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This reminds me of when they announced during a game that he was one of only 6 ODU coaches to win 100 games... I can only name 7 coaches.

(05-03-2018 02:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  This reminds me of when they announced during a game that he was one of only 6 ODU coaches to win 100 games... I can only name 7 coaches.

There have been 9, including Jones.

(05-03-2018 12:51 PM)Punk Wrote:  

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If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

The bottom line to people on here is they either think that Jeff is getting it done to their satisfaction after being here for the past 5-6 seasons, or they don't.

While he is living up to some of my expectations, all things considered I would say that I am not satisfied with the bottom line - i.e. few wins against top 50 teams, no conference regular season titles, no conference tournament titles, no NCAA tournament bids, just one NIT bid, no freshmen center brought to the program to develop, too much dependence on transfers, etc.

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

The fact that you can’t see how it validates the criticism is a VERY big problem lol.

(05-03-2018 06:00 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

The bottom line to people on here is they either think that Jeff is getting it done to their satisfaction after being here for the past 5-6 seasons, or they don't.

While he is living up to some of my expectations, all things considered I would say that I am not satisfied with the bottom line - i.e. few wins against top 50 teams, no conference regular season titles, no conference tournament titles, no NCAA tournament bids, just one NIT bid, no freshmen center brought to the program to develop, too much dependence on transfers, etc.

The next acceptable counter argument I read for the last sentence in your post will be the first.

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

Agreed - let’s watch the toothless tigers bite at your comment.

(05-03-2018 07:15 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:27 PM)monarx Wrote:  If Im not mistaken he also has the fewest NCAA appearances of any ODU coach over a 6 year span in school history.

And do you really want to hang your hat on being third? I could understand touting this if he was first... but this is really stretching for something positive to spin.

I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

Agreed - let’s watch the toothless tigers bite at your comment.

Lol the only thing that’s toothless in this thread are those 96 wins lol.

(05-03-2018 07:45 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 07:15 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 03:57 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  I never understand how people criticize self promotion of the school. Whether you like Jones or not or you think the win total is not impressive, this is what you want the school doing it. Some kid may see it and say "dang, thats a lot of wins, I want to go there."

It's like the school is not supposed to but anything positive out.

Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

Agreed - let’s watch the toothless tigers bite at your comment.

Lol the only thing that’s toothless in this thread are those 96 wins lol.

They pale in comparison to the 7K posts lol.

(05-03-2018 08:04 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 07:45 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 07:15 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 05:23 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 04:26 PM)monarx Wrote:  Not really criticizing the school, they have to do something. Its more how this validates criticism of JJ. Too bad we don't have something better to brag about. It just comes across as grasping for straws by touting the third best percentage over a cherry picked 4 year period taken out of context. Almost like bragging about a participation trophy. If it somehow helps, then go for it. I just wish we had something other than the NIT F4 in the JJ era to legitimately put out there. If it was the best winning percentage of any ODU hoops coach ever, or most NCAAs in the shortest period of time, best record ever... something like that, it would carry a lot more weight.

It's a reasonable accomplishment to point out (and when you look at it closer, it's really comparing Jones's four-year span to a five-year span for BT [2007-12]). Now you can argue that promoting the W-L stripped of its context (no CUSA titles, no NCAAs, one NIT, few top 100 wins and very few top 50 wins) is misleading, but I don't see how it validates criticism of his coaching or recruiting or whatever any more than a .500 record against better competition would validate compliments of another coach.

Agreed - let’s watch the toothless tigers bite at your comment.

Lol the only thing that’s toothless in this thread are those 96 wins lol.

They pale in comparison to the 7K posts lol.

At least I had a few quality posts somewhere in those 7k to be proud of lol.

Funny thing is that even the two previous teams Blaine had that were not included ('04-'05 and '05-'06) were better than any team JJ has put on the court.

Forgive me if I don’t give two hoots in hell about a 4 year win total that resulted in zero ncaa appearances

Also, they can cherry pick these statlines all they want. I’m just wondering what happened to the “3rd longest ncaa tournament drought since becoming D1” graphic

(05-04-2018 07:53 AM)jasdf Wrote:  Also, they can cherry pick these statlines all they want. I’m just wondering what happened to the “3rd longest ncaa tournament drought since becoming D1” graphic

I believe that we are currently tied for the longest drought, to be surpassed next season.

(05-04-2018 08:03 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(05-04-2018 07:53 AM)jasdf Wrote:  Also, they can cherry pick these statlines all they want. I’m just wondering what happened to the “3rd longest ncaa tournament drought since becoming D1” graphic

I believe that we are currently tied for the longest drought, to be surpassed next season.

You are exactly right, I didn’t look I was just playing off their graphic. Sad situation. Who in here with a straight face can tell me that they can look back and be happy that we won all those games and don’t have squat to show for it ... well, except that digital graphic

The statistic may be more in Jones favor if it were expressed in winning percentage?

Funny how the first two examples overlap. I would dare say that the competition was much tougher in the CAA Days.

Not a lot to be proud of these days. Need to hang some banners.