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That's where probably everyone agrees. If it ain't working give something a try. On the flip side you know they can do it, we've all seen it. So the system was working, they were getting decent looks and the d was the only thing keeping us on reach. So do you risk allowing them to score easier and the fresh come on and brick as well? Shrug. It's tough but I wouldn't mind seeing something done to give a spark.

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I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

(03-10-2018 08:07 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 08:00 AM)gilla Wrote:  Cmett is spot on. Don't blame the coach for playing in a venue where zero intimidation is involved (I trust everyone saw the little league venue setting we played in) and we can't hit half our free throws. There is reason to believe going forward we have the foundation to be a good team. I am more worried whether it matters with the CUSA yielding RPI we will get. CUSA needs to be the consideration not the Coach.

Why is this an either/or in your mind?

Granted, Coach Jones is not responsible for the awful platform that CUSA provides for our basketball program.

Coach Jones is entirely responsible for developing a roster that goes only 7 deep, and cannot maintain its composure in a make-or-break tournament.

Both of these statements are true. Little Woody is now responsible for addressing both of them during the offseason.

Bingo. His failure to develop any reliable depth the entire freaking season was his biggest failure by far and it's become far too common.

Enough is enough, he did zero this year to keep his job besides beating a bunch of awful, awful basketball teams.

Against a tougher schedule we could easily have been something like 19-13. We played no one and beat literally no one. Even the good teams we played that all beat us really weren't even that good.

Wood and jones should be at a smaller school with no expectations, like American or Norfolk state.

We should expect better.

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

Consistent enough to come up short every single year is nothing but consistently not good enough.

Jones is exactly who I thought he was and exactly who I said he would be all along (and what terrifies me the most).........just good enough to please the plebes but not good enough to ever get us anywhere that matters.

I'd rather have wade of Keatts for a few years of REAL fun the a decade of bland, predictable results.

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

It's always next year. Always.

(03-10-2018 06:31 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

It's always next year. Always.

No, eventually the clock does run out. And we shake his hand and “we wish him well in his future endeavors.” But we also have to be fair. He has done just enough to not merit termination - given the dynamics of a mid-major program. P5 and the clock would have run out this year. Will be interesting to see what happens to Shaka. His clock is ticking.

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

(03-10-2018 07:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

No, that is certainly not what I’m saying. Do you really think it makes sense to terminate Jones and destabilize the program for a year? Who would be willing to take over a mid-major program for $300-500K per year that terminates a coach under our circumstances. Please let us know how you think that would play out. This is the real world of a mid-major program. We are not a P5.

(03-10-2018 07:18 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

No, that is certainly not what I’m saying. Do you really think it makes sense to terminate Jones and destabilize the program for a year? Who would be willing to take over a mid-major program for $300-500K per year that terminates a coach under our circumstances. Please let us know how you think that would play out. This is the real world of a mid-major program. We are not a P5.

We've paid coaches more than that in the past, we can absolutely do so again, especially if odac picks up part of the tab.

Salary is an extremely weak excuse for keeping an underperforming, washed up has been coach who has failed to get us to the tourney every year of his tenure.

It’s the overall dynamics of the situation - not just the salary. Not going to argue the point. It’s a complex situation - that is my point. An employer that terminates under our circumstances is Mickey Mouse and one I wouldn’t respect. It’s not as simple as terminate and then plug and play with a new coach. It would be nice if it were that simple, but it’s just not that simple.

(03-10-2018 07:18 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

No, that is certainly not what I’m saying. Do you really think it makes sense to terminate Jones and destabilize the program for a year? Who would be willing to take over a mid-major program for $300-500K per year that terminates a coach under our circumstances. Please let us know how you think that would play out. This is the real world of a mid-major program. We are not a P5.

So next year we win 20+ games beating all the weak sisters and losing to the stronger teams. What then? Dig for another year? Or wait till he goes 10-20? Oh wait. We hired him after he did that. At American. In the Patriot League.

Maybe someone will steal our shovel. Hopefully!

I wasn’t a fan of the JJ hire and am still not a fan. But this is the reality: Jones will be back next year. The most meaningful statement you can make is to stop supporting the Monarchs financially (tickets, donations, etc.).

We are all well aware of the consequences.

It might cost recruits, it might cost extra money, it might cost current players if they decide to transfer.

The point is two fold, he never should have been hired in the first place because going 10-20 at American the year before he was hired is an absolute JOKE.......but he's also never going to be good enough to win big games. Ever.

It's year 5 and I think we have one or two total top 50 rpi wins in those 5 years. Blaine had 4 or 5 in one season. We have no regular season or post season championships.

