no buzz anymore... it’s sad.

If Lester doesn't make a bowl game this year he should be out, even if we make a lower tier bowl game and end up losing, he should still be on the hot seat. IMO. Time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity, if you can't win, get out.

Every coach should get 3 years, unless there is some scandal. That said, it is time for WMU to stop accepting mediocrity in all of our athletic programs. Especially when it comes to football, where more resources have been put in recent years. There is no excuse for expecting anything less than contending for conference championships.

Expect less than that, and that's exactly what you will get.

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU IS accepting mediocrity in the football program?

What tangible evidence can you share with us that WMU ISN'T accepting mediocrity in the football program? Historically WMU has been very mediocre in most of its sports programs, I'm not suggesting that they are currently accepting it in the football program but if Lester doesn't produce anything this year then there are questions that need to be asked.

(04-10-2018 04:41 PM)MajorHoople Wrote:  

(04-10-2018 02:09 PM)GRBRONCO Wrote:  I'm talking specifically about his head coaching skills. He was quoted as saying he felt like a spectator last season since he wasn't involved in play-calling. That doesn't sound like a head coach to me.

Mark Dantonio, Nick Saban, and Urban Meyer don't call the plays and they seem to do alright.

And they are in command of their programs. I guarantee they don't feel like spectators just because they aren't calling plays