(03-20-2018 09:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I don't doupt Okla has to keep OSU in mind when making a dicision.
nobody taking OSU
that means Tex & Okla are not going anywhere
lets see if conf network saves ACC

Saves ACC from what? They have a grant of rights and ESPN contract through 2037. The ACC is not going anywhere anytime soon.

Let's face it: Every legal bond can probably be broken, GOR included. It's just a matter of what the settlement will be.

I do NOT think this will happen, but if the ACCN is a big flop, and schools like FSU and Clemson see the ACC falling $10m + in annual revenue behind not just the SEC and B1G, which they have come to live with, but the Big 12 too, then the restlessness will set in, big time.

The ACC has schools in a population base of 94.827M and that excludes Notre Dame (Indiana) and any potential UConn expansion. The ACC has recent National Champs in Football and Basketball.

No way in hell their network fails.

The Big 12 which covers a population of 40.5M is in deep trouble when their contract comes up. The are at 40% of the population in the ACC, SEC and Big 10.

(03-21-2018 02:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I don't doupt Okla has to keep OSU in mind when making a dicision.
nobody taking OSU
that means Tex & Okla are not going anywhere
lets see if conf network saves ACC

Saves ACC from what? They have a grant of rights and ESPN contract through 2037. The ACC is not going anywhere anytime soon.

Let's face it: Every legal bond can probably be broken, GOR included. It's just a matter of what the settlement will be.

I do NOT think this will happen, but if the ACCN is a big flop, and schools like FSU and Clemson see the ACC falling $10m + in annual revenue behind not just the SEC and B1G, which they have come to live with, but the Big 12 too, then the restlessness will set in, big time.

The ACC has schools in a population base of 94.827M and that excludes Notre Dame (Indiana) and any potential UConn expansion. The ACC has recent National Champs in Football and Basketball.

No way in hell their network fails.

The Big 12 which covers a population of 40.5M is in deep trouble when their contract comes up. The are at 40% of the population in the ACC, SEC and Big 10.

Yep they have the largest population within their footprint, but have the worst viewer participation numbers to go with that. What good are 95 million people if most of them don't watch? Therein lies the reason the that the ACC has consistently been last in revenue out of the P5.

It's why if the ACC could land Texas it would be a huge coup. That's 32 million more, but more importantly 32 million more where the majority actually watch college sports.

(03-21-2018 02:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I don't doupt Okla has to keep OSU in mind when making a dicision.
nobody taking OSU
that means Tex & Okla are not going anywhere
lets see if conf network saves ACC

Saves ACC from what? They have a grant of rights and ESPN contract through 2037. The ACC is not going anywhere anytime soon.

Let's face it: Every legal bond can probably be broken, GOR included. It's just a matter of what the settlement will be.

I do NOT think this will happen, but if the ACCN is a big flop, and schools like FSU and Clemson see the ACC falling $10m + in annual revenue behind not just the SEC and B1G, which they have come to live with, but the Big 12 too, then the restlessness will set in, big time.

The ACC has schools in a population base of 94.827M and that excludes Notre Dame (Indiana) and any potential UConn expansion. The ACC has recent National Champs in Football and Basketball.

No way in hell their network fails.

The Big 12 which covers a population of 40.5M is in deep trouble when their contract comes up. The are at 40% of the population in the ACC, SEC and Big 10.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the ACCN is a success.

That said, the way I see the ACC 'footprint' is much smaller than how you see it. Just because an area has a school doesn't make that part of the 'footprint', not if nobody really cares.

E.g., it's pretty silly to call Louisiana part of the "AAC footprint" just because Tulane is located there, when Tulane probably has about 1% of the Louisiana interest in college football.

The ACC's problem is while it does range over an enormous expanse of the east coast, from New England to Miami and out to Kentucky, it is the dominant college athletics presence in only a small part of that area, basically just North Carolina and Virginia. Everywhere else, it is either second-fiddle to another Power conference, or else where it is in the only Power presence like the swath of New England between New York and Boston, the area cares little about college athletics at all.

ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)


And you are right, that's it. It's other niche is cities:
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse

Some impact in Boston and Atlanta, but not dominant

(03-21-2018 03:35 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 02:33 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 08:52 PM)Michael in Raleigh Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 06:40 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  I don't doupt Okla has to keep OSU in mind when making a dicision.
nobody taking OSU
that means Tex & Okla are not going anywhere
lets see if conf network saves ACC

Saves ACC from what? They have a grant of rights and ESPN contract through 2037. The ACC is not going anywhere anytime soon.

Let's face it: Every legal bond can probably be broken, GOR included. It's just a matter of what the settlement will be.

I do NOT think this will happen, but if the ACCN is a big flop, and schools like FSU and Clemson see the ACC falling $10m + in annual revenue behind not just the SEC and B1G, which they have come to live with, but the Big 12 too, then the restlessness will set in, big time.

The ACC has schools in a population base of 94.827M and that excludes Notre Dame (Indiana) and any potential UConn expansion. The ACC has recent National Champs in Football and Basketball.

