(03-14-2018 05:59 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 05:47 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:57 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 04:32 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  The $3mill number is the number that's out there and is the most accepted in addition to the rehab fee of over $10mill. The fact of the matter is that the Eagles don't want Temple to play in their stadium and the Eagles never denied the figure just that Temple hasn't come to them to negotiate a new lease. Do you blame them?

The "number" is no longer "out there" because it was never true in the first place. The former President, seperated from Temple for finagling numbers, wanted to desperately to build a stadium he used this figure as the priority basis to build the stadium, suggesting the Eagles were extorting Temple. Uninformed people like yourself have clung to that notion and use it, just as you did here, for the basis of the argument to build.

Current President Englert walked that notion back completely. In fact, he doesn't even mention it in his rationale to build, presented just this month and attached here.

https://news.temple.edu/news/2018-01-18/...c-facility

$50 a game to park? This is a fanbase that wont spend $150 for season tickets which included home games against Penn State and Notre Dame, you think they will pay $50 to park to see Bucknell in 2021?

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...and the new president had/has the ability to end the project but yet he persists. I wonder why? From the article you linked:

"The university's review process concluded that a new multipurpose facility, estimated to cost $130 million, will generate significant cost reductions and revenue enhancements as compared to Temple's continuing to play at Lincoln Financial Field."

The above review has nothing to do with the former president and his number "finagling" but nice try.

As for parking, the Eagles are charging $40 dollars to park now, of course they will pay $50. For the third time, Temple gets nothing for parking as it stands right now. Basic math says that 11,000 parking spots x $0 equals ZERO to Temple. Even if Temple charges $25/spot which is substantially lower than what the Eagles ask, it's money coming into the coffers that isn't there now. Please tell me I won't have to explain this to you again.

My guess is that you ultimately see Temple (in conjunction with building the stadium) surpassing whatever school you went to or support and it makes you feel bad inside. It's a real shame and rather pathetic.

Unfortunately my suspicion is that Kenney is actually a Temple fan, an angry bitter person who loves to bash his fellow fans because of some weird personal defect. Or a nova fan, who knows?

He's got Nova troll written all over him.

(03-14-2018 02:34 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Yulman is a $50mm paperweight right now and may have actually hurt or far flung chances at a B12/ACC invite. I was a big supporter of playing FBall on campus, but my thoughts have changed since seeing the final product.

Hardly a Nova troll, just an educated and experienced Temple fan. I remember when we had a Top Ten BB Program and a had a FB program in one of the nation's top conferences. I know full well how Temple's Leadership, with the full endorsement of some of its loudest, most uninformed (and spectacularly DUMB) fans pissed it all away. Guess who has been on the Board through it all.........

No offense to my Tulane brethren but, for a school in the 6th largest city, with the 5th biggest TV Market, 37,000 students and 300,000 alumni, i dont want to become as irrelevant as the Green Wave by building our own monument to stupidity as a final act of visionless incompetence.

(03-14-2018 11:06 AM)uhcoog27 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 07:49 PM)72Tiger Wrote:  Guy probably wanted to get paid.

Ding. Ding. Ding.

Lifetime supply of Jello Pudding Pops from Temple's#1 alumnus.

(03-14-2018 03:22 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Temple has never paid 3 million a year and isnt now or for the next two years of an extended lease signed at Temple's request.

Temple has not attempted to negotiate a long term lease because they want to build a stadium and use the fabricated figures presented by its since fired President to provide that rationale.

Temple isnt building a single extra parking space to accommodate 30,000 people on campus (for the 1st game anyway.) There are 11,000 dedicated parking spaces for football at the Linc. Temple's plans call for 0 and a free for all for available parking not used by students, employees and residents currently.

If Temple and city leaders cant resolve a lease playing in a vacant stadium on saturdays built in part with taxpayer monies, they should all be led to the top of City Hall and thrown off William Penn's hat......but they dont want to do that. There's some rubles to made by developers, pols and Temple's BoT's so you just continue to play the role of village idiot and accept Yulman II will be a great success at 15th and Norris.

Temple paid $15 million up front + $1million annual rent + game day expenses. The total cost has in fact been close to $3 million per year. Temple also had to pay in advance to get the two one year options. The next lease isn’t going to be for less money either.

