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Will our political leaders now call for doctors and nurses to carry guns (like they propose for teachers)?

disgruntled employee who was about to be fired comes back & kills one and severely injures another.

I guess we need to add doctors and nurses to the same list as teachers of professions that need to go to work strapped.

Sounds like a good idea to me. No one said anything about forcing teachers to carry. However, those who are capable should be allowed to carry.

Gun free zones only protect criminals.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/07/25/wo...lth-center

Name a gun law that would have prevented this from occurring? If the shooter was a n average Joe with no criminal history, he obtained the gun legally. He flipped when he got terminated by the employer. No law would have prevented it. It is evil. It will always be here.

When I worked at UAB (school side not medical side) we had a guy we thought might go nuts when they were gonna let him go. UAB PD, even in 2011 or whenever it was, was pretty prepared for that kind of situation and handled it well. Dude did okay but they knew how to handle it from the get go. If there's ever a question that you think someone will snap, say something first.

(03-15-2018 12:13 PM)Pavy78 Wrote:  Name a gun law that would have prevented this from occurring? If the shooter was a n average Joe with no criminal history, he obtained the gun legally. He flipped when he got terminated by the employer. No law would have prevented it. It is evil. It will always be here.

Not advocating for it, but if the guns were illegal and had been confiscated, and if the ammunition had been controlled either through extremely high prices or otherwise.

(03-15-2018 12:11 PM)BlazerFromMD Wrote:  Sounds like a good idea to me. No one said anything about forcing teachers to carry. However, those who are capable should be allowed to carry.

Gun free zones only protect criminals.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/07/25/wo...lth-center

While talking about arming people, they avoid the term LIABILITY that a teacher would face if they killed or injured a person / student who turned out to be unarmed (as has happened with police officers). Various courts have ruled in past cases that a teacher is INDIVIDUALLY LIABLE for any injury to a student in their classroom, even if the student's behavior was against the teacher's instructions. One reason some teachers join AEA or AFT is the insurance coverage for liability, particularly when taking students to labs.

(03-15-2018 12:21 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 12:13 PM)Pavy78 Wrote:  Name a gun law that would have prevented this from occurring? If the shooter was a n average Joe with no criminal history, he obtained the gun legally. He flipped when he got terminated by the employer. No law would have prevented it. It is evil. It will always be here.

Not advocating for it, but if the guns were illegal and had been confiscated, and if the ammunition had been controlled either through extremely high prices or otherwise.

Um, yeah. That works so well with drugs. Let’s try that.

(03-15-2018 06:38 PM)Pavy78 Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 12:21 PM)mixduptransistor Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 12:13 PM)Pavy78 Wrote:  Name a gun law that would have prevented this from occurring? If the shooter was a n average Joe with no criminal history, he obtained the gun legally. He flipped when he got terminated by the employer. No law would have prevented it. It is evil. It will always be here.

Not advocating for it, but if the guns were illegal and had been confiscated, and if the ammunition had been controlled either through extremely high prices or otherwise.

Um, yeah. That works so well with drugs. Let’s try that.

I said I wasn't advocating for that, but I guess reading is hard.

At any rate, there are less drastic ways to do it, too. Other countries have solved this problem, it's not insurmountable. We just have to want to do it.

Drug interdiction, like booze interdiction (moonshining, bootlegging, etc) doesn't work because such businesses operate on the basic capitalism principle that where there is a demand, someone will provide supply, no matter the obstacles. To date, the only drug or booze program aimed at demand was the "Just say NO" program of the 1980s. As long as American drug and booze demand is maintained, there will be those who provide a supply and will profit from it.

(Ironically, the drug users are considered "nonviolent offenders" and are the first to be released even though income from their habits provide the drug cartel's income to pay for their violent practices just as nonviolent drinkers of illegal booze sustained the Capone type gangs.)

As long as American's faith in the perceived protection offered by ever present firearms is dominant, the guns will continue to flood our environment. There is no law that can prevent murders, only laws that try to (eventually) punish the perpetrator after the fact. The NRA is one problem in this culture, but not the MAIN problem. America has always been a violent "Wild West" kind of culture since its beginnings (America's first rebellion was the "Whisky Rebellion" in western PA put down by George Washington using 15,000 militiamen against 600 farmers).