(03-12-2018 01:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:47 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Tillerson, by all accounts, has surprisingly been one of the few in this administration that has actually done things somewhat above board!

you say the same about Cankles?

Why, did she profit personally from being SOS?

No, not a dime, as she uses Clinton Foundation Funds to fly around the world, stay in the finest hotels, eat at the finest restaurants, rub elbows with more foundation donors, etc etc etc.

Source?

Quote:On its 2013 tax forms, the most recent available, the foundation claimed it spent $30 million on payroll and employee benefits; $8.7 million in rent and office expenses; $9.2 million on “conferences, conventions and meetings”; $8 million on fundraising; and nearly $8.5 million on travel. None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation.

In all, the group reported $84.6 million in “functional expenses” on its 2013 tax return and had more than $64 million left over — money the organization has said represents pledges rather than actual cash on hand.

Indeed, Form 990 shows that the Clintons used the money raised by the foundation to pay for their travel expenses, which included "travel by charter or in first class."

"The Clintons get nothing from the foundation except free travel on chartered jets and first-class airline seats and hotel stays and, oh yes, control over a giant operating budget to steer to the charities and good causes that they prefer," writes National Review's Jim Geraghty. "Practically nothing!"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8561/7-th...on-bandler

There are many other sources Tom. This stuff has been written about for years, and not denied by the Clintons. Probably all perfectly legal I suspect, but mentioned by me because of your sudden aversion to campaign donors asking for special favors. Frankly, if nothing about the Clinton Foundation smells to you, then I have to be suspect of the chagrin expressed in your original post.

I didn't read the article... Did DJT Jr make a Uranium deal?

Same article:

Quote:Even "nonprofit experts" are skeptical about the Clinton Foundation's status as a charity, via the New York Post:

Charity Navigator, which rates nonprofits, recently refused to rate the Clinton Foundation because its “atypical business model . . . doesn’t meet our criteria.”

Charity Navigator put the foundation on its “watch list,” which warns potential donors about investing in problematic charities. The 23 charities on the list include the Rev. Al Sharpton’s troubled National Action Network, which is cited for failing to pay payroll taxes for several years.

Other nonprofit experts are asking hard questions about the Clinton Foundation’s tax filings in the wake of recent reports that the Clintons traded influence for donations.

“It seems like the Clinton Foundation operates as a slush fund for the Clintons,” said Bill Allison, a senior fellow at the Sunlight Foundation, a government watchdog group where progressive Democrat and Fordham Law professor Zephyr Teachout was once an organizing director.

(03-12-2018 01:43 PM)tennis2k4 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 01:32 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 01:23 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 01:21 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  AP writer Jake Pearson, his twitter feed is all anti Trump junk. They don't even try to hide it anymore.

The AP is fake news, and was fooled by 4chan into reporting that the florida shooter was a member of a white supremacist organization, then refused to retract.

Yep just a bunch of clowns mainly retweeting each other, pathetic.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/parkl...872bafe4af
He wasn't part of the white supremacist organization but probably could of ran his own chapter.

"could have RUN his own chapter". ...and you want to edumacate us?

He's a literal guy.

(03-12-2018 05:21 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 01:49 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:50 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:48 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:47 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  you say the same about Cankles?

Why, did she profit personally from being SOS?

No, not a dime, as she uses Clinton Foundation Funds to fly around the world, stay in the finest hotels, eat at the finest restaurants, rub elbows with more foundation donors, etc etc etc.

Source?

Quote:On its 2013 tax forms, the most recent available, the foundation claimed it spent $30 million on payroll and employee benefits; $8.7 million in rent and office expenses; $9.2 million on “conferences, conventions and meetings”; $8 million on fundraising; and nearly $8.5 million on travel. None of the Clintons is on the payroll, but they do enjoy first-class flights paid for by the foundation.

In all, the group reported $84.6 million in “functional expenses” on its 2013 tax return and had more than $64 million left over — money the organization has said represents pledges rather than actual cash on hand.

Indeed, Form 990 shows that the Clintons used the money raised by the foundation to pay for their travel expenses, which included "travel by charter or in first class."

"The Clintons get nothing from the foundation except free travel on chartered jets and first-class airline seats and hotel stays and, oh yes, control over a giant operating budget to steer to the charities and good causes that they prefer," writes National Review's Jim Geraghty. "Practically nothing!"

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8561/7-th...on-bandler

There are many other sources Tom. This stuff has been written about for years, and not denied by the Clintons. Probably all perfectly legal I suspect, but mentioned by me because of your sudden aversion to campaign donors asking for special favors. Frankly, if nothing about the Clinton Foundation smells to you, then I have to be suspect of the chagrin expressed in your original post.

