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That's the thing about this league. There are several programs that really want that next level. It's just a matter of time before the league earns its credibility. Some bashed Banowski for the invitations but half the schools they brought in are proud programs. WKU, UAB, ODU always had chips on their shoulders and competed as peers in the past. Add in MTSU and LT and there is NOTHING in the CAA like that. Just need patience and the top half will establish itself. I don't even see the bottom half because I'm never looking down.

As far as the A10 option...I'm not real sure there is an A10 FBS option. I mean I read Minium's article like everyone else, but I'm waiting on him to give some relevant information about whether CUSA would ever allow football-only. To me, that's the question. Not whether the A10 ever wanted ODU. But who needs a full, complete, and well-thought-out story these days? Hell, it's probably the Russians again anyway.
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Harry, like his opinions or not, is an excellent reporter. It also confirmed what I've heard over the last 6 years. So based on his reputation and my own source, I am under the assumption that a football only league with A10 everything else could be a viable option and is not click bait.

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(03-24-2018 01:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Harry, like his opinions or not, is an excellent reporter. It also confirmed what I've heard over the last 6 years. So based on his reputation and my own source, I am under the assumption that a football only league with A10 everything else could be a viable option and is not click bait.

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That’s the best of both worlds. Make it happen Wood.
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(03-24-2018 01:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Harry, like his opinions or not, is an excellent reporter. It also confirmed what I've heard over the last 6 years. So based on his reputation and my own source, I am under the assumption that a football only league with A10 everything else could be a viable option and is not click bait.

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Agree and agree and it is what ODU would like to achieve and has been trying to achieve. Alas like the old fable about the cat and the bell the trick is not in having a great idea but in getting it done. There are just so many moving parts to pulling this off. Our new conference mates would have to figure out some bowl alignments and a TV contract when both are already done for years in advance. You also have to have money to set up a new League Office, hire the folks to work there and do scheduling and line up refs. However, with all that, the biggest problems I am hearing are: 1)Many of the schools that are talked about on these boards are happy where they are or at least not unhappy enough to take the risky step of making this change. 2)We may have a landing spot in the A10 that is attractive for all the rest of our teams but that is not true for the other schools. Many of them run the risk of all the rest of their sports teams becoming homeless and they do not have an ace in the hole for them to go to. The A10 is not going to take in 10 (more or less) new teams just to get us. Bottom line, I think this is a great idea for ODU and I hope it happens but I just don't think it will. In this case I really hope I am wrong and our bell will ring in the not to distant future.
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Very true. We have the A10, but where would Marshall, WKU, and MTSU go? Missouri Valley or Horizon? That is certainly a long pole in the tent.

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(03-24-2018 03:42 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(03-24-2018 01:33 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Harry, like his opinions or not, is an excellent reporter. It also confirmed what I've heard over the last 6 years. So based on his reputation and my own source, I am under the assumption that a football only league with A10 everything else could be a viable option and is not click bait.

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That’s the best of both worlds. Make it happen Wood.

Lol, ain’t gonna happen. You all are wasting your time.
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Like I said before. The story is not what ODU would like. It's whether they would HAVE to give up FBS football. Or stated differently, whether CUSA would take a school for a football-only deal.

I didn't see that in Minium's article, excellent writer or not. A FBS-only home for football is not Wood's call, it is CUSA's. And I just haven't seen the precedent in our league. But perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. Til then, I'll assume we're 100% in like everyone else.

It's fascinating. One minute we're trying to make the CUSA case for JMU, then it's the case for Liberty, now it's just ODU move everything away from the league except football. My neck is hurting from reading all these awesome opinions.
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(03-24-2018 07:48 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  Like I said before. The story is not what ODU would like. It's whether they would HAVE to give up FBS football. Or stated differently, whether CUSA would take a school for a football-only deal.

I didn't see that in Minium's article, excellent writer or not. A FBS-only home for football is not Wood's call, it is CUSA's. And I just haven't seen the precedent in our league. But perhaps I'm not looking hard enough. Til then, I'll assume we're 100% in like everyone else.

It's fascinating. One minute we're trying to make the CUSA case for JMU, then it's the case for Liberty, now it's just ODU move everything away from the league except football. My neck is hurting from reading all these awesome opinions.

Hmm, sorry but the idea is: we completely leave CUSA, join the A10 for basketball & all the other sports they have, and form a new league we would help create that would only have football. I have heard nothing about staying in CUSA in any shape or form if we can make this happen. The other options that have been suggested on this message board are unsurprisingly not always in line with ODU's plans.
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CUSA will never give up its leverage of requiring both bball and football to be in the conference. It’s the keystone to holding the conference together - and it is “checkmate” leverage. Charlotte left the A10 to play big boy football - imagine how hard that move was to make.

The chances of us moving to the A10 and keeping FBS football is slim to none. Way too many hurdles to clear and agendas to align.
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That's exactly what I see. So if Wood Selig cannot get 12-14 college presidents to agree to move their football to a league that he dreams up, he's a fail, correct? I mean, is that what we are reading in the Pilot these days?

