Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

(03-15-2018 11:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

Speeding also included. Look at the picture a few posts up....

Speed goes from 55 to 35 as you enter town - don't quite get to 35 fast enough - $200 ticket....

(03-15-2018 11:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Are taxes "money grubbing" also?

Are police, firefighters and teachers paid via "money grubbing" and therefore should not be paid at all?

Well that depends on the tax doesn't it?

Don't you find it fascinating that every new tax that's devised seemingly has a list of "reasons" we can't POSSIBLY do without it?

I mean a soda/sugary drink tax?

If that's not money grubbing.....

The way that the red-light cameras have been handled is where I have my issue with them.

I don't really have an issue with making people think twice before running a red-light.

However, I do have a problem with the way that many municipalities have handled them by denying a person an opportunity to explain or challenge it.

I received one in Montgomery and was sent a letter saying pay it or don't but that there was no recourse. My reason for "running" the red-light? I was getting out of the way of an emergency vehicle--as I am supposed to.

(03-15-2018 11:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

My company's driver had an experience with one of those lights.

He was at a red light and didn't come to a "complete stop" before turning right.

Next thing we know there's a bill for $200 for "running a red light" delivered courtesy of the post office.

Sorry folks, that has NOTHING to do with enforcement or safety.

THAT'S a money grab.

(03-15-2018 11:26 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Are taxes "money grubbing" also?

Are police, firefighters and teachers paid via "money grubbing" and therefore should not be paid at all?

We are talking about towns using speed trap cameras that account for the vast majority of their income, stay on topic knucklehead.

So they should collect the vast majority of their income from law abiding taxpayers and not lawbreakers?

(03-15-2018 12:29 PM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

My company's driver had an experience with one of those lights.

He was at a red light and didn't come to a "complete stop" before turning right.

Next thing we know there's a bill for $200 for "running a red light" delivered courtesy of the post office.

Sorry folks, that has NOTHING to do with enforcement or safety.

THAT'S a money grab.

Yep.

(03-15-2018 12:37 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:26 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:23 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Are taxes "money grubbing" also?

Are police, firefighters and teachers paid via "money grubbing" and therefore should not be paid at all?

We are talking about towns using speed trap cameras that account for the vast majority of their income, stay on topic knucklehead.

So they should collect the vast majority of their income from law abiding taxpayers and not lawbreakers?

They should collect the vast majority of their income from the people who LIVE THERE. In the article, the town had about 2200 - 2500 people living there. The camera doled out over 15,000 citations. So every man, woman and child had almost 3 citations each that year???

This gets funnier all the time. Now out of towners are supposed to be exempt from traffic laws because they don't live there? The people in that town could/should have VERY low taxes!

(03-15-2018 11:42 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 11:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

Speeding also included. Look at the picture a few posts up....

Speed goes from 55 to 35 as you enter town - don't quite get to 35 fast enough - $200 ticket....

That make more sense....still...15,000 tickets. Damn. Someone should actually do jail time for fraud. I hope they bankrupt the town and leave them to die.

(03-15-2018 06:54 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  The most recent study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that nearly 1,300 lives were saved through 2014 in 79 large U.S. cities that installed red light cameras and, in a study of one county in Maryland, radar cameras installed on local roads reduced fatal or incapacitating injuries by 39 percent.

“Red light running is one of the biggest factors in crashes,” Russ Rader, a spokesman for the IIHS, told Fox News. “But [these crashes] are sharply reduced when cities use red light cameras.”

What’s the “institute for highway safety”, and who funds the guy?

Why is he so openly lying?

(03-15-2018 09:22 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I get the cons of red light cameras. However, folks seem to be glossing over if they didn't actually run the red light in the first place this wouldn't even be an issue. Red light runners are a large problem in my neck of the woods. I see them nearly every day.

My goodness.

My son got the ticket not for running a red light, but for being 3 mph over in a 45.

We paid it cause it was less of a hassle than driving 200 milesround trip , dragging him out of class, and spending the day in traffic court.

All for what? Can I face my accuser? Should we go to a jury trial?

Sure, ******** run late yellows or reds all the time. So arrest them. Throw em all in jail, fine with me.
But a busted asss camera on a DC light pole?

Yea. No.

(03-15-2018 11:35 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Damn...They collected 3 million from people running red lights? That sounds damn near impossible. Was speeding also included? I have a hard time believing that many people are running red lights. Lets say a fine is $200.00 for a red light violation...That would mean 15,000 tickets? Get the F outta here.