It's better to take our medicine now, Fire jones, and hope we bring in the next kevin Keatts than to just keep accepting year after year of "ok" basketball that gets us nowhere. Zero quality wins in year 5 (unless you want to count Marshall) is just absolutely unacceptable. We crumbled EVERY single time it mattered.

Why is that something we need to continue to see more of before making a change.

Give me one example, one solid reason other than "win totals against garbage teams" of why jones deserves to keep his job.

Who has he beaten of note?? What are his accomplishments that matter? Why should a 75-125 rpi every year be acceptable for a program with a motto of "aim high"?

It's funny when people defend jones by pointing out that Keatts left and uncw struggled afterwards.

Like having a coach that no one wants is something we should all be happy about lol.

Too funny.

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

Not having our coach hired away only means one thing. We aren't good enough for anyone to want them. If your preference is to maintain a state of managed mediocrity so that you can see the same face on the sidelines for a decade, I guess that is your choice, but it seems like an odd one.

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(03-10-2018 07:51 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:18 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:04 PM)Sirloin Burger Wrote:  I don't think ODU wants the men's program to be a coaching carousel or an addition to someones resume.

ODU doesn't want coaches who don't want to be here.

Keatts and Wade showed how loyal they were and now those programs they lead are back to mediocrity.

I'd rather have a program that's consistent enough to have a shot at the tournament every year than one that doesn't because it has to recover from losing it's coach and players he takes with him.


Oh by the way, Jeff Jones is not being fired nor is his job in danger.

I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

No, that is certainly not what I’m saying. Do you really think it makes sense to terminate Jones and destabilize the program for a year? Who would be willing to take over a mid-major program for $300-500K per year that terminates a coach under our circumstances. Please let us know how you think that would play out. This is the real world of a mid-major program. We are not a P5.

So next year we win 20+ games beating all the weak sisters and losing to the stronger teams. What then? Dig for another year? Or wait till he goes 10-20? Oh wait. We hired him after he did that. At American. In the Patriot League.

Maybe someone will steal our shovel. Hopefully!

The big time movers in the financial markets are referred to as big swinging *****. Until a big swinging “donor” wants a change, then you can bet JJ will be back next year (given the circumstances). If you own season tickets and donate - the biggest statement you can make to affect change will be to stop both. And it will be recognized at some level. But if you’re not doing either, then the reality is ODU doesn’t truly care about your opinion. It’s that simple.

(03-10-2018 07:59 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  It's funny when people defend jones by pointing out that Keatts left and uncw struggled afterwards.

Like having a coach that no one wants is something we should all be happy about lol.

Too funny.

And UNCW sucks because it let politics dictate it's next coach after Keatts rather than making the best possible hire.

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(03-10-2018 08:02 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:51 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:18 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 07:09 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 04:52 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I agree with your conclusion. But I’m sure you must feel the same frustration after coming up short again. At what point do we make a change? I don’t believe in “all/dance or nothing,” but I expect him to prove he belongs next year. Next year will be telling re: his coaching/recruiting ability.

When you find yourself in a hole they say you should stop digging. But apparently you feel that we should continue digging for another year.

No, that is certainly not what I’m saying. Do you really think it makes sense to terminate Jones and destabilize the program for a year? Who would be willing to take over a mid-major program for $300-500K per year that terminates a coach under our circumstances. Please let us know how you think that would play out. This is the real world of a mid-major program. We are not a P5.

So next year we win 20+ games beating all the weak sisters and losing to the stronger teams. What then? Dig for another year? Or wait till he goes 10-20? Oh wait. We hired him after he did that. At American. In the Patriot League.

Maybe someone will steal our shovel. Hopefully!

The big time movers in the financial markets are referred to as big swinging *****. Until a big swinging “donor” wants a change, then you can bet JJ will be back next year (given the circumstances). If you own season tickets and donate - the biggest statement you can make to affect change will be to stop both. And it will be recognized at some level. But if you’re not doing either, then the reality is ODU doesn’t truly care about your opinion. It’s that simple.

Already did. I sacrificed season tickets this year. Still went to every game, because I support the team, so maybe it doesn't really register, but at least I made for one fewer season ticket holder they could talley.

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(03-10-2018 07:55 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  I wasn’t a fan of the JJ hire and am still not a fan. But this is the reality: Jones will be back next year. The most meaningful statement you can make is to stop supporting the Monarchs financially (tickets, donations, etc.).

And that is exactly what I will be doing. Minimum ODAF contribution to keep consecutive years going and 1 women's season ticket to keep those consecutive years going. I hate doing that after all these years but it is the only voice I have.