Either way, it clearly has legs. I mean ODU has rung up a 25 page thread in response to the article.
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(03-24-2018 09:10 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  That's exactly what I see. So if Wood Selig cannot get 12-14 college presidents to agree to move their football to a league that he dreams up, he's a fail, correct? I mean, is that what we are reading in the Pilot these days?

Either way, it clearly has legs. I mean ODU has rung up a 25 page thread in response to the article.

You’re right - it is completely absurd to think Wood has the influence to pull off the creation of a new FBS league. Never going to happen.
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I think you're all being a bit too myopic. While creating an FBS FB-only league would be ideal, it's not essential. We could go the independent route. We already have UMASS, Liberty and (I believe) NMSU doing this, I'm sure we could figure out some scheduling agreements. Add in the need for P5 leagues to still have OOC games and I believe we could build out a schedule.

The downside of independence is the lack of bowl partnerships. That's not that big of a deal in my book. First, our CUSA bowls are pretty much crappy. Second, in years where there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams (as has been the case recently), I'm guessing we would be considered.

The one wild card is whether we would qualify for the FBS championship money each year. I don't know the rules and I'm too lazy to look. I'm guessing we would.

In any event, FB is fun and I love it, but at our level, other than playing for a conference championship, it's moot on the national stage. We will never compete with the big dogs. We might as well try to cobble together a more regional schedule of teams that interest our fans and that they can travel to. To me, it beats playing teams in Texas and the Gulf.
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(03-24-2018 11:40 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think you're all being a bit too myopic. While creating an FBS FB-only league would be ideal, it's not essential. We could go the independent route. We already have UMASS, Liberty and (I believe) NMSU doing this, I'm sure we could figure out some scheduling agreements. Add in the need for P5 leagues to still have OOC games and I believe we could build out a schedule.

The downside of independence is the lack of bowl partnerships. That's not that big of a deal in my book. First, our CUSA bowls are pretty much crappy. Second, in years where there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams (as has been the case recently), I'm guessing we would be considered.

The one wild card is whether we would qualify for the FBS championship money each year. I don't know the rules and I'm too lazy to look. I'm guessing we would.

In any event, FB is fun and I love it, but at our level, other than playing for a conference championship, it's moot on the national stage. We will never compete with the big dogs. We might as well try to cobble together a more regional schedule of teams that interest our fans and that they can travel to. To me, it beats playing teams in Texas and the Gulf.

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(03-24-2018 11:40 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think you're all being a bit too myopic. While creating an FBS FB-only league would be ideal, it's not essential. We could go the independent route. We already have UMASS, Liberty and (I believe) NMSU doing this, I'm sure we could figure out some scheduling agreements. Add in the need for P5 leagues to still have OOC games and I believe we could build out a schedule.

The downside of independence is the lack of bowl partnerships. That's not that big of a deal in my book. First, our CUSA bowls are pretty much crappy. Second, in years where there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams (as has been the case recently), I'm guessing we would be considered.

The one wild card is whether we would qualify for the FBS championship money each year. I don't know the rules and I'm too lazy to look. I'm guessing we would.

In any event, FB is fun and I love it, but at our level, other than playing for a conference championship, it's moot on the national stage. We will never compete with the big dogs. We might as well try to cobble together a more regional schedule of teams that interest our fans and that they can travel to. To me, it beats playing teams in Texas and the Gulf.

Not myopic, realistic based on the dynamics involved. We could become an independent and it’s an interesting thought to entertain, but it’s not going to happen. The power independents (ND, BYU) are in the catbird seat, but UMASS is struggling...no way we’re going the same route. And the only reason Liberty is an independent is because CUSA rejected their financial offer (and I believe the sunbelt as well).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../88669270/
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(03-25-2018 03:30 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  
(03-24-2018 11:40 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think you're all being a bit too myopic. While creating an FBS FB-only league would be ideal, it's not essential. We could go the independent route. We already have UMASS, Liberty and (I believe) NMSU doing this, I'm sure we could figure out some scheduling agreements. Add in the need for P5 leagues to still have OOC games and I believe we could build out a schedule.

The downside of independence is the lack of bowl partnerships. That's not that big of a deal in my book. First, our CUSA bowls are pretty much crappy. Second, in years where there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams (as has been the case recently), I'm guessing we would be considered.

The one wild card is whether we would qualify for the FBS championship money each year. I don't know the rules and I'm too lazy to look. I'm guessing we would.

In any event, FB is fun and I love it, but at our level, other than playing for a conference championship, it's moot on the national stage. We will never compete with the big dogs. We might as well try to cobble together a more regional schedule of teams that interest our fans and that they can travel to. To me, it beats playing teams in Texas and the Gulf.

