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What’s the purpose of ODU leaving CUSA? Does anyone think ODU would fare better come NCAA selection Sunday from the A10 vs CUSA? If ODU could beat Western Ky or MTSU, they’d be in the tournament. They’re a consistent 3rd place team because they can’t beat the Blue Raiders or Hilltoppers. I doubt ODU would finish higher in A10, maybe worst. I realize it costs a ton of cash to travel to Texas and other far-flung places in CUSA. IF a couple of like minded schools would join ODU to form a new conference that’d make sense from a travel standpoint, then you’d be onto something. But my optimal, mystical conference would include WKy, MTSU, UAB, Charlotte and Marshall from CUSA and a host of others including East Carolina and schools from Georgia — Ga State, Ga Southern — and maybe Temple and UConn from The American and then Hampton and James Madison, if those schools would like to step up. That’d make 12 schools. And less travel for each of them.
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I'm just spit balling here but I bet it's easier to land a recruit if we tell him he will be a bus ride to most away games and the conference tournament is in DC. It's not necessarily the opponents, that's part of it, but it would be a lot easier on the fans too. I honestly give much respect to our coaching staff being able to recruit kids and get them up to play against 4 Texas schools and only 3 of them care about basketball.

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(03-13-2018 11:21 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'm just spit balling here but I bet it's easier to land a recruit if we tell him he will be a bus ride to most away games and the conference tournament is in DC. It's not necessarily the opponents, that's part of it, but it would be a lot easier on the fans too. I honestly give much respect to our coaching staff being able to recruit kids and get them up to play against 4 Texas schools and only 3 of them care about basketball.

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I would bet kids would much rather take airplane rides to Texas (somewhere they might not be able to go otherwise) than ride in a bus for 5 hours. Part of the thinging is see how the kids react on twitter to Texas trips. What about bus rides do you think recruits would enjoy?
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(03-13-2018 11:07 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  What’s the purpose of ODU leaving CUSA? Does anyone think ODU would fare better come NCAA selection Sunday from the A10 vs CUSA? If ODU could beat Western Ky or MTSU, they’d be in the tournament. They’re a consistent 3rd place team because they can’t beat the Blue Raiders or Hilltoppers. I doubt ODU would finish higher in A10, maybe worst. I realize it costs a ton of cash to travel to Texas and other far-flung places in CUSA. IF a couple of like minded schools would join ODU to form a new conference that’d make sense from a travel standpoint, then you’d be onto something. But my optimal, mystical conference would include WKy, MTSU, UAB, Charlotte and Marshall from CUSA and a host of others including East Carolina and schools from Georgia — Ga State, Ga Southern — and maybe Temple and UConn from The American and then Hampton and James Madison, if those schools would like to step up. That’d make 12 schools. And less travel for each of them.

WKY, MTSU, UAB, and to a lesser extent Marshall are all part of the problem. Georgia schools don't help. They are not in our region and it really doesn't make a hill of beans worth of difference if we are driving 11.5 hours to Bowling Green, KY (that is what they make the basketball team do) or taking a 3.5 hour flight to Texas. Either way, we might as well ask to join the Mountain West. The only schools that make sense that play FBS are Charlotte, App State, Temple, ECU, Liberty and Navy. I'd add Coastal Carolina as well, but we are not all going to be a conference. Temple, Navy and ECU aren't going anywhere and nobody wants Liberty because of their bigotry. We can't even get JMU an invite and they are a decent school with a big budget. It is long past time to cut the losses.

As far as basketball goes, tournament team and A10 race whatever it may be, at least we can watch the Monarchs play in a lot of road games without having to sacrifice significant time or expense with a <5 hour drive (UR, VCU, GW, GMU, SJU, LaSalle, Davidson). The first 4 are in our region so many of these games will be on real actual TV. The conference tournament is usually in an easily accessible location, aside from the stretch when it was in Brooklyn. P5 teams still schedule A10 teams. Probably won't last much longer and the A10 at large bids are shrinking by the year, but at least if we do have a tournament team, we can make the dance or at least be in the conversation.

