(03-12-2018 01:09 PM)odu09 Wrote:  We're back to the argument of dropping schools again? How did that thread turn out when it was focused on football? One of the "dropouts" won the whole thing? Hhmm.

Don't know why this even comes up. You can fall and rise in an instant. C'mon.

clt points out that Davidson is a smaller town yes, but it is in a county of over 1M and region of over 2.5M

(03-12-2018 12:00 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im not sure its possible to schedule a tougher non conference than MTSU did (at our level). If that isn't good enough, what good does it serve? A 3 seed in the NIT?

Marshall has:
Washington State
Gonzaga
Virginia
Maryland
Utah/Creighton

Next year, Virginia, Maryland, Utah/Creighton will be a tourney, possibly the Bahamas.

The thing that needs to happen and has needed to happen for years but won't, is that schools with a losing record in their conference should be automatically excluded from the NCAA and NIT now that the NIT is run by the NCAA. This would take the talk out of should or shouldn't schools like this years Syracuse and Oklahoma be in or out.

Seriously why should a power team be able to buy 16 of 18 OOC games load up on 14-16 wins, then end up 5-13 in conference and make the NCAA or NIT with 17-19 wins.

(03-12-2018 06:19 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:00 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im not sure its possible to schedule a tougher non conference than MTSU did (at our level). If that isn't good enough, what good does it serve? A 3 seed in the NIT?

Marshall has:
Washington State
Gonzaga
Virginia
Maryland
Utah/Creighton

Next year, Virginia, Maryland, Utah/Creighton will be a tourney, possibly the Bahamas.

The thing that needs to happen and has needed to happen for years but won't, is that schools with a losing record in their conference should be automatically excluded from the NCAA and NIT now that the NIT is run by the NCAA. This would take the talk out of should or shouldn't schools like this years Syracuse and Oklahoma be in or out.

Seriously why should a power team be able to buy 16 of 18 OOC games load up on 14-16 wins, then end up 5-13 in conference and make the NCAA or NIT with 17-19 wins.

You guys better win all those games if you expect to get back in the tournamnet if you slip up in the CUSA tournament. That is essentially what the committee tols us this year.

Yep, need to win 4 out of 5 and one of the wins has to be against UVA.

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(03-12-2018 04:12 PM)Noodles Wrote:  58-56 is the voice of reason here.

Thank you. Don't see that line very often.

Here's the key point: any action has to be something we can do. Not "we" as in the university administrations, athletic departments or basketball staffs, or the CUSA office. "We" as in the humans, bots and aliens behind the keyboard/touchscreen.

It's fine to rant about better scheduling, but I don't schedule for UAB. I don't set up the conference tournament, nor do I negotiate TV/streaming contracts.

So the first question is, "what can we actually do." And the answer is, "a lot." Into evidence I'll introduce the existence of UAB football.

We are powerful, when we wish to be so.

The solution is to not go from having a bid wrapped up to dropping your final two games to non-tournament teams.

clt says the NCAA tourney is a tv show. We need buzz.

FAU has buzz in cfb. clt thought WKU would do the same in MBB this year.

(03-13-2018 01:32 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The solution is to not go from having a bid wrapped up to dropping your final game to a non-tournament team.

FIFY

(03-13-2018 08:20 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 01:32 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The solution is to not go from having a bid wrapped up to dropping your final game to a non-tournament team.

FIFY

We should be pissed at MTSU for losing to USM! Doesn't matter who they beat or didn't beat OOC, they went into the CUSA tournament and was winless, getting knocked out by USM. A team that went 16-18 for the season.

(03-12-2018 10:22 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 09:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Normally, yes...it sounds obvious. However in the case of MTSU, what else could they do? They scheduled 6 OOC "Power Teams" and 8 away matchups OOC.

Aside from having no home OOC games, what else could they have done?

I hate saying it, because I want a united CUSA, but let's get real. We may need to start trimming teams.

Charlotte has been a complete bust. Rice is totally non competitive. UTEP is super down.

Aside from Football, the Florida schools aren't helping. There's a lot of improvement we need to make in house. If the schools at our bottom make improvements, that's a start, because realistically, our bottom schools aren't going anywhere.

We should drop the schools who have maxed in there history and will never be beyond anything they are now. Marshall, La Tech, USM. Thy are dead weight and expect everyone around them to raise the profile of the conference so they can ride the coattails.

