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(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

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(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

(04-04-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

There is where Jones has been the biggest failure, at least until this year's freshman class. Hopefully, he's turned the corner in recruiting. He'd best work some sort of grad transfer magic over the next month or it's going to get ugly.

(04-04-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Just a reminder, ODAF doubled their record last year with 12 million in donations. Wood ain't going anywhere soon.

That's just great. What kind of ROI are we getting on all that money that Woody and co are bringing in.

(04-04-2018 09:02 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Just a reminder, ODAF doubled their record last year with 12 million in donations. Wood ain't going anywhere soon.

That's just great. What kind of ROI are we getting on all that money that Woody and co are bringing in.

Bleachers.

Is the uptick in recruiting due to the practice facility being open? Would any coaching staff start getting better recruits at this time?

(04-04-2018 09:02 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:44 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Just a reminder, ODAF doubled their record last year with 12 million in donations. Wood ain't going anywhere soon.

That's just great. What kind of ROI are we getting on all that money that Woody and co are bringing in.

I'm guessing it's going mostly to football while basketball continues to be the discount bargain chain of the program.

Would be nice to see a breakdown of where it all ends up.

I think the problem is that Woody is a fundraiser not a sports guy. Our AD seems to have become a fundraising department with a sales focused mentality rather than an athletic department that strives to win. You obviously need to do both, but I am not sure that Wood is all that interested in athletic greatness.

(04-04-2018 09:05 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Is the uptick in recruiting due to the practice facility being open? Would any coaching staff start getting better recruits at this time?

I'm sure it helps a lot. But relationship building is likely a factor as well. Hard to come in last minute as a mid-major to win a recruit over when similar programs have been recruiting the same kid for 3 years.

(04-04-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

It’s simple. You want Jones gone, provide the money for the buyout. If the department loses no money by having him gone they’ll take it. But no midmajor wants to pay TWO coaches at the same time.

Hell if you want a better coach (who will be more expensive), write a second check to cover the difference in what ODU/ODAF can pay and what the going rate is for an up and coming coach. Just to put it in perspective Kermit is getting 2.5 million a year from Ole Miss... How much do you think ODU should pay a coach? AND where does the money come from?

(Sidenote: the use of the word you is not directed at you)

Woody's biggest problem is keeping everyone on the dark.
The lack of information breeds uncertainty and negativity, as evidenced by this board.
People are making all kinds of negative conclusions, not based on information, but rather the lack of it.

Keep people in the dark long enough, they'll panic and assume the worst.

(04-04-2018 08:36 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

They don't care about ticket purchases. They only listen to the big donors and if they are happy with JJ and the rest of what's going on in the AD, then there won't be any changes.

This isn't the first time you've made that accusation. What specific experience have you had that makes you think this way? I'm not a big donor, and my experience has been just the opposite. Any issue I've brought up to them they've responded (doesn't mean they're dancing to my tune). I vented about some things in the Big Blue Room and the changes I asked for were made (I probably wasn't the only one asking). There are a lot of people who just use this space to dump on all things ODU .and I'd like to see some tangible, first-hand proof for their opinions.

(04-04-2018 09:33 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

I know I don't. It is only a matter of time before WKU gets exposed. Came really close this year with Darius Thompson.

(04-04-2018 09:41 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:33 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

I know I don't. It is only a matter of time before WKU gets exposed. Came really close this year with Darius Thompson.

And wasn't Mitchell Robinson named in the released FBI documents?

(04-04-2018 09:33 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

If he is breaking rules, then no I don't... but I also don't want to try to play m2m defense with a bunch of 2 and 3 star recruits against a bunch of 4 and 5 star recruits. Stansbury is not a great coach. Make those 5-star athletes think instead of letting them beat us with raw athleticism. Put together a cohesive team and make it a team game and we can beat them. In fact, Jones did try to do this and it worked until we reverted back to m2m and they made their run.

(04-04-2018 09:47 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:41 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:33 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

I know I don't. It is only a matter of time before WKU gets exposed. Came really close this year with Darius Thompson.

And wasn't Mitchell Robinson named in the released FBI documents?

Here is one recent mention
http://wkuherald.com/sports/former-wku-c...fcb6f.html

(04-04-2018 09:33 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:53 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:38 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:35 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:29 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  How do you stop the flow of money and still show up loud and proud? You'd still be giving them money for the tickets.

I assume this means buy the ticket the day of. Way less money than putting in a donation with season tickets.

I guess when I read "stop flow of money", I assumed all dollars. If I wanted full blown change, I think an empty Ted and Foreman would speak more than anything else.

