(03-11-2018 09:01 PM)MUther Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 07:03 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  If you are not from a power conference it means absolutely nothing what you do during the seasont. Might as well pad you win column with a bunch of jablowmes and focus all your effort on winning the conference tournament.

The committee has laid out the footprint for years on how to get in. From year to year those criteria evolve but they mostly have similar characteristics. The past few years it trendy critea has been go out and schedule and win road games. No one took that to heart and did that more than MT. It didn't matter.

Most programs from non power conferences either can't (for any number of variables) or don't really try to do what the committee asks. MT did. But it doesn't matter. It's all lies and BS. Oklahoma and Alabama played one true road game out of conference. One. MT won four OOC road games. Doesn't matter. What has to be the most disheartening for Kermit, staff, etc., is the amount of effort that they put into developing an NCAA tournament resume during the regular season. But it doesn't matter.

Probably the biggest indictment on this whole process is that they had St Bonaventure as one of the last four in. Ridiculous. That really tells you all you need to know.

You stated that Marshall fans knew nothing about basketball. Well we knew that the secret to CUSA is to get at least 4th seed for a bye and win the tournament. Because we knew it's a one bid league no matter what else you do. Glad you finally caught up. Day late and dollar short, but welcome.

Yeah....you sure knew it while you were sitting at home for 30 years.

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(03-11-2018 08:30 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 08:10 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  20+ years ago Ralph Willard got us an at-large and our record was something like 20-9.

I fondly remember those old Sun Belt days. Regular 2,3 bids each year for an 8-10 team league.

Willard got WKU into the Dance a couple of times then left for Big East/Pittsburgh. That didn’t turn out too well for him.

One year I remember in the old Sun Belt getting
4 teams in, one in each region.
Who is on these freaking committees and
How many from non power conferences
I know the football playoff
Committee has zero reps from the G5 even though
The G5 make up one half of FBS.

I don't know how all of the non power schools
Put up with such a skewed system

What they are doing is taking our TV money away , decreasing our chances to earn basketball credits and making sure even an undefeated G5 football team never makes the 4 team playoff

It will soon be too expensive to compete and
That will be it

Sad sick crap.

At what point does it become a monopoly ?

Cathartic this is not. Time to put down my electronic device weapon (EDW for short)...

It wasn't much of a surprise that Middle Tennessee missed the tournament. By the time San Diego State and Davidson had stolen bids from the bubble, most of us had given up hope of seeing the Blue Raiders in the field.

That doesn't mean they didn't get screwed, though.

MTSU scheduled about as aggressively as any team in the country. It won road games against Murray State, Vanderbilt and Florida Gulf Coast. It also won a home game against Dunk City, as well as a home game against Ole Miss. MTSU played in the Diamond Head Classic and almost scored neutral-court wins over both USC and Miami. It also almost won a "neutral-court" contest against Auburn in Alabama.

All told, aside from a season-opener against non-D-I Trevecca Nazarene, the Blue Raiders did not play a single nonconference game against a team outside the KenPom.com top 200, and six of those 11 games were against teams in the top 90.

They did exactly what the selection committee has always implicitly told mid-major teams to do: Put together a tough nonconference schedule, play well against it and don't drop too many bad games in conference play.

Despite a bad loss to Southern Miss in the Conference USA quarterfinals, there's no question the Blue Raiders checked off all of those boxes.

And they weren't even on the list of the first four teams out of the field.

Again, this isn't surprising. It's just the way it is. This system is built to keep good mid-majors out of the field if they don't win their conference tournament. And it isn't fair.

-Bleacher Report

(03-11-2018 09:42 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  At what point does it become a monopoly ?

This is what I was thinking. Basketball might need to have it's version of the Utah BCS lawsuit.

Best RPI teams left out of the tourney...... MT, USC, L'ville, WkU

And if MT and WKU win in the first round of the NIT, we must go to L'ville and USC respectively.

Anyone think that if Louisville did not have the FBI issues, that they would've been left out ? Not a chance

And you can bet your bottom dollar that Louisville vetoed playing Western, sending them out to Cali for the Second Round.

It’s time for the rest of the conferences to lawyer up.

I'm sure the committee justified the snub by arguing that MTSU's worst loss came in the final game as part of a two game losing streak but I sure as hell would have voted MTSU in if I were on the committee.

The bulk of a school's schedule is beyond their control. You can't just say well I think I'll play an ACC schedule this year. One bad loss shouldn't sink a team just because you don't regard the 19 to 22 games a school must play in the conference and conference tournament as highly as you regard the Big East.

MT sure did drop a long way with 2 consecutive losses to end the year.

From Top 25 and dominating win over a good WKU team, to #3 seed in the NIT.

Does MT even get in the NIT without winning the regulars season title ? You have to wonder.

MT had won 11 straight prior to the two losses (7 by double-figure margins).