CUSA isn't a horrible conference (or wasn't this year), but the fan experience sucks. If you wanted to sacrifice basketball, the reason we joined was for football and we are now even struggling to get people to show up to those games.
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(03-13-2018 11:30 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 11:21 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I'm just spit balling here but I bet it's easier to land a recruit if we tell him he will be a bus ride to most away games and the conference tournament is in DC. It's not necessarily the opponents, that's part of it, but it would be a lot easier on the fans too. I honestly give much respect to our coaching staff being able to recruit kids and get them up to play against 4 Texas schools and only 3 of them care about basketball.

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I would bet kids would much rather take airplane rides to Texas (somewhere they might not be able to go otherwise) than ride in a bus for 5 hours. Part of the thinging is see how the kids react on twitter to Texas trips. What about bus rides do you think recruits would enjoy?

I'm sure they love the bus ride to Marshall and Western Kentucky and the ride to Murfreesboro and Birmingham. Sounds like a blast. Lets add one to Atlanta, Statesboro, and Little Rock ASAP.
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I get the love for FCS due to actual playoffs and it being funner than a random bowl game. However, I still want to stay FBS.
It's just a matter of time until JMU becomes FBS. I would hate to be in FCS when the likes of JMU, Liberty, and Coastal Carolina are FBS.
As for basketball, proximity and team recognition plays a huge part. So the A10 is perfect for us.
If we realistically won't be joining the AAC anytime soon, then A10 and FBS football somehow.
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(03-13-2018 09:51 AM)odu09 Wrote:  There might be enough FBS independents where we would just agree to put each other on the schedule each year. It's a dream, but I think it could work. I don't think ODU being in CUSA in particular is the reason we are able to schedule ACC opponents at home.

And it's also the exact same reason we can't schedule ACC basketball teams at home. The A-10 would give us the ability to do so. The reason we can schedule ACC football teams at home is based on our recruiting area and nothing more.
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(03-13-2018 11:07 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  What’s the purpose of ODU leaving CUSA? Does anyone think ODU would fare better come NCAA selection Sunday from the A10 vs CUSA? If ODU could beat Western Ky or MTSU, they’d be in the tournament.

Thats not true. WKU and MTSU didnt make the tournament either. So, if ODU had beaten them, we'd still have been out. Fact is, the first place team in CUSA doesn't even guarantee being in the NCAA, while in the A10 you can be the second and maybe even third place team and get in. So yes, I absolutely believe ODU would fare better (most seasons) on NCAA Selection Sunday in the A10.
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I voted the first option, mostly because a) stare decisis and b) it's the most direct path to the AAC, which I presume would be the runaway choice were it an option.

I think independent football in the Mid-Atlantic could be viable at some point, but not yet. If UConn works out a Big East/indy football deal, UMass and Liberty can make independence work over the long haul, JMU decides to push the NCAA to allow them to follow Liberty's path from FCS and a couple of established FBS schools decide that staking out on their own is better than maintaining their affiliation, then I think ODU could also do likewise if a) the A-10 was an stone cold lock of the century of the week, and b) the AAC is effectively an impossibility.

No options involving the CAA, either football or all-sports, are viable. Those days are over. You can't replicate prime-era CAA any more than you can recreate 80s Sun Belt.

A regional reconfigure would be a lot more palatable if at least some of the AAC schools are included. Otherwise, with a couple of exceptions, you're trading anonymous teams for closer anonymous teams. Are Troy, Coastal Carolina and South Alabama more palatable than North Texas, UTSA and UTEP? Even a best-of-the-two-conferences merger wouldn't be much of an improvement, if any at all. People here and elsewhere scream airport meeting! but the reality is that creating a conference from whole cloth isn't as simple as getting a core of unhappy presidents and ADs around a conference-room table and letting them hammer out the details—especially with an NCAA that is likely to allow for an 11th FBS conference or 33rd all-sports conference.