As much as I’d like the city and Temple to work out a better deal it’s simply not feasible. Neither the city or state have a legal means to compel Lurie to offer a better deal. Lurie doesn’t want Temple as a tenant and has every reason to use the next lease to incentivize Temple to look for other options. Kenney tried using the bully pulpit to get a better deal and the Eagles effectively laughed at him.

I have concerns about the stadium too, particularly that they’re doing this on the cheap, but I’m certain they aren’t going to get anything other than a crap deal at the Linc.

(03-14-2018 06:01 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  He's got Nova troll written all over him.

Nope. He’s a passionate albeit caustic Temple fan. Whether you agree with him or not, Temple could use more people as passionate about Temple athletics as he is.

(03-14-2018 02:34 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 12:25 PM)TU77CAL82 Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 11:14 AM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 10:30 PM)vcoog Wrote:  If I remember correctly Tulane had issues like this since theirs is in the middle of an established neighborhood- what did they do differently

Tulane is in a more traditional neighborhood and not very urban, unlike Temple. Tulane is located in perhaps the most expensive area of New Orleans, so the neighbors did have significant political clout. At the start, the plan was to build a legit D1 stadium capable of further expansion. After the Nimby's got a hold of the project, it was significantly scaled back. There was a fight at the city council and basically Tulane had to draw back the capacity and height of the stadium to get it done. Some question whether we should have just stayed int he dome and built and IPF/athletics center instead of a significantly reduced stadium.

Tulane didn't need to get any waivers on zoning, request street closures, etc. Everything was being done within the 'rules.' The only reason that the city council became involved is because the neighbors got their council person to try to slow down and stop the process with a zoning procedure. While that passed the council, the mayor vetoed it and the votes to override weren't there. Tulane also filed a lawsuit against the City of New Orleans, but that became moot.

Personally, I like the final product better than the original Yulman design. (Is this where I throw in that I'm an Architect.) For one, the original design had an 'in-stadium' concourse that split the seating area into two, like Turchin, which I don't like. I think that you overestimate the differences in capacity between the original and final designs. The biggest loss in capacity resulted from the location of the pressbox, which had nothing to do with the neighbors. At any rate, the stadium can be expanded if needed, but so far the need hasn't materialized. Playing in the Superdome was a mistake that began when I was a student, and if we were still playing there, I probably wouldn't be attending games anymore.

I respectfully disagree. The capacity is around 23k and there is ample evidence to support that POV. The seats are super tight and they faked it by making an entire side of the stadium into club seats that are empty and ugly on TV. Tulane never seems to do things right. Either build a legit 30k seat stadium (expandable to 50k) with legit press boxes and traditional luxury seating, or don;t do it at all. Yulman is a $50mm paperweight right now and may have actually hurt or far flung chances at a B12/ACC invite. I was a big supporter of playing FBall on campus, but my thoughts have changed since seeing the final product.

The final product is an absolute disgrace. It's crazy to think Tulane could have screwed this up worse than any other OCS project in history BUT:
1. Any OCS is better than shamefully playing in an NFL stadium.
2. Even if the stadium was built right, New Orleans wouldn't support Tulane.
No question

(03-14-2018 06:35 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 02:34 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  Yulman is a $50mm paperweight right now and may have actually hurt or far flung chances at a B12/ACC invite. I was a big supporter of playing FBall on campus, but my thoughts have changed since seeing the final product.

Hardly a Nova troll, just an educated and experienced Temple fan. I remember when we had a Top Ten BB Program and a had a FB program in one of the nation's top conferences. I know full well how Temple's Leadership, with the full endorsement of some of its loudest, most uninformed (and spectacularly DUMB) fans pissed it all away. Guess who has been on the Board through it all.........

No offense to my Tulane brethren but, for a school in the 6th largest city, with the 5th biggest TV Market, 37,000 students and 300,000 alumni, i dont want to become as irrelevant as the Green Wave by building our own monument to stupidity as a final act of visionless incompetence.

^ I see a poster with stones so huge it's incredible his sack hasn't broken open yet. With sac intact, he can probably balance out his arms with both feet off the ground

(03-14-2018 07:14 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Temple paid $15 million up front + $1million annual rent + game day expenses.