Right...it's their foundation...and they would likely raise next no no money if it weren't Bill and Hillary doing the travel and the fundraising. I suppose you're expecting a former president to fly coach and stay at Motel 6? C'mon man.

Now, do you have anything that says their travel paid for by the foundation was not for foundation purposes?

(03-12-2018 05:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 02:22 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Clinton Foundation’s total EXPENSES for 2014 (that’s 2014 mind you) were right at $250,000,000. Quite a lot for expenses I’d say. Must have been a lot left for giving. BTW they are always comparing Trump’s philanthropy to the Clintons. Funny but I believe Trump earned his fortune the old fashioned way. How did the Clintons become so rich in ‘public service’.

You have a link for that?

And you see...for the Clinton's, we actually know where they make their money because they release their tax returns. Still waiting to see trump's.

And per my research, you're WAY off on your reported expenses.

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...12_990.pdf

So what do their tax returns tell you about how they make their money?

You're unfamiliar with a 1040 tax return? They take no salary from the foundation.

(03-13-2018 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 05:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 02:22 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Clinton Foundation’s total EXPENSES for 2014 (that’s 2014 mind you) were right at $250,000,000. Quite a lot for expenses I’d say. Must have been a lot left for giving. BTW they are always comparing Trump’s philanthropy to the Clintons. Funny but I believe Trump earned his fortune the old fashioned way. How did the Clintons become so rich in ‘public service’.

You have a link for that?
And you see...for the Clinton's, we actually know where they make their money because they release their tax returns. Still waiting to see trump's.
And per my research, you're WAY off on your reported expenses.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...12_990.pdf

So what do their tax returns tell you about how they make their money?

You're unfamiliar with a 1040 tax return? They take no salary from the foundation.

Yes, you know that I am very familiar with 1040s and all the rest.

Your comment was that we actually know where they make their money because we can see their tax returns. So I asked what do those tax returns tell us about where they make their money. And you responded that they tame no salary from the Foundation. My question was not whee they don't make their money but where from the remaining universe of sources do they. And the Foundation could compensate them for expenses that were ordinary and necessary to the business of the Foundation without having to report that as income. So how much of that happens and how ordinary and necessary are those expenses, and where are they reported on a 1040 (hint: they aren't)?

(03-13-2018 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 05:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 02:22 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  Clinton Foundation’s total EXPENSES for 2014 (that’s 2014 mind you) were right at $250,000,000. Quite a lot for expenses I’d say. Must have been a lot left for giving. BTW they are always comparing Trump’s philanthropy to the Clintons. Funny but I believe Trump earned his fortune the old fashioned way. How did the Clintons become so rich in ‘public service’.

You have a link for that?
And you see...for the Clinton's, we actually know where they make their money because they release their tax returns. Still waiting to see trump's.
And per my research, you're WAY off on your reported expenses.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...12_990.pdf

So what do their tax returns tell you about how they make their money?

You're unfamiliar with a 1040 tax return? They take no salary from the foundation.

Yes, you know that I am very familiar with 1040s and all the rest.

Your comment was that we actually know where they make their money because we can see their tax returns. So I asked what do those tax returns tell us about where they make their money. And you responded that they tame no salary from the Foundation. My question was not whee they don't make their money but where from the remaining universe of sources do they. And the Foundation could compensate them for expenses that were ordinary and necessary to the business of the Foundation without having to report that as income. So how much of that happens and how ordinary and necessary are those expenses, and where are they reported on a 1040 (hint: they aren't)?

Right. So?

They get paid in travel, lodging and meals...all the while making money for various charities. Oh...the humanity.

(03-13-2018 12:16 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 11:35 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 05:13 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 03:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  You have a link for that?
And you see...for the Clinton's, we actually know where they make their money because they release their tax returns. Still waiting to see trump's.
And per my research, you're WAY off on your reported expenses.
http://990s.foundationcenter.org/990_pdf...12_990.pdf

So what do their tax returns tell you about how they make their money?

You're unfamiliar with a 1040 tax return? They take no salary from the foundation.

Yes, you know that I am very familiar with 1040s and all the rest.
Your comment was that we actually know where they make their money because we can see their tax returns. So I asked what do those tax returns tell us about where they make their money. And you responded that they tame no salary from the Foundation. My question was not whee they don't make their money but where from the remaining universe of sources do they. And the Foundation could compensate them for expenses that were ordinary and necessary to the business of the Foundation without having to report that as income. So how much of that happens and how ordinary and necessary are those expenses, and where are they reported on a 1040 (hint: they aren't)?