So, much as many here don't like to hear it, staying the course is the best of a flawed set of options. I'd take most of CUSA's programs over any of the Sun Belt's or MAC's, and I doubt ODU is going to be allowed to go to Realignment Chipotle and craft a conference out of their preferred schools.
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(03-13-2018 11:07 AM)eastcoastDave Wrote:  What’s the purpose of ODU leaving CUSA? Does anyone think ODU would fare better come NCAA selection Sunday from the A10 vs CUSA? If ODU could beat Western Ky or MTSU, they’d be in the tournament. They’re a consistent 3rd place team because they can’t beat the Blue Raiders or Hilltoppers. I doubt ODU would finish higher in A10, maybe worst. I realize it costs a ton of cash to travel to Texas and other far-flung places in CUSA. IF a couple of like minded schools would join ODU to form a new conference that’d make sense from a travel standpoint, then you’d be onto something. But my optimal, mystical conference would include WKy, MTSU, UAB, Charlotte and Marshall from CUSA and a host of others including East Carolina and schools from Georgia — Ga State, Ga Southern — and maybe Temple and UConn from The American and then Hampton and James Madison, if those schools would like to step up. That’d make 12 schools. And less travel for each of them.

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The AAC is a long-term impossibility... at least as is. The only way waiting works is if the AAC falls apart... in other words, Cinncinati and Houston bolt to the Big 12, which would spark UConn and then Memphis to go Big East/Independent and Navy to do whatever they want. At that point, the AAC, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt are all pretty much equal suck and three new conferences can emerge with Southern (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi), Western (Texas, OK, Louisiana, Arkansas), and Mid Atlantic (VA, WV, TN, KY, NC, SC, PA) schools. That would leave us with Temple, Coastal, App State, ECU, UNC-C, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU. It isn't the A10, but at least 7 out of the 10 would be relatively reachable away games and the Richmond Coliseum would be a logical tournament host. This is a good 10 years down the road and things will have to fall perfectly in place. I don't have the patience and Lil' Woody doesn't have the acumen to plot that course.
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Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of these options (or other realistic options) would generate the most outside revenue? The TV revenue was one of the big draws to CUSA. As we all know, that didn't last.
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(03-13-2018 01:46 PM)BluesTraveler Wrote:  Does anyone have any thoughts as to which of these options (or other realistic options) would generate the most outside revenue? The TV revenue was one of the big draws to CUSA. As we all know, that didn't last.

CUSA with the homerun of AAC has the most potential for revenue. I'd imagine a realignment with Sunbelt would be more of the same. A10 would be basketball only so probably not a lot there either, and I'm not sure how it works when you go Indy - do you work out your own TV contract?
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I voted for A10 basketball and Independent football.

I love basketball and the regional flavor of the A10. It would be like taking the best of the CAA glory days and putting it on steroids. Nothing beats those heated-rivalry conference games in February and the tournament. VCU, GMU, Richmond from the old days, plus Davidson and GW regionally and Dayton & Rhody every year would be awesome. I would be a very happy camper.

I think FB independence could work, especially if Liberty and UMASS stay independent. That would be 2 games per year on our schedule. Eventually, we could complete the slate with some combination of AAC schools (UVA, VT, UNC, NCST, Wake, Duke, Pitt), Big 10 (Maryland, Rutgers), AAC (Temple, ECU, Navy), CUSA (Charlotte, Marshall), Sun Belt (GSU, gSU) and IAA schools. It would take a long time to complete, since schedules are set so far in advance, but it would work. Besides, look how fast 10 years has gone by since we first started football.

The process in FB would be messy, but possible. Our recruiting area is our advantage. I think the advantage of scheduling name opponents at home, especially regional ones, would out-weigh the loss of bowl games. Besides, our CUSA bowl affiliations aren't anything to get excited about anyway.