And I would like more informed Temple fans. Temple didnt pay anything up front. They have been paying 1 million + operating expenses since Day 1. Its an absolute brilliant deal to have no where to go, with no conference and about 3,000 people willing to buy tickets and move into a half billion dollar stadium as they did in 2003. Still, its not good enough for this gang

Temple has been playing in that stadium since....for 1 million a year. Operating costs have gone up because more people are coming to games.

Everyday I read how Jeffrey Lurie is raping Temple....and its complete bullsh!t.

Everyday I read how Lurie wants Temple out....yet he extended them 2 one year leases at same cost to get their act together and Temple's leadership was run off in 15 minutes by a couple grandmoms yelling at them

(03-14-2018 07:35 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 07:14 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  Temple paid $15 million up front + $1million annual rent + game day expenses.

And I would like more informed Temple fans. Temple didnt pay anything up front. They have been paying 1 million + operating expenses since Day 1. Its an absolute brilliant deal to have no where to go, with no conference and about 3,000 people willing to buy tickets and move into a half billion dollar stadium as they did in 2003. Still, its not good enough for this gang

Temple has been playing in that stadium since....for 1 million a year. Operating costs have gone up because more people are coming to games.

Everyday I read how Jeffrey Lurie is raping Temple....and its complete bullsh!t.

Everyday I read how Lurie wants Temple out....yet he extended them 2 one year leases at same cost to get their act together and Temple's leadership was run off in 15 minutes by a couple grandmoms yelling at them

Yes Temple did. Unfortunately all the articles on Philly dot com are behind a paywall, but it was widely reported in local media. Here’s the free teaser from newspapers dot com:

“THURSDAY, AUGUST 14, 2003 Wit iPfnlaMpfna ilnquirer WWW://PHILLY.COM Owls and Eagles reach accord on Line The teams compromised on Temple's payment of its $15 million fee. The agreement could solidify the future of the college football team and bolster recruiting significantly. enough to address the Eagles' need for a substantial payment toward stadium construction costs. The balance of the $15 million would then be paid over the next few years. "Temple is very excited to be playing its home games in Lincoln ...”

Adamany wanted an out clause for Temple to receive a pro rated portion of the $15 million returned to Temple if the school discontinued football. Temple also wanted to make the 15 million payment in four installments. It was a major sticking point in the negotiations in part because it was money passing from the state through Temple to the Eagles and the Eagles effectively saw it as “their” money. The Eagles after arm twisting and threats from House Speaker Perzel and Mayor Renell agreed to let Temple pay half at contract execution and the remainder over the next few years. They agreed to the pro rata stipulation as well. I assume you recall how close to the start of 2003 season it was before the parties finally reached an agreement. As you can see from the article’s date the lease wasn’t signed until August.

Nope. Lurie wanted the money up front, Ed Rendell worked it out to have Temple pay 1 million per year over 15 years. Temple paid $0.00 up front. I am so 100% certain of that, I would be happy to pay for your season tickets next year if I am wrong.

Rendell's work is a perfect example of politicians getting involved to resolve an issue. In this case, the last thing Temple wants is a politician to resolve this impasse. They want a stadium and want to claim Lurie is extorting them. The Eagles & Lurie have been strangely silent, mostly because Lurie is worth close to 3 billion and has won a super bowl. He is more than happy to have Temple leave. Im sure he will eventually come clean but the Eagles have already commented and said "They ahve had no negotiations with Temple."

Not much of an effort on Temple's part, wouldnt you say ?

(03-14-2018 08:35 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Nope. Lurie wanted the money up front, Ed Rendell worked it out to have Temple pay 1 million per year over 15 years. Temple paid $0.00 up front. I am so 100% certain of that, I would be happy to pay for your season tickets next year if I am wrong.

Rendell's work is a perfect example of politicians getting involved to resolve an issue. In this case, the last thing Temple wants is a politician to resolve this impasse. They want a stadium and want to claim Lurie is extorting them. The Eagles & Lurie have been strangely silent, mostly because Lurie is worth close to 3 billion and has won a super bowl. He is more than happy to have Temple leave. Im sure he will eventually come clean but the Eagles have already commented and said "They ahve had no negotiations with Temple."

Not much of an effort on Temple's part, wouldnt you say ?

As usual all bluster and your usual belligerent asshatery. So the media flat out lied that Temple made an upfront payment that went toward construction costs because you have confidential knowledge that Rendell negotiated a different deal. The threat that got the deal done came from Perzel when he told Lurie the legislature would enact an Eagles-specific ticket tax if he didn’t make some concessions to Temple. He had the authority to make that happen, not Rendell.