In a town of 2300!

I did some basic math and i think it was 16666!

I didn’t post it, cause assumed I’d screwed it up. But at $180 a pop, and 3MM bucks collected, did I do that right?

Yea, I’d move there...

(03-14-2018 02:36 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/...rules.html

Quote:A small Ohio town that lived by the red light camera could soon die by it, after a federal court ruled the speed trap has to pay back more than $3 million in automated speeding tickets.

The case of New Miami, population 2,321, highlights the controversy behind the tickets, which make stoplight-running motorists see red, but help keep the budgets of cities and towns in the black. New Miami will almost certainly go bankrupt if the Supreme Court doesn’t reverse a lower court’s ruling and spare it from refunding tens of thousands of tickets at $180 apiece plus interest.

“The village enacted this unconstitutional scheme primarily as a money making venture,” Josh Engel, the lawyer representing the plaintiffs in the New Miami case, told Fox News. “They increased their spending significantly after the scheme was put in place and it was basically used to fill holes in their budget that would traditionally have come from raising taxes.”

Quote:But a slew of recent corruption cases across the country involving local government officials and companies selling the cameras is not helping the image of them as moneymakers for municipalities.

In Chicago, camera vendor Redflex won in 2003 a $120 million contract to install 384 cameras and collected more than $400 million in traffic fines. It was eventually revealed that Redflex bribed Chicago City hall manager John Bills with $2,000 for every camera installed as well as giving him vacations, a condominium in Arizona and Mercedes among other favors.

Bills was eventually sentenced to 10 years in federal prison in a corruption scandal that rocked the city, while two Redflex higher-ups were sent to jail and the company was forced to pay $20 million to the city to settle a lawsuit.

Redflex did not respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

In Ohio, New Miami will have to wait to see if the state’s Supreme Court decides to take a look at their plea – something it only does with roughly seven percent of cases filed annually. Engel, the plaintiff’s lawyer, says he believes that going to the state’s highest court is just another move by the village to delay making their payments.

“The village is well aware that the chances of the Supreme Court deciding to hear this issue is slim. So why are they pursuing this Hail Mary?” Engel told the Journal-News. “This is another stalling tactic to further delay having to pay back the money taken from motorists in an unconstitutional scheme.”

My wife got three of those in a single day in that joke of a town. Two were for 27 in a 25. Don’t recall the third. We never paid them because the first court decision came down that week.

(03-15-2018 06:54 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  The most recent study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that nearly 1,300 lives were saved through 2014 in 79 large U.S. cities that installed red light cameras and, in a study of one county in Maryland, radar cameras installed on local roads reduced fatal or incapacitating injuries by 39 percent.

“Red light running is one of the biggest factors in crashes,” Russ Rader, a spokesman for the IIHS, told Fox News. “But [these crashes] are sharply reduced when cities use red light cameras.”

You keep believing that

(03-16-2018 07:09 AM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-15-2018 06:54 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  The most recent study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that nearly 1,300 lives were saved through 2014 in 79 large U.S. cities that installed red light cameras and, in a study of one county in Maryland, radar cameras installed on local roads reduced fatal or incapacitating injuries by 39 percent.

“Red light running is one of the biggest factors in crashes,” Russ Rader, a spokesman for the IIHS, told Fox News. “But [these crashes] are sharply reduced when cities use red light cameras.”

You keep believing that

lol.....there's nothing better than those "recent studies" to confirm 'improved conditions'....

every time I hear that, I only wonder, "how was it funded?".....'they' always manage to leave thet part out....

in this case, there's no fk'n way you can quantify that unless you are a lobbyist for that industry......that would at least make sense....

#fknsheeples

Russ Rader is the perfect name for a redlight camera salesman

(03-16-2018 07:26 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Russ Rader is the perfect name for a redlight camera salesman

the double R.....reminds me of the "Double Douche" and this.....

I agree with Ohio Poly that they do work. Of course they work!

My problem is that many municipalities treat them like they do parking tickets instead of the violations that they are. If you are going to give people a ticket and cost them money you need to give them due process.

Now, speed cameras are just anti-American! I'm a car lover, and a lover of fast cars, and the speed cameras represent the nanny state in its most obnoxious form to me.

You can go to court on a camera ticket just like you can on a cop citation