I know it must be hard, being a FAU fan and your history, but do you even pay attention to college sports at all? What tournament is FAU men's or women's basketball playing in this season? You've contributed 1 good season in a sport since joining this league. The day Marshall, LaTech and USM ride FAU's coattails will be a great day for this league.

Also, the CUSA website sucks. They show WKU beating Marshall 67-66.
http://conferenceusa.com/tournaments/?id=371

(03-12-2018 08:42 PM)MT FAN Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 06:19 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 12:00 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Im not sure its possible to schedule a tougher non conference than MTSU did (at our level). If that isn't good enough, what good does it serve? A 3 seed in the NIT?

Marshall has:
Washington State
Gonzaga
Virginia
Maryland
Utah/Creighton

Next year, Virginia, Maryland, Utah/Creighton will be a tourney, possibly the Bahamas.

The thing that needs to happen and has needed to happen for years but won't, is that schools with a losing record in their conference should be automatically excluded from the NCAA and NIT now that the NIT is run by the NCAA. This would take the talk out of should or shouldn't schools like this years Syracuse and Oklahoma be in or out.

Seriously why should a power team be able to buy 16 of 18 OOC games load up on 14-16 wins, then end up 5-13 in conference and make the NCAA or NIT with 17-19 wins.

You guys better win all those games if you expect to get back in the tournamnet if you slip up in the CUSA tournament. That is essentially what the committee tols us this year.

No, they just need to win SOME of them. Not all. MTSU lost all of it's meaningful games this year (see original post).

This is what people are failing to realize. You have to win those close games against good competition, not just play them. Besides Murray State, MTSU didn't have any meaningful OOC wins...you don't get credit just for scheduling good teams. Gotta beat them. Or some of them at least. MTSU failed to do that this year.

(03-12-2018 09:24 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  It's not just CUSA.....it's anyone not in the P5. And let's be honest, there is no real solution. This **** is rigged beyond our wildest dreams.

Middle could've beaten Kansas in their OOC and still wouldn't have received a bid

Here’s how each multi-bid conference fared on Selection Sunday:
9 – ACC
8 – SEC
7 – Big 12
6 – Big East
4 – Big Ten
3 – American
3 – Atlantic 10
3 – Pac-12
2 – Mountain West
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(03-13-2018 12:07 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 10:22 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 09:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Normally, yes...it sounds obvious. However in the case of MTSU, what else could they do? They scheduled 6 OOC "Power Teams" and 8 away matchups OOC.

Aside from having no home OOC games, what else could they have done?

I hate saying it, because I want a united CUSA, but let's get real. We may need to start trimming teams.

Charlotte has been a complete bust. Rice is totally non competitive. UTEP is super down.

Aside from Football, the Florida schools aren't helping. There's a lot of improvement we need to make in house. If the schools at our bottom make improvements, that's a start, because realistically, our bottom schools aren't going anywhere.

We should drop the schools who have maxed in there history and will never be beyond anything they are now. Marshall, La Tech, USM. Thy are dead weight and expect everyone around them to raise the profile of the conference so they can ride the coattails.

I know it must be hard, being a FAU fan and your history, but do you even pay attention to college sports at all? What tournament is FAU men's or women's basketball playing in this season? You've contributed 1 good season in a sport since joining this league. The day Marshall, LaTech and USM ride FAU's coattails will be a great day for this league.

Also, the CUSA website sucks. They show WKU beating Marshall 67-66.
http://conferenceusa.com/tournaments/?id=371

They did... In football... In 2014..

(03-13-2018 12:07 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 10:22 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 09:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Normally, yes...it sounds obvious. However in the case of MTSU, what else could they do? They scheduled 6 OOC "Power Teams" and 8 away matchups OOC.

Aside from having no home OOC games, what else could they have done?

I hate saying it, because I want a united CUSA, but let's get real. We may need to start trimming teams.

Charlotte has been a complete bust. Rice is totally non competitive. UTEP is super down.

Aside from Football, the Florida schools aren't helping. There's a lot of improvement we need to make in house. If the schools at our bottom make improvements, that's a start, because realistically, our bottom schools aren't going anywhere.

We should drop the schools who have maxed in there history and will never be beyond anything they are now. Marshall, La Tech, USM. Thy are dead weight and expect everyone around them to raise the profile of the conference so they can ride the coattails.