You’re free to provide a link to any credible source that Rendell negotiated a different deal. You won’t of course.

(03-14-2018 07:14 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:22 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Temple has never paid 3 million a year and isnt now or for the next two years of an extended lease signed at Temple's request.

Temple has not attempted to negotiate a long term lease because they want to build a stadium and use the fabricated figures presented by its since fired President to provide that rationale.

Temple isnt building a single extra parking space to accommodate 30,000 people on campus (for the 1st game anyway.) There are 11,000 dedicated parking spaces for football at the Linc. Temple's plans call for 0 and a free for all for available parking not used by students, employees and residents currently.

If Temple and city leaders cant resolve a lease playing in a vacant stadium on saturdays built in part with taxpayer monies, they should all be led to the top of City Hall and thrown off William Penn's hat......but they dont want to do that. There's some rubles to made by developers, pols and Temple's BoT's so you just continue to play the role of village idiot and accept Yulman II will be a great success at 15th and Norris.

(03-14-2018 06:01 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  He's got Nova troll written all over him.

Nope. He’s a passionate albeit caustic Temple fan. Whether you agree with him or not, Temple could use more people as passionate about Temple athletics as he is.

We absolutely could not use more ‘fans’ like him. You call it passion I just think its bitter nastiness. He believes that being a long time fan entitles him to denigrate those who disagree with him. It’s actually sad to think of a grown man sitting at a keyboard angrily pounding out insults to other fans of the same team. It’s also sad that you are a cheerleader for this creep.

(03-14-2018 09:27 PM)vick mike Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 07:14 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(03-14-2018 03:22 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Temple has never paid 3 million a year and isnt now or for the next two years of an extended lease signed at Temple's request.

Temple has not attempted to negotiate a long term lease because they want to build a stadium and use the fabricated figures presented by its since fired President to provide that rationale.

Temple isnt building a single extra parking space to accommodate 30,000 people on campus (for the 1st game anyway.) There are 11,000 dedicated parking spaces for football at the Linc. Temple's plans call for 0 and a free for all for available parking not used by students, employees and residents currently.

If Temple and city leaders cant resolve a lease playing in a vacant stadium on saturdays built in part with taxpayer monies, they should all be led to the top of City Hall and thrown off William Penn's hat......but they dont want to do that. There's some rubles to made by developers, pols and Temple's BoT's so you just continue to play the role of village idiot and accept Yulman II will be a great success at 15th and Norris.

(03-14-2018 06:01 PM)thefinglonger Wrote:  He's got Nova troll written all over him.

Nope. He’s a passionate albeit caustic Temple fan. Whether you agree with him or not, Temple could use more people as passionate about Temple athletics as he is.

We absolutely could not use more ‘fans’ like him. You call it passion I just think its bitter nastiness. He believes that being a long time fan entitles him to denigrate those who disagree with him. It’s actually sad to think of a grown man sitting at a keyboard angrily pounding out insults to other fans of the same team. It’s also sad that you are a cheerleader for this creep.

Did you miss the part where I called him an asshat? Frequently he’s jerk when he’s using a keyboard. He’s often certain about facts that are actually his imaginations as in this thread. That said, he donates to Temple athletics and buys tickets whether Temple is winning or losing. Temple could use more people with a similar commitment, preferably without the surly and self-righteous demeanor.

Wow, an anonymous guy who doesn't buy tickets and idolizes Michael Vick calling me a creep. Maybe it is time to re-evaluate.....time'sup. Luv Templ, just cant stand cheap ass imbeciles, feelin me MexicoRon.

Lost in Space, I maybe be an asshat but I am 100% sure Temple did not pay any monies up front. It was the whole bone of contention between the Eagles and Temple. Temple, with Rendell's help, landed a magnificent deal. They opened the stadium and played a meaningful game before the Eagles did....for just a million dollars !!!!