I didn't vote for the AAC, because I believe the only reason they would expand is if they lost a number of key programs to the Big 12. Without Cincy, Memphis, Houston and maybe UCONN (Big East), would it really be that much different than our current CUSA?
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(03-13-2018 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The AAC is a long-term impossibility... at least as is. The only way waiting works is if the AAC falls apart... in other words, Cinncinati and Houston bolt to the Big 12, which would spark UConn and then Memphis to go Big East/Independent and Navy to do whatever they want. At that point, the AAC, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt are all pretty much equal suck and three new conferences can emerge with Southern (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi), Western (Texas, OK, Louisiana, Arkansas), and Mid Atlantic (VA, WV, TN, KY, NC, SC, PA) schools. That would leave us with Temple, Coastal, App State, ECU, UNC-C, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU. It isn't the A10, but at least 7 out of the 10 would be relatively reachable away games and the Richmond Coliseum would be a logical tournament host. This is a good 10 years down the road and things will have to fall perfectly in place. I don't have the patience and Lil' Woody doesn't have the acumen to plot that course.

Best-case AAC scenario for ODU is if they lose one school, say Cincinnati, to the Big 12 (which also adds a MWC school like Colorado State to get to 12). The AAC isn't incentivized to get back to 12 schools, and if they lost two then they'd stay at 10. But if they lose one or three, then they need to get back at least to an even number. ODU replaces Cincinnati, everything else stays the same—that's the most-ideal scenario, however implausible it may be.

But even a compromised AAC would be a step up. If they lost Cincy, Houston and UConn to the Big 12 and Big East, the other schools would still collectively be stronger than any of them would be independently. It's one thing to trade a CUSA and Sun Belt schedule for independence, but a rump AAC schedule would still be more attractive than a independent one, especially if they backfill successfully.
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(03-13-2018 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The AAC is a long-term impossibility... at least as is. The only way waiting works is if the AAC falls apart... in other words, Cinncinati and Houston bolt to the Big 12, which would spark UConn and then Memphis to go Big East/Independent and Navy to do whatever they want. At that point, the AAC, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt are all pretty much equal suck and three new conferences can emerge with Southern (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi), Western (Texas, OK, Louisiana, Arkansas), and Mid Atlantic (VA, WV, TN, KY, NC, SC, PA) schools. That would leave us with Temple, Coastal, App State, ECU, UNC-C, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU. It isn't the A10, but at least 7 out of the 10 would be relatively reachable away games and the Richmond Coliseum would be a logical tournament host. This is a good 10 years down the road and things will have to fall perfectly in place. I don't have the patience and Lil' Woody doesn't have the acumen to plot that course.

Best-case AAC scenario for ODU is if they lose one school, say Cincinnati, to the Big 12 (which also adds a MWC school like Colorado State to get to 12). The AAC isn't incentivized to get back to 12 schools, and if they lost two then they'd stay at 10. But if they lose one or three, then they need to get back at least to an even number. ODU replaces Cincinnati, everything else stays the same—that's the most-ideal scenario, however implausible it may be.

But even a compromised AAC would be a step up. If they lost Cincy, Houston and UConn to the Big 12 and Big East, the other schools would still collectively be stronger than any of them would be independently. It's one thing to trade a CUSA and Sun Belt schedule for independence, but a rump AAC schedule would still be more attractive than a independent one, especially if they backfill successfully.

Why would AAC add us over a team who has consistently proven to compete at a higher level, such as Middle Tennessee? Are we really the top option? A lot has to fall into place for us to move up
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(03-13-2018 02:14 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 02:08 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-13-2018 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The AAC is a long-term impossibility... at least as is. The only way waiting works is if the AAC falls apart... in other words, Cinncinati and Houston bolt to the Big 12, which would spark UConn and then Memphis to go Big East/Independent and Navy to do whatever they want. At that point, the AAC, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt are all pretty much equal suck and three new conferences can emerge with Southern (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi), Western (Texas, OK, Louisiana, Arkansas), and Mid Atlantic (VA, WV, TN, KY, NC, SC, PA) schools. That would leave us with Temple, Coastal, App State, ECU, UNC-C, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU. It isn't the A10, but at least 7 out of the 10 would be relatively reachable away games and the Richmond Coliseum would be a logical tournament host. This is a good 10 years down the road and things will have to fall perfectly in place. I don't have the patience and Lil' Woody doesn't have the acumen to plot that course.