I know it must be hard, being a FAU fan and your history, but do you even pay attention to college sports at all? What tournament is FAU men's or women's basketball playing in this season? You've contributed 1 good season in a sport since joining this league. The day Marshall, LaTech and USM ride FAU's coattails will be a great day for this league.

Also, the CUSA website sucks. They show WKU beating Marshall 67-66.
http://conferenceusa.com/tournaments/?id=371

Wow... Sometimes the ineptness of this conference on the administrative level is just head scratching.

(03-13-2018 12:07 PM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 10:22 AM)owlcountry40 Wrote:  

(03-12-2018 09:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Normally, yes...it sounds obvious. However in the case of MTSU, what else could they do? They scheduled 6 OOC "Power Teams" and 8 away matchups OOC.

Aside from having no home OOC games, what else could they have done?

I hate saying it, because I want a united CUSA, but let's get real. We may need to start trimming teams.

Charlotte has been a complete bust. Rice is totally non competitive. UTEP is super down.

Aside from Football, the Florida schools aren't helping. There's a lot of improvement we need to make in house. If the schools at our bottom make improvements, that's a start, because realistically, our bottom schools aren't going anywhere.

We should drop the schools who have maxed in there history and will never be beyond anything they are now. Marshall, La Tech, USM. Thy are dead weight and expect everyone around them to raise the profile of the conference so they can ride the coattails.

I know it must be hard, being a FAU fan and your history, but do you even pay attention to college sports at all? What tournament is FAU men's or women's basketball playing in this season? You've contributed 1 good season in a sport since joining this league. The day Marshall, LaTech and USM ride FAU's coattails will be a great day for this league.

Also, the CUSA website sucks. They show WKU beating Marshall 67-66.
http://conferenceusa.com/tournaments/?id=371

We have had a football program that is younger than freshmen in college now and we are already snatching your coaches.
Any of our programs could be the same story if we continue to invest like we do right now.

USM, La Tech, Marshall are nice programs, but who have all hit their ceilings nationally.
Your fans on this forum complain more than anyone else about how the other schools are performing because you know you need other schools to raise the conference profile to benefit you. Your ceilings are simply not good enough.

I bet if I go 10 years back in this forum I can find you guys had the same things to say to UCF fans and now they have done more growth in national relevance than USM, Marshall and La Tech have done combined in the last 100 years.

By the way, our "ceiling" apparently is averaging an FBS conference title every three years, having a Top 25 finish every recruiting class, being the NCAA's best bowl winning percentage and basically winning a bowl game every year.

And I have yet to see UCF fundamentally accomplish anything athletically that Marshall hasn't. Win against #7? We beat a #6 that was a BCS conference champion. Go undefeated and have an angle to say you're a more deserving national champion? Yeah, we got one of those too. Heisman candidates? We have more. Crowds of 40k? Check. Other than "post two winless FBS seasons" and "be in the AAC", I don't see where you're going with that line of thinking...

(03-13-2018 11:54 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 08:20 AM)rileylives Wrote:  

(03-13-2018 01:32 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  The solution is to not go from having a bid wrapped up to dropping your final game to a non-tournament team.

FIFY

We should be pissed at MTSU for losing to USM! Doesn't matter who they beat or didn't beat OOC, they went into the CUSA tournament and was winless, getting knocked out by USM. A team that went 16-18 for the season.

We could have went to the finals and still would not have gotten in as an at large.

The committee practically came right out and said it that they didn't want us or anyone like us.

Is this what one good football season does to a person because... dang.

(03-12-2018 09:44 AM)rileylives Wrote:  Normally, yes...it sounds obvious. However in the case of MTSU, what else could they do? They scheduled 6 OOC "Power Teams" and 8 away matchups OOC.

Aside from having no home OOC games, what else could they have done?

I hate saying it, because I want a united CUSA, but let's get real. We may need to start trimming teams.

Charlotte has been a complete bust. Rice is totally non competitive. UTEP is super down.

Aside from Football, the Florida schools aren't helping. There's a lot of improvement we need to make in house. If the schools at our bottom make improvements, that's a start, because realistically, our bottom schools aren't going anywhere.

You are not wrong, but Charlotte has just pushed all its chips into the middle of the table. We are trying to be what everyone thought we could be.

http://floridagators.com/news/2018/3/9/c...print.aspx