True, but I think that is where the concept of "fanship" can really be questioned. As a fan of my alma mater, I am not willing to go to that extreme. I am pretty disgusted with the direction of the athletic department, but I still support the team and the kids giving it all they have. Heck, I don't even have the ire for Jeff Jones that some on here have. All he did was apply for a job and accept it. He is who he is. He is giving it everything he has every bit as much as the kids. I just think his inspirational leadership capabilities are lacking. His system and knowledge will make us competitive most years, but it will also limit how far we can get. For instance, man to man defense is as effective as the man you are guarding. When we are playing against better athletes, we aren't going to stop them... saw that all year. Even bad teams with better athletes (think VCU and Temple) made our defense look mediocre. When we are playing against the bottom half of CUSA, the defense will look like one of the best in the NCAA. If we can't recruit at the same level as WKU, they will continue to exploit our man to man defense year after year.

Not sure you want ODU using the same recruiting tactics as WKU

If that's what EVERYBODY is doing...

(04-04-2018 09:38 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

It’s simple. You want Jones gone, provide the money for the buyout. If the department loses no money by having him gone they’ll take it. But no midmajor wants to pay TWO coaches at the same time.

Hell if you want a better coach (who will be more expensive), write a second check to cover the difference in what ODU/ODAF can pay and what the going rate is for an up and coming coach. Just to put it in perspective Kermit is getting 2.5 million a year from Ole Miss... How much do you think ODU should pay a coach? AND where does the money come from?

(Sidenote: the use of the word you is not directed at you)

I should have been a little more clear when I said stop the flow of money. I really just meant donations and financial commitment to the AD. I think some on here are spot on about Wood. He is looking at return on investment which in this case, I think we are coming out ahead when it comes to cost. In all reality, JJ is making close to half of what Blaine was making but the overall product on the court has really only declined a small amount. The problem that I think most have is that we have declined as a program. Under Blaine, we were always right on the cusp being a Mid-Major power, but never could quite achieve it. When Blaine was let go, most would have thought that we would have tried to hire someone better but in all reality we got less by spend less if that makes sense. If the AD and ODAF wanted a new coach, we would have a new coach. I've told others before, 10,000 fans who donate $100 a year is always better than 100 fans who donate $10,000. If us smaller guys want to be heard, the only thing we can do is either complain until they stop listening or stop the giving.

(04-04-2018 11:19 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 09:38 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 08:16 AM)VBMonarch11 Wrote:  I think some of you guys have the whole money thing backwards. The best way we can show our displeasure is to stop the flow of money. If the admin starts to feel the pain in their wallets, they will be forced to make changes. If we can make it painful enough, the BOD will make a change in leadership. We need to start supporting the team more and the best way to do that is to show up to games and team related events. Stopping the flow of money won't make any of us less of a fan or supporter as long as we show up loud and proud. The admin needs our money and as long as we continue to give them what they want, there will be no change in sight!

It’s simple. You want Jones gone, provide the money for the buyout. If the department loses no money by having him gone they’ll take it. But no midmajor wants to pay TWO coaches at the same time.

Hell if you want a better coach (who will be more expensive), write a second check to cover the difference in what ODU/ODAF can pay and what the going rate is for an up and coming coach. Just to put it in perspective Kermit is getting 2.5 million a year from Ole Miss... How much do you think ODU should pay a coach? AND where does the money come from?

(Sidenote: the use of the word you is not directed at you)

I should have been a little more clear when I said stop the flow of money. I really just meant donations and financial commitment to the AD. I think some on here are spot on about Wood. He is looking at return on investment which in this case, I think we are coming out ahead when it comes to cost. In all reality, JJ is making close to half of what Blaine was making but the overall product on the court has really only declined a small amount. The problem that I think most have is that we have declined as a program. Under Blaine, we were always right on the cusp being a Mid-Major power, but never could quite achieve it. When Blaine was let go, most would have thought that we would have tried to hire someone better but in all reality we got less by spend less if that makes sense. If the AD and ODAF wanted a new coach, we would have a new coach. I've told others before, 10,000 fans who donate $100 a year is always better than 100 fans who donate $10,000. If us smaller guys want to be heard, the only thing we can do is either complain until they stop listening or stop the giving.

Please watch some YouTube videos from Blaine's era. Without everyone being on the court together, we really can't say for sure the true decline, but the eye test sure tells me it is a lot more than a "small amount". I think the 4 NCAA teams, and even the '05-'06 team and the '08-'09 team by the end of the season were SIGNIFICANTLY better than any of Jeff's teams.