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Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

I haven't reviewed this story at all outside of this thread and the link posted....but I do understand acoustics to some degree.....

I find it strange that collateral damage wouldn't exist at some point.....IMO, it's a fair question.....and to your posit, if it was targeted in such a manner, one would think the trigger mechanism would be simple to locate.....

at face value, I'm simply not buying it....

(03-16-2018 10:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

I haven't reviewed this story at all outside of this thread and the link posted....but I do understand acoustics to some degree.....

I find it strange that collateral damage wouldn't exist at some point.....IMO, it's a fair question.....and to your posit, if it was targeted in such a manner, one would think the trigger mechanism would be simple to locate.....

at face value, I'm simply not buying it....

I recall one diplomat saying that he was awakened by a deafening tone and then when he sprang out of bed and move away, it stopped. I think there were others with similar stories, though not all took place in their homes or hotel rooms.

At one point I wondered if it wasn't some psychosomatic element to what was being reported but never saw that theory floated in any of the stories.

(03-16-2018 10:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

I haven't reviewed this story at all outside of this thread and the link posted....but I do understand acoustics to some degree.....

I find it strange that collateral damage wouldn't exist at some point.....IMO, it's a fair question.....and to your posit, if it was targeted in such a manner, one would think the trigger mechanism would be simple to locate.....

at face value, I'm simply not buying it....

I recall one diplomat saying that he was awakened by a deafening tone and then when he sprang out of bed and move away, it stopped. I think there were others with similar stories, though not all took place in their homes or hotel rooms.

At one point I wondered if it wasn't some psychosomatic element to what was being reported but never saw that theory floated in any of the stories.

that's the bottom line......coincidence is most likely not an option.....

my guess is we'll never know the real story and the cia will do what it takes to squash this threat ASAP.....

this is where you simply kill some folk that are responsible at whatever cost necessary....

this is also where ubiquitous tech moving forward is extremely dangerous.....

it's only a matter of time before tech becomes our biggest issue in defense.....

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Look how LRAD transmissions can be directed at specific targets while leaving people 5 feet away from the target suffering no effects.

http://www.newworldwar.org/sw.htm

A primer on sonic weapons.

thanks for the info....that's quite interesting but not surprising....

now I understand how it could used as a mobile weapon....that's impressive and effective...

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 08:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors...pon-attack

Scientists recreated some results from the Cuban diplomatic "attacks."

I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

Well that fit the pattern they were able to reproduce.

(03-16-2018 10:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 09:54 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  I would have to ask how could you limit the range to only our diplomats???

surely there were others within range that would have been affected.....

with the info provided to date, the how and why would still be a question mark in my book....

Quote:Throughout last year, mysterious ailments struck dozens of U.S. and Canadian diplomats and their families living in Cuba.

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

I haven't reviewed this story at all outside of this thread and the link posted....but I do understand acoustics to some degree.....

I find it strange that collateral damage wouldn't exist at some point.....IMO, it's a fair question.....and to your posit, if it was targeted in such a manner, one would think the trigger mechanism would be simple to locate.....

at face value, I'm simply not buying it....

A lot of people were affected. I haven't seen anything that says there wasn't "collateral" damage, like Cuban employees at the embassies.

There seems to be enough understanding of the impacts that the intent could have been deliberate and not just "bad engineering."

(03-16-2018 10:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:28 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:14 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:08 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-16-2018 10:00 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

the point would be how would 'sonic sabotage' only affect a specific few and not the locals that would most certainly be within proximity on whatever random occasion.....they would hardly be immune....

one would assume it would be difficult in today's era to mask collateral damage.....

I simply don't see how it could be from 'sonic sabotage'......I'm definitely not questioning them being targeted with some other 'form' of attack....

Dunno. I read the original article posted, and besides big words like and and the, I didn't understand any of it. I've followed this story for quite a while now and always got the impression that the sounds were somehow pretty-well targeted towards the individuals and that if one moved much distance one way or another, they heard nothing.

I haven't reviewed this story at all outside of this thread and the link posted....but I do understand acoustics to some degree.....

I find it strange that collateral damage wouldn't exist at some point.....IMO, it's a fair question.....and to your posit, if it was targeted in such a manner, one would think the trigger mechanism would be simple to locate.....

at face value, I'm simply not buying it....

I recall one diplomat saying that he was awakened by a deafening tone and then when he sprang out of bed and move away, it stopped. I think there were others with similar stories, though not all took place in their homes or hotel rooms.

At one point I wondered if it wasn't some psychosomatic element to what was being reported but never saw that theory floated in any of the stories.

From well down in the article where they are talking about all the technical stuff:

"...One thing to note in the video is that the metallic sounds near 7 kHz are audible only at the point where the two signals cross. When the signals do not intersect, you can’t hear the 7-kHz tone, but the demodulator can still play the covert song. That finding is consistent with what some diplomats reported in Cuba: The sounds they heard tended to be confined to a part of the room. When they moved just a few steps away, the sound stopped...."