Not myopic, realistic based on the dynamics involved. We could become an independent and it’s an interesting thought to entertain, but it’s not going to happen. The power independents (ND, BYU) are in the catbird seat, but UMASS is struggling...no way we’re going the same route. And the only reason Liberty is an independent is because CUSA rejected their financial offer (and I believe the sunbelt as well).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../88669270/

Plus who says ODU can craft this regional-heavy schedule that everyone wants as an independent? There's 12 dates to fill and that takes a lot of working and compromising. Liberty has access to more money than God's accountant but they're still having to play New Mexico State twice in the same season. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue here if 1/6th of the schedule was New Mexico Ass State? Or if ODU had to schedule two FCS schools to get to six home dates? I think people imagine "oh it'll be nothing but eastern CUSA/AAC/Sun Belt/MAC schools with P5s sprinkled in and the skies are not cloudy all day" but I bet there's a better than even chance that an independent schedule will have as many, if not more, "undesirable" games than a CUSA sked with four OOC.

And why does everyone think the A-10 is all hepped up to add teams? They're at 14, same as CUSA. I don't see many people here or elsewhere hoping that CUSA expands. Why in happy hell would the A-10 go to 16? For that matter, why would they even bother backfilling if the Big East finally takes Dayton and St. Louis?

The AAC should still be the goal. And if that's not obtainable, working to make CUSA a viable competitor to them should be the secondary goal. Because even if the A-10 did expand, what are the long-term prospects for a conference comprised primarily of smaller Northeastern-forward private schools?
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(03-25-2018 03:51 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-25-2018 03:30 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  
(03-24-2018 11:40 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I think you're all being a bit too myopic. While creating an FBS FB-only league would be ideal, it's not essential. We could go the independent route. We already have UMASS, Liberty and (I believe) NMSU doing this, I'm sure we could figure out some scheduling agreements. Add in the need for P5 leagues to still have OOC games and I believe we could build out a schedule.

The downside of independence is the lack of bowl partnerships. That's not that big of a deal in my book. First, our CUSA bowls are pretty much crappy. Second, in years where there aren't enough bowl-eligible teams (as has been the case recently), I'm guessing we would be considered.

The one wild card is whether we would qualify for the FBS championship money each year. I don't know the rules and I'm too lazy to look. I'm guessing we would.

In any event, FB is fun and I love it, but at our level, other than playing for a conference championship, it's moot on the national stage. We will never compete with the big dogs. We might as well try to cobble together a more regional schedule of teams that interest our fans and that they can travel to. To me, it beats playing teams in Texas and the Gulf.

Not myopic, realistic based on the dynamics involved. We could become an independent and it’s an interesting thought to entertain, but it’s not going to happen. The power independents (ND, BYU) are in the catbird seat, but UMASS is struggling...no way we’re going the same route. And the only reason Liberty is an independent is because CUSA rejected their financial offer (and I believe the sunbelt as well).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../88669270/

Plus who says ODU can craft this regional-heavy schedule that everyone wants as an independent? There's 12 dates to fill and that takes a lot of working and compromising. Liberty has access to more money than God's accountant but they're still having to play New Mexico State twice in the same season. Can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue here if 1/6th of the schedule was New Mexico Ass State? Or if ODU had to schedule two FCS schools to get to six home dates? I think people imagine "oh it'll be nothing but eastern CUSA/AAC/Sun Belt/MAC schools with P5s sprinkled in and the skies are not cloudy all day" but I bet there's a better than even chance that an independent schedule will have as many, if not more, "undesirable" games than a CUSA sked with four OOC.

And why does everyone think the A-10 is all hepped up to add teams? They're at 14, same as CUSA. I don't see many people here or elsewhere hoping that CUSA expands. Why in happy hell would the A-10 go to 16? For that matter, why would they even bother backfilling if the Big East finally takes Dayton and St. Louis?

The AAC should still be the goal. And if that's not obtainable, working to make CUSA a viable competitor to them should be the secondary goal. Because even if the A-10 did expand, what are the long-term prospects for a conference comprised primarily of smaller Northeastern-forward private schools?

Yes indeed! I think it’s hard for any football fan to be disappointed with the home games this year. Highly competitive - we could easily go 1-5. And VT playing in Norfolk (w/home and home long-term series) - who would have ever dreamed of seeing such a day? For those thinking independent route, it’s never going to happen.
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Ever thinks jumping to new conferences is as easy as making his tin foil hats.
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That's unnecessary. Make your points without taking personal shots. You devalue your own argument when you make it personal, instead of letting facts speak for themselves.

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(03-25-2018 06:54 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  That's unnecessary. Make your points without taking personal shots. You devalue your own argument when you make it personal, instead of letting facts speak for themselves.

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Clearly a joke. Go back to your safe space.
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(03-25-2018 06:22 PM)ODU2011 Wrote:  Ever thinks jumping to new conferences is as easy as making his tin foil hats.

An old Chief that worked for me in the Navy used to say, “The only difference between ‘can and can’t’ is an apostrophe. Don’t be an apostrophe!”

Just because something is hard doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be pursued. We have to dream big, swing big and aim high to better our situation. I’m a realist...it may never happen...but I want us to exhaust all avenues before accepting the status quo.
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