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RE: Ackerman: Open to Expansion but 'Nothing on the Horizon'
The test for an expansion candidate for any conference is whether it can increase the size of the conference revenue pie by an amount greater than the share of the pie that it is going to get. Otherwise, you're just adding another mouth to feed. The only non-P5 school that would do this for the Big East is UConn. The inability to find a school that could do that for them was ultimately the reason that the B12 stuck at 10 last year.
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Davidson is a division 3 school playing d1 basketball. If they aren’t winning, having them in a conference is a mistake. My point being they need to be in a place they can dominate and not Peter principle themselves.
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(03-09-2018 09:53 AM)bluesox Wrote:  Davidson is a division 3 school playing d1 basketball. If they aren’t winning, having them in a conference is a mistake. My point being they need to be in a place they can dominate and not Peter principle themselves.

I'd disagree with this here. You're looking at it from a pure sports point of view. Instead, I see that Davidson is a super elite academic school based in the East as opposed to the Midwest along with being directly in a strong basketball region and solid on-the-court history, which is a profile that is going to be extremely attractive to Georgetown (whose support is critical for any expansion). The main complaint about Davidson seems to be its small enrollment size, but from what we have seen over the past few years, enrollment size might be one of the biggest (if not single biggest) overrated factors in conference realignment. Top tier private schools absolutely get a bonus in the eyes of university presidents, whereas non-flagship/flagship-equivalent public universities get knocked down several notches in the realignment game regardless of how massive their enrollments might be.

My personal view: if the Big East wanted Dayton, then they would have added them already. I just don't think that it's happening - it might be small market size, it might be proximity to Xavier, it might be a fear of the league becoming "too Midwestern", or (more likely) it might be a combination of all of those factors. Dayton has pretty much performed everything that it needed to on-the-court over the past few years along with having some of the most consistent off-the-court support of any school in any league... and it still hasn't mattered to the Big East. This sort of feels like West Virginia never getting a legitimate chance with the ACC. It never mattered how well WVU performed or how many fans they had... the ACC simply didn't want them. That feels like Dayton and the Big East.

I believe the Big East is waiting for (a) a school with the right institutional fit in a large market that it wants to be in (such as St. Louis) to raise its on-the-court credentials, (b) the next AAC contract to be finalized where it will push UConn into a serious consideration of where it wants to be long-term if they're resigned that they won't get a P5 invite and (c ) a balance where the expansion has 1 school from the East and 1 school from the Midwest (e.g. there definitely cannot be 2 Midwestern additions even though it's probably easier to find 2 Midwestern schools that fit the Big East profile than 2 Eastern schools at this point). I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.
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(03-09-2018 08:33 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 04:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 04:13 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 03:53 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 11:32 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  If I had to put potential candidates into tiers, I would categorize them as the following:

Dream Candidates
UConn - Football and membership in the AAC will continue to be a big question mark; Shares past conference affiliation w/ VU, GU, SJ, SH and PU; regional fit.

Serious Candidates/Peers
Saint Louis - Institutional fit; strong new media market; peer in academics; athletic program structured like other BE members;
Dayton - Institutional fit; strong fan base; peer in academics; athletic program structured like other BE members; Xavier might block them;

Wild Cards
Davidson - Strong men's basketball program; new market in North Carolina; Private Liberal Arts College; Small enrollment;
Richmond - Huge endowment; Private university; nice facilities; Lack of past success in men's basketball is a concern; however resources will always be there.
VCU - Public university; strong commitment to men's basketball; great facilities; strong academics; Would likely only be added if paired with a UConn;

Not that such a significant expansion is likely, but imagine the BE took all 6 of these candidates for a 16-team circuit. They could have a 4-team pod system wherein each team plays its 3 podmates twice and the rest once for a total of 18 conference games.

Northeast: Providence, Seton Hall, St. Peter's, UConn
Atlantic: Georgetown, Richmond, VCU, Villanova
Central: Butler, Davidson, Dayton, Xavier
Midwest: Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis

St. Peter's sticks out like a sore thumb in that group.

That'd be a fun thought exercise: What if you took a tiny low-major, like St. Peter's or Sacred Heart or Loyola (Md.), and stuck them in the Big East for 10 years. Would the rise in coaching interest and recruiting give them a chance at eventually being competitive?

A new arena would be a requirement, or share the Prudential Center with Seton Hall. Their current gym is like that of a high school.