LostinSpace,

from an Aug 7, 2003 snip that captures the opening lines of the Philadelphia Inquirer story ....total amount was 15 million over 15 years. It was a very ...strike that, it still is an exceptional deal :

4th down for Owls' Linc talks
Author: Larry Eichel INQUIRER STAFF WRITER Date: August 7, 2003 Publication: Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) Page: D01
The negotiations between the Eagles and Temple University over Temple's desire to play its football games at Lincoln Financial Field now turn on a single issue - the payment schedule.
According to sources familiar with the talks, the two sides have worked out a 15-year deal in which the university would pay a total of $15 million.
The stumbling block is how the money will be paid.
The Eagles want the entire amount up front and have told Temple's negotiators they thought the...

Further proof Temple has only paid 1 million per year from our own Unversity Newspaper : https://temple-news.com/university-exten...th-eagles/

Asshats 1
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Most importantly, it is unbelievable how misinformed Temple people about this lease has been and incredibly discouraging that grown up, college graduates just believe everything they are told about the "negotiations"

(03-14-2018 10:38 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Further proof Temple has only paid 1 million per year from our own Unversity Newspaper : https://temple-news.com/university-exten...th-eagles/

Asshats 1
Imbeciles 0

Most importantly, it is unbelievable how misinformed Temple people about this lease has been and incredibly discouraging that grown up, college graduates just believe everything they are told about the "negotiations"

Not sure that clears the upfront payment that was discussed.

What do you all pay on upkeep type fees? I'm sure that isn't included in the rent payment so to speak.

Curious not trolling.

Just ignore him guys. He isn't worth anyone's time here anyway. Just a nobody whose only pleasure in life is coming here to rile people up.

I only posted this because I think that you guys also have a stake in how Temple football fares in the future. History shows that in the past on many occasions the Temple admin has bungled things terribly. As most of you know we got booted from the Big East due to poor leadership from the Temple admin when it came to football.
I was actually in a pub with some other Temple fans when the AD walked in fresh from a BE meeting with the Temple president and he gave us the news.
This rejection of Temple's efforts to build this stadium is the worse thing that I have heard since in regards to Temple football. Yes, it's that serious!
I have two degrees from Temple and I worked there for 4 years in the athletic department. I know people. In plain English, the decision by the city this week is a "no go" on the stadium. To undo this, Temple will have to comeback with something huge, really huge. Something that will blow the locals away.

This is not like the effort to build the bball arena back in the day. One big difference is that back then Temple had both John Chaney and Bill Cosby pushing hard for the bball arena.
The local politician holding things up back then also gave Temple a number which was $5 mil for one of his pet projects. The local pol blocking the stadium now says that even if one old lady doesn't want the stadium, it's a no go ... well actually those aren't his exact words but more his attitude.
For bball there was no organized group called the Stadium Stompers. Also for football the professors, the NAACP and the Phila Black Clergy have all lined up against the stadium joining forces with the Stadium Stompers.
Guys, most of the Temple folks here don't want to admit it but the stadium is on life support.
My fear and I think that history will support me is that failure here will lead to a downward spiral for Temple football.
I should point out that for this season and going forward the cost to play games at the pro stadium will be $2 mil to the Eagles and $1.7 mil in game day cost. That's $4.7 million just to play 6 or so games each year in front of 26k fans per game. The anti-football professors will have a field day when they realize that.
The $2 mil was negotiated down from $3 mil. Additionally the Eagles still keep parking and 90% of concessions and Temple needs to pay a $12 mil upfront stadium improvement fee should Temple sign a long term lease of 30 years. I don't much blame the Eagles. They are a money making enterprise and they don't hide this fact. College football would have been lucrative for Temple had they made different decisions in the past. Our cross state buddies at Penn State have proven that college football can be a gold mine if done right.
So Temple has a choice, pay the Eagles or pay the neighborhood pols and activist. Nothing in life is free ... By the way the payments to the Eagles over a 30 year lease works out to $72 million. Imagine how much they will make off of parking and concessions over a 30 year period.

(03-14-2018 09:55 PM)KenneySense Wrote:  Wow, an anonymous guy who doesn't buy tickets and idolizes Michael Vick calling me a creep. Maybe it is time to re-evaluate.....time'sup. Luv Templ, just cant stand cheap ass imbeciles, feelin me MexicoRon.

Lost in Space, I maybe be an asshat but I am 100% sure Temple did not pay any monies up front. It was the whole bone of contention between the Eagles and Temple. Temple, with Rendell's help, landed a magnificent deal. They opened the stadium and played a meaningful game before the Eagles did....for just a million dollars !!!!

Ron Mexico knows his shitt