Right. So?
They get paid in travel, lodging and meals...all the while making money for various charities. Oh...the humanity.

Your comment was that we could know where their compensation comes from because they released their 1040s. My question is, so where did they get paid? And where is that on their 1040? You know as well as I do that the rich and powerful have lots of ways to get compensated that don't make it through to 1040s. They can basically have a lavish lifestyle for free.

And they get travel--coach, first class, or private charter? And they get lodging--Motel 6 to the Ritz? And they get meals--McDonald's, Ruth's Chris, to private caterers? And every bit of that is things they need but get without spending a dime out of their own pockets.

So tell us again, exactly where on their 1040s do we see this? That was my point.

Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

(03-13-2018 12:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

Show me something concrete and I'll be concerned. There is nothing concrete that I've seen. And no, that Clinton Cash rag was not concrete.

(03-13-2018 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

Show me something concrete and I'll be concerned. There is nothing concrete that I've seen. And no, that Clinton Cash rag was not concrete.

Like I said, compare the depth and breath of the millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS to your original post here, that's all I ask. This is a rare case where I believe you're totally full of shyte and exhibiting malleable princples. That's fine, as a liberal, you certainly have that right.

(03-13-2018 12:51 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

Show me something concrete and I'll be concerned. There is nothing concrete that I've seen. And no, that Clinton Cash rag was not concrete.

Like I said, compare the depth and breath of the millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS to your original post here, that's all I ask. This is a rare case where I believe you're totally full of shyte and exhibiting malleable princples. That's fine, as a liberal, you certainly have that right.

That in no way means there was any quid pro quo. Hillary took no salary from the foundation then or ever...and she certainly wasn't making any bank on foundation travel or meals as that would have all been on the govt dime. Not to mention monies donated to the foundation by and large went to worthy charitable causes.

Show me some decision she made to favor any donors? And no, Uranium 1 was not one of them.

All I ask is for evidence. If it's credible, I'll gladly condemn. Talk about a witch hunt (no pun intended)! This decades long attempt to smear Hillary has been nothing short of ridiculous.

(03-13-2018 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:51 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

Show me something concrete and I'll be concerned. There is nothing concrete that I've seen. And no, that Clinton Cash rag was not concrete.

Like I said, compare the depth and breath of the millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS to your original post here, that's all I ask. This is a rare case where I believe you're totally full of shyte and exhibiting malleable princples. That's fine, as a liberal, you certainly have that right.

That in no way means there was any quid pro quo. Hillary took no salary from the foundation then or ever...and she certainly wasn't making any bank on foundation travel or meals as that would have all been on the govt dime. Not to mention monies donated to the foundation by and large went to worthy charitable causes.

Show me some decision she made to favor any donors? And no, Uranium 1 was not one of them.

All I ask is for evidence. If it's credible, I'll gladly condemn. Talk about a witch hunt (no pun intended)! This decades long attempt to smear Hillary has been nothing short of ridiculous.

I guess Hillary shipped $100 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia based on their strong human/women's/gay rights record instead of their $10-25 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation?

(03-13-2018 09:53 PM)BlazerFan11 Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:51 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 12:41 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  Again Tom, if money piling into the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS doesn't cause you a bit of concern, then I have to question how serious you were in your original post.

If you're interested, the info's out there, all the smelly deals while she was SOS with obvious quid pro quo for donations.

This is a case where I'm afraid you're guilty of exactly what you accuse others of doing......looking the other way while your team gets away with murder.

Show me something concrete and I'll be concerned. There is nothing concrete that I've seen. And no, that Clinton Cash rag was not concrete.

Like I said, compare the depth and breath of the millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation while Cankles was SOS to your original post here, that's all I ask. This is a rare case where I believe you're totally full of shyte and exhibiting malleable princples. That's fine, as a liberal, you certainly have that right.

That in no way means there was any quid pro quo. Hillary took no salary from the foundation then or ever...and she certainly wasn't making any bank on foundation travel or meals as that would have all been on the govt dime. Not to mention monies donated to the foundation by and large went to worthy charitable causes.

Show me some decision she made to favor any donors? And no, Uranium 1 was not one of them.

All I ask is for evidence. If it's credible, I'll gladly condemn. Talk about a witch hunt (no pun intended)! This decades long attempt to smear Hillary has been nothing short of ridiculous.

I guess Hillary shipped $100 billion in weapons to Saudi Arabia based on their strong human/women's/gay rights record instead of their $10-25 million in donations to the Clinton Foundation?

Link please...so we can further discuss. Thanks.