I mean, obviously it's not happening, but purely as a thought exercise Sacred Heart could move into Webster Bank Arena, which would probably be suitable enough. Again, not happening though.
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I'm of the belief that if Denver ever got its basketball **** together, there's one of your Big East members. They're already an associate member for lacrosse, and they definitely check all of the boxes academically. But, yeesh...with the exception of soccer, they bring next to nothing for the other sponsored sports.
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(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.
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(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

Two 6-team divisions:

East: Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, UConn, Villanova
West: Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier

2 games vs. each team in same division (10 games)
2 games vs. rotating pair of teams in opposite division (4 games)
1 game vs. 4 other teams in opposite division (4 games)
18 games total

What's so clunky about that?
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(03-09-2018 11:45 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

Two 6-team divisions:

East: Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, UConn, Villanova
West: Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier

2 games vs. each team in same division (10 games)
2 games vs. rotating pair of teams in opposite division (4 games)
1 game vs. 4 other teams in opposite division (4 games)
18 games total

What's so clunky about that?

Versus a full home and away against every team in the conference every year? Quite a bit.
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(03-09-2018 11:45 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

Two 6-team divisions:

East: Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, UConn, Villanova
West: Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier

2 games vs. each team in same division (10 games)
2 games vs. rotating pair of teams in opposite division (4 games)
1 game vs. 4 other teams in opposite division (4 games)
18 games total

What's so clunky about that?

No one is going to divisions in BBall
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University of Richmond set to build $15 million basketball training and performance facility

The University of Richmond announced Wednesday before its men's basketball game against visiting Massachusetts that a training and performance center for the men's and women's hoops programs will be built adjacent to the Robins Center.

The new facility, expected to cost $15 million, launches with a $7.5 million lead gift by Paul and Anne-Marie Queally, 1986 UR graduates. Construction is expected to begin late in the spring of 2019, following the completion of a successful fundraising effort, and the projected opening is fall 2020.

The Queally Athletics Center will be located behind the Robins Center, as one faces the arena's main entrance. Future Spiders will "enjoy the benefits of one of the absolute best training and performance facilities in the country," John Hardt, a UR vice president and director of athletics, said in a school release.

Included in the Queally Athletics Center will be coaches' offices, locker rooms, a practice gym, sports medicine and strength-and-conditioning areas, an academic-support area, and a Spider Heritage Hall that celebrates the tradition of UR athletics.

"We've always been a place where we've really tried to get good players, but more importantly, really help those guys develop and become great players," said men's coach Chris Mooney, who recognized the recruiting assistance the facility will supply, as did Michael Shafer, the women's coach.

Shafer, in the school statement, called the Queally Athletics Center "a strong statement that the University of Richmond is committed to the success of its basketball programs and its student-athletes."

About one-third of the 14 A-10 schools have basketball training-and-performance centers of some sort. They are beneficial from a practical standpoint, but also are recruiting tools as demonstrations of basketball commitment.

Typically, these support facilities include coaches' offices, locker rooms, meeting rooms, strength-and-conditioning areas and sports-medicine areas. Some have two full courts.

VCU is an A-10 member, as is Richmond, and the Rams opened their $25-million Basketball Development Center in 2015 behind the Siegel Center.

Virginia's John Paul Jones Arena, opened in 2006, features a built-in practice facility. At Virginia Tech the $21-million Hahn Hurst Practice Center opened in 2009. At Old Dominion, the $8.5-million Mitchum Basketball Performance Center opened in 2017. At George Mason, an existing gym was renovated and became a practice facility. That 2017 remodel was part of a $2.2-million phase of the school's Basketball Excellence Plan.

The Queally Athletics Center is the latest among a few significant facility upgrades at Richmond in recent years. UR in January began gutting much of the Robins Center's ground floor, the first phase of a $7 million project that will deliver a new football locker room, a new sports medicine area, a new strength-and-conditioning setup, a new equipment room, a new men's lacrosse locker room and new men's and women's coaches' locker rooms.

The Robins Center upstairs arena underwent a $17-million renovation in 2013, and renovations of some Olympic sports locker rooms and offices were recently completed.

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Of course, now Richmond is not mediocre, but down right ****** this season.. timing is always great, lol.
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(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

The only advantage of 11 schools is that with the move of some conferences to a 20 game conference schedule, 11 schools can still play a complete double round robin. Obviously, however, a schedule for an 11 school conference will have to include constant byes. Hence the clunkiness.
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(03-09-2018 02:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

The only advantage of 11 schools is that with the move of some conferences to a 20 game conference schedule, 11 schools can still play a complete double round robin. Obviously, however, a schedule for an 11 school conference will have to include constant byes. Hence the clunkiness.