Best-case AAC scenario for ODU is if they lose one school, say Cincinnati, to the Big 12 (which also adds a MWC school like Colorado State to get to 12). The AAC isn't incentivized to get back to 12 schools, and if they lost two then they'd stay at 10. But if they lose one or three, then they need to get back at least to an even number. ODU replaces Cincinnati, everything else stays the same—that's the most-ideal scenario, however implausible it may be.

But even a compromised AAC would be a step up. If they lost Cincy, Houston and UConn to the Big 12 and Big East, the other schools would still collectively be stronger than any of them would be independently. It's one thing to trade a CUSA and Sun Belt schedule for independence, but a rump AAC schedule would still be more attractive than a independent one, especially if they backfill successfully.

Why would AAC add us over a team who has consistently proven to compete at a higher level, such as Middle Tennessee? Are we really the top option? A lot has to fall into place for us to move up

Not to mention, if Cincy leaves, what is to keep UConn and Memphis sticking around? They might as well go to the Big East and go indy for football. Not like Memphis has any rivalries other than Cincy and UConn is a basketball school. The Big East only has 10 teams. They can easily accomodate. They may even be willing to take Wichita State as well.
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I would rather be right here thinking to myself " I wonder where our new AD is going to take us"
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(03-13-2018 02:14 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
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(03-13-2018 01:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  The AAC is a long-term impossibility... at least as is. The only way waiting works is if the AAC falls apart... in other words, Cinncinati and Houston bolt to the Big 12, which would spark UConn and then Memphis to go Big East/Independent and Navy to do whatever they want. At that point, the AAC, CUSA, MAC and Sunbelt are all pretty much equal suck and three new conferences can emerge with Southern (Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi), Western (Texas, OK, Louisiana, Arkansas), and Mid Atlantic (VA, WV, TN, KY, NC, SC, PA) schools. That would leave us with Temple, Coastal, App State, ECU, UNC-C, JMU, Liberty, Marshall, MTSU, WKU. It isn't the A10, but at least 7 out of the 10 would be relatively reachable away games and the Richmond Coliseum would be a logical tournament host. This is a good 10 years down the road and things will have to fall perfectly in place. I don't have the patience and Lil' Woody doesn't have the acumen to plot that course.

Best-case AAC scenario for ODU is if they lose one school, say Cincinnati, to the Big 12 (which also adds a MWC school like Colorado State to get to 12). The AAC isn't incentivized to get back to 12 schools, and if they lost two then they'd stay at 10. But if they lose one or three, then they need to get back at least to an even number. ODU replaces Cincinnati, everything else stays the same—that's the most-ideal scenario, however implausible it may be.

But even a compromised AAC would be a step up. If they lost Cincy, Houston and UConn to the Big 12 and Big East, the other schools would still collectively be stronger than any of them would be independently. It's one thing to trade a CUSA and Sun Belt schedule for independence, but a rump AAC schedule would still be more attractive than a independent one, especially if they backfill successfully.

Why would AAC add us over a team who has consistently proven to compete at a higher level, such as Middle Tennessee? Are we really the top option? A lot has to fall into place for us to move up

Same reason that CUSA picked ODU before Middle Tennessee. There's more to conference realignment than which school had better basketball and football in the past few years. I'm not saying Middle wouldn't be a viable candidate (though I'm not sure if Memphis would support them or try to block), but there's an awful lot of moving parts in conference realignment, and a lot of them produce encouraging results for ODU (lack of bowl game and NCAA trip this year notwithstanding).
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(03-13-2018 07:57 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I voted A10 basketball, CAA football. I could live with realignment if it included JMU and Liberty and we could get at least 2 more CAA schools to go FBS, preferably W&M and Richmond. There are no Sunbelt schools I am interested in being in a conference with except maybe App State. If the point is a regional conference, they are the only one in our region. Technically they aren't even in our region since we are in the Washington region so our games with them won't get interest from CSN or MASN, but at least it is drivable so I'll count it. I could live with indy football as well, but I'd rather have the regional rivals.

Screw the CAA, im not going back to play Stony Brook.

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