No way in hell their network fails.

The Big 12 which covers a population of 40.5M is in deep trouble when their contract comes up. The are at 40% of the population in the ACC, SEC and Big 10.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if the ACCN is a success.

That said, the way I see the ACC 'footprint' is much smaller than how you see it. Just because an area has a school doesn't make that part of the 'footprint', not if nobody really cares.

E.g., it's pretty silly to call Louisiana part of the "AAC footprint" just because Tulane is located there, when Tulane probably has about 1% of the Louisiana interest in college football.

The ACC's problem is while it does range over an enormous expanse of the east coast, from New England to Miami and out to Kentucky, it is the dominant college athletics presence in only a small part of that area, basically just North Carolina and Virginia. Everywhere else, it is either second-fiddle to another Power conference, or else where it is in the only Power presence like the swath of New England between New York and Boston, the area cares little about college athletics at all.

I would agree the ACC has a participation problem in New York, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania. Lots of population and less interest. Pulling in Notre Dame would help. As for lack of interest in college athletics, is it athletics or mostly college football?

(03-21-2018 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)


And you are right, that's it. It's other niche is cities:
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse

Some impact in Boston and Atlanta, but not dominant

Not 50/50 in Kentucky? Louisville seems like more than a niche against UK. I thought I just read Louisville was among the top revenue producers in basketball. Certainly it seems better than Kentucky, doesn’t it?

(03-21-2018 04:53 PM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)


And you are right, that's it. It's other niche is cities:
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse

Some impact in Boston and Atlanta, but not dominant

Not 50/50 in Kentucky? Louisville seems like more than a niche against UK. I thought I just read Louisville was among the top revenue producers in basketball. Certainly it seems better than Kentucky, doesn’t it?

Louisville revenue is misleading due to Yum Center deal. Once you get outside of Louisville Metro, the only Louisville fans are alums. Otherwise, Big Blue rules. Just like in Tennessee - Vandy grads support Vandy, Memphis has Memphis, rest of the state is Orange.

(03-21-2018 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)


And you are right, that's it. It's other niche is cities:
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse

Some impact in Boston and Atlanta, but not dominant

North Carolina (10 MM people), Virginia (8.5 MM), and Florida (21 MM) are pretty significant.

And even getting a chunk of support in New York (20 MM), Pennsylvania (12.8 MM), and Georgia (10.4 MM) is worth something. Getting one-tenth of New York state to watch is the same as getting everyone in Nebraska to watch.

(03-21-2018 05:43 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)


And you are right, that's it. It's other niche is cities:
Pittsburgh, Louisville, Syracuse

Some impact in Boston and Atlanta, but not dominant

North Carolina (10 MM people), Virginia (8.5 MM), and Florida (21 MM) are pretty significant.

And even getting a chunk of support in New York (20 MM), Pennsylvania (12.8 MM), and Georgia (10.4 MM) is worth something. Getting one-tenth of New York state to watch is the same as getting everyone in Nebraska to watch.

Wedge, UGA carries more than 50% of Atlanta and 85% of the rest of the state. And that doesn't mean that Tech carries the other 50% of Atlanta. About 10% of it belongs to Auburn and Clemson has a presence there as well. So the ACC gets precious little out of the state of Georgia. In Florida the Gators carry about 49% the Noles about 47% and the other schools carry the rest. But it's hard to quantify because a lot of households will watch or listen to Florida/Florida State/ or Miami, or USF/UCF if they are hot.

In South Carolina it is 50/50.

Got to give them credit for ND, No Indiana & national following

The thing is college athletics in general is less popular than professional sports. There are parts of the country where college football is wildly popular, like the Deep South. However, basketball is the ACC's calling. While football gets more diehard support basketball has more of an ability to attract casual fans, especially in the Northeast. That is what the ACC is counting on when they raided certain programs from the Big East.

A conference network is a missing ingredient which the ACC wants to use to expose their programs continuously to the casual viewer. At least in the current model. Should the model change to user-intensive then that's where it becomes interesting.

The Big 12 has a lot of diehard support but their ceiling is much lower than the ACC's.

I can't tell you what is going to happen to the Big 12 because there are still years to go before we know for sure.

B-12 promblem can be fixed
B-10 & ACC targeted NE & NYC in particular
they left an avenue for the B-12 to also get piece of NYC
Conn & posablly Buffalo, then piecemeal thier way back

(03-21-2018 04:17 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ACC dominant states (besides NC and VA):

South Carolina (at worst a 50/50 split)
Florida (at worst a 50/50 split adding in FSU and Miami)

I lived in Florida for 13 years, and I can assure that stem to stern, Florida is 90% SEC country. Nobody cares about the ACC outside of Tallahassee and Miami, and only in pockets of those places.

Most FSU and Miami fans don't care about the ACC, they just care about FSU and Miami games.

Put it this way: If LSU is playing Tennessee, people in Florida care. If VT is playing Boston College, nobody in Florida cares.