Yes, having an odd number of schools forces the league to have at least one school on a bye at all times. It's not unworkable (see the old Big Ten and current ACC), but it's not exactly optimal.
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(03-09-2018 02:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

The only advantage of 11 schools is that with the move of some conferences to a 20 game conference schedule, 11 schools can still play a complete double round robin. Obviously, however, a schedule for an 11 school conference will have to include constant byes. Hence the clunkiness.

Byes in Basketball with National TV is not much of a problem, as you constantly have Monday and Tuesday Night TV specials, allowing you to triangle 3 schools (A & B play Thu, B & C play Sat, A & C play Mon). If you look at all the majors Basketball schedules you'll find at least one game off the normal Thu-Sat routine. This is more an issue for smaller conferences.

For lesser sports, like Baseball, Tennis and Men's Soccer, there are plenty of affiliates you can nab (the Big East has affiliates as is to get those even numbers in some of those sports; West Virginia for example would happily move Men's soccer to the Big East instead of the MAC if even is a big issue, finding schools with orphaned Tennis is not difficult either).

Byes (11) are a much bigger deal in Football. But the Big East doesn't have football.

The math ($$) simply works best at 11, 22% increase conference game inventory, 12% increase per school in take over 10 or 12.
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(03-09-2018 02:14 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

The only advantage of 11 schools is that with the move of some conferences to a 20 game conference schedule, 11 schools can still play a complete double round robin. Obviously, however, a schedule for an 11 school conference will have to include constant byes. Hence the clunkiness.

This is a problem moreso than unbalanced scheduling and/or basketball divisions why?
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(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  My personal view: if the Big East wanted Dayton, then they would have added them already. I just don't think that it's happening - it might be small market size, it might be proximity to Xavier, it might be a fear of the league becoming "too Midwestern", or (more likely) it might be a combination of all of those factors. Dayton has pretty much performed everything that it needed to on-the-court over the past few years along with having some of the most consistent off-the-court support of any school in any league... and it still hasn't mattered to the Big East. This sort of feels like West Virginia never getting a legitimate chance with the ACC. It never mattered how well WVU performed or how many fans they had... the ACC simply didn't want them. That feels like Dayton and the Big East.

My personal thought was that the Big East always considered Saint Louis and Dayton as "in-waiting" members. In 2012/2013, there were substantial rumors that one, or both, would be included to create a 12-team non-football Big East conference. The C7, from accounts, were high on their institutional fit, facilities, commitment to men's basketball and academics. My belief is that the C7, especially Georgetown, didn't want the originality of the Big East's East Coast presence (GU, Villanova, St. Johns, Seton Hall and Providence) watered-down with such a substantial increase in Midwest programs (Butler, Xavier, Marquette, DePaul and Creighton). Keeping it at 10 not only allowed the new trio (BU, XU, CU) to acclimate and transition into the Big East, but it also allowed there to remain a strong East Coast/Original focus.

However, with the success of the Big East, and its ability to remain as one of the power basketball conferences in the country, my belief is that there should be less of a concern about the threat of "losing prestige" or "lowered expectations" in men's basketball, and a greater interest in expanding the brand and overall reach. Butler, Creighton and Xavier have all taken the Big East brand, and TV revenue, and pumped it right back into their respective programs - and they are each flourishing. If Saint Louis and/or Dayton would be included in that, it would only deepen the league and strengthen the conference in terms of overall games, fans, exposure and content.

That's just my two cents, however. I would love for Dayton and SLU to be the next two members of the conference. UConn, IMO, is a pipedream - and they deserve to be in an all-sports conference.
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I don't think it's location for those two (though, proximity between Xavier and Dayton doesn't help the Flyers). It's sustained success. SLU has never had the good, consistent, and deep run into the tournament. Dayton has finally had its first losing season since 2006, but only five of those seasons in that span resulted in tournament bids.

With Creighton, much like Dayton, it wasn't always consistent, nor deep in its appearances, but it hit its consistency at the right time. Seven tournament appearances ahead of the Big East split to Dayton's four from 2000 until the split.