I really wonder if Judy isn't being blackballed. I mean, all G5 / non-P5 conferences suffer, but it feels like we are singled out sometimes.
Has she ruined us? Is ESPN still pissed at us, even though they have a contract now with most of the offending parties, who have moved on to the AAC. I just can't fathom how badly we are treated. Is it just bad luck?

Oklahoma and Texas compared to Middle and Western tells me everything I need to know about P5 bias.

There's no way Middle shouldn't have been in the NCAA under any semblance of a legitimate selection process. Of course we don't have one of those, so it is what it is.

Just like UCF not even being seriously mentioned for inclusion in the CFB playoff, the system is very specifically designed to focus money to as few conferences and teams as possible so the status quo can be maintained.

Just think of the financial difference for this conference if we could get 2-3 teams in the tournament each year and got at least one of those to the Sweet 16. Every win is worth about $1.9 million, almost as much as our "TV" contract. Of course that would be money out of the Big 12 pocket, so that can't happen. So they throw in an Oklahoma team that has barely won a game since the start of February.

It's blatant, and there's not a damned thing we can do.

(03-11-2018 10:57 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I really wonder if Judy isn't being blackballed. I mean, all G5 / non-P5 conferences suffer, but it feels like we are singled out sometimes.
Has she ruined us? Is ESPN still pissed at us, even though they have a contract now with most of the offending parties, who have moved on to the AAC. I just can't fathom how badly we are treated. Is it just bad luck?

some history

2006 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to UAB
2007 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2008 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2009 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2010 - auto-bid to Houston; at-large bid to UTEP
2011 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to UAB
2012 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to Southern Miss
2013 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2014 - auto-bid to Tulsa; zero at-large bids
2015 - auto-bid to UAB; zero at-large bids
[October 2015: Judy MacLeod named C-USA Commissioner]
2016 - auto-bid to MTSU; zero at-large bids
2017 - auto-bid to MTSU; zero at-large bids
2018 - auto-bid to Marshall; zero at-large bids

conclusion: Judy hasn’t made us better and hasn’t made us worse either

Maybe over time, with the core of the population moving South........... our teams and schools will prosper due to the enormous growth of athletic talent in our areas............ and wealth that new creation of jobs will bring.

That is our only hope......... longterm

Every year the talking heads on every major network laud the parity in college basketball, yet every year the selection committee refuses to even acknowledge at larges from smaller conferences. At which point all the talking heads bash programs left out because of conference strength, RPI, or SOS. It’s all a damn joke, and corrupt to the point that a criminal investigation is warranted.

(03-11-2018 11:42 PM)Cardiff Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 10:57 PM)Noodles Wrote:  I really wonder if Judy isn't being blackballed. I mean, all G5 / non-P5 conferences suffer, but it feels like we are singled out sometimes.
Has she ruined us? Is ESPN still pissed at us, even though they have a contract now with most of the offending parties, who have moved on to the AAC. I just can't fathom how badly we are treated. Is it just bad luck?

some history

2006 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to UAB
2007 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2008 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2009 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2010 - auto-bid to Houston; at-large bid to UTEP
2011 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to UAB
2012 - auto-bid to Memphis; at-large bid to Southern Miss
2013 - auto-bid to Memphis; zero at-large bids
2014 - auto-bid to Tulsa; zero at-large bids
2015 - auto-bid to UAB; zero at-large bids
[October 2015: Judy MacLeod named C-USA Commissioner]
2016 - auto-bid to MTSU; zero at-large bids
2017 - auto-bid to MTSU; zero at-large bids
2018 - auto-bid to Marshall; zero at-large bids

conclusion: Judy hasn’t made us better and hasn’t made us worse either

That could not have been too much fun with Memphis State winning it every year, with just a couple of at-larges mixed in. Am I right or wrong ?

(03-11-2018 11:44 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Every year the talking heads on every major network laud the parity in college basketball, yet every year the selection committee refuses to even acknowledge at larges from smaller conferences. At which point all the talking heads bash programs left out because of conference strength, RPI, or SOS. It’s all a damn joke, and corrupt to the point that a criminal investigation is warranted.

Who will have the ballz to go against the cartel is the question ?

And to think I have folks ask me why I don't like the "arnge" ?

Just like conference realignment has put more schools in all those major conferences, and the lower ones have backfilled from below, the bids have followed those teams to the conferences they’ve moved to.

(03-11-2018 11:47 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(03-11-2018 11:44 PM)PirateJP Wrote:  Every year the talking heads on every major network laud the parity in college basketball, yet every year the selection committee refuses to even acknowledge at larges from smaller conferences. At which point all the talking heads bash programs left out because of conference strength, RPI, or SOS. It’s all a damn joke, and corrupt to the point that a criminal investigation is warranted.

Who will have the ballz to go against the cartel is the question ?

And to think I have folks ask me why I don't like the "arnge" ?

Let’s see how far this FBI investigation goes, it might not take anyone to go up against them. The government may do the job for us.