And maybe more critical for Dayton...the absence of an appearance in the 90's, bookending it in '90 and '00, and totally familiar with, but on the losing end of games with your Marquette's, DePaul's, and then Xavier's. Maybe, to the current Big East schools, while we all see Dayton as a great program, deserving of major status...that's not the experience a good number of the current members had with them. And SLU. But, it wasn't something anyone had with Creighton. And it helped that Butler knew how to win anywhere it was, but had strong advocacy from Xavier, which could be one of the most consistent programs in all of men's basketball over the last three decades.
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(03-09-2018 12:40 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:45 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:36 AM)Bogg Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 10:51 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I'm not feeling any real desire for a one-team expansion to create an 11-team league: that was something that the Big Ten lived with for many years, but it wasn't ever really optimal and it was only because they were getting a mega-blue blood football school. When you have a choice to avoid that situation, you want to avoid it.

I have a difficult time understanding how 12 members is less clunky than 11 for the Big East.

Two 6-team divisions:

East: Georgetown, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, UConn, Villanova
West: Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette, St. Louis, Xavier

2 games vs. each team in same division (10 games)
2 games vs. rotating pair of teams in opposite division (4 games)
1 game vs. 4 other teams in opposite division (4 games)
18 games total

What's so clunky about that?

No one is going to divisions in BBall

Yeah, the Big East would never ever go for divisions...
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Everyone wants to hate on Dayton because of market duplication but does it hurt the ACC to have both Duke and UNC in close proximity? Fierce rivalries are good for conferences and can draw more attention from casual viewers. Letting the Flyers in will ultimately help the Big East.
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(03-09-2018 07:50 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Everyone wants to hate on Dayton because of market duplication but does it hurt the ACC to have both Duke and UNC in close proximity? Fierce rivalries are good for conferences and can draw more attention from casual viewers. Letting the Flyers in will ultimately help the Big East.

That is a unique situation since both UNC and Duke are founding members of the ACC. No new members admitted to major conferences have been a duplicate market/program. In fact, every single addition to the major conferences that wasn't a back-fill/replacement (Texas A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, Colorado, Utah, Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Maryland, Rutgers and Notre Dame) was a new market. The replacement call-ups - West Virginia, Louisville and TCU - were also not duplicates, although TCU was admitted to the Big 12 with other members in Texas already present (Texas, Baylor and Texas Tech). Texas can obviously be an exception since it is so large with diverse markets.

Having said that, I firmly believe that Dayton should not be dismissed out-of-hand due to their location. If Detroit or Duquesne had Dayton's resume, they would already be in the Big East. Dayton, and any new member, needs to be able to add money and value to the league, regardless of where they are located. I believe Dayton, even when in rebuilding phases, would be able to do that. They consistently have one of the strongest attendance figures in the nation (not unlike Creighton, whose attendance and fan support was one of biggest supports they had for their respective candidacy), have/will have invested and upgraded their facilities and are capable of competing at higher levels of college basketball. Institutional-fit and academic-fit are already there.

The fact that their addition would add more content for Fox and the Big East, including more games at MSG for the tournament, as well as provide for potential viewers and fan support at games, I think their candidacy should be very strong. Politics may very well get in the way of their membership, but even for the East coast schools, they would receive value for their inclusion, IMO.
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RE: Ackerman: Open to Expansion but 'Nothing on the Horizon'
(03-09-2018 11:29 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I'm of the belief that if Denver ever got its basketball **** together, there's one of your Big East members. They're already an associate member for lacrosse, and they definitely check all of the boxes academically. But, yeesh...with the exception of soccer, they bring next to nothing for the other sponsored sports.

Actually, Denver is the top non-football athletic dept. in the country for 8 of the last nine years in the Learfeld Cup. #4 in Capital One Cup in men's in 2015. Facilities are all pretty new (nothing older than 18 years). They would bring annual NCAA tourney teams in women's volleyball (top 50), top 30 men's and women's swimming, NCAA tourney calibre men's and women's tennis and golf (women are top 20), as well as men's/women's soccer (NCAA tourney almost every year, with men's final four two years ago) and men's (annually top 5)/women's lacrosse (top 20-25). And if the Big East ever decided to sponsor women's gymnastics (top 15), or men's hockey (top 5, defending national champion), or skiing (Current National Champion). Also If the Big East ever offered a Denver league spot in return for adding new sports to match league needs (e.g. softball, cross country, track, etc,) DU would certainly consider adding those sports, too.
(This post was last modified: 03-12-2018 10:14 PM by puck swami.)
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