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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 11:20 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:17 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:08 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Man...I like AC and he is a great person, but he is a liability on the floor. He is basically a worse defender, rebounder, and passer than Denzel Taylor was. Hopefully next year our freshman are ready to step in and play because AC needs to be limited to about 5-7 minutes per game.

Huh?

Denzel Taylor was a pretty solid rebounder and defender (definitely a better rebounder though). Being worse than him doesn't really say much.

I think the point is he is just as bad offensively and isn't even as good defensively and on the glass.

Correct. Denzel left teams the ability to hedge and trap because he wasn’t effective. It also allowed them to double to post with both big men. Denzel was a great defender and and incredible offensive rebounder. AC is decent at both, but not anywhere close to where Taylor was.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:24 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Well, they tried him om Johnson in ORF and it wasn't pretty

OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:24 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Well, they tried him om Johnson in ORF and it wasn't pretty

OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:24 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Well, they tried him om Johnson in ORF and it wasn't pretty

OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.

That's what I remember. He could make some rocket passes down low. I tend to forget the bad stuff.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:24 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Well, they tried him om Johnson in ORF and it wasn't pretty

OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.

He was the swing on the top of the key in half of the half Court sets. Your statistics don’t even make sense (which is usual for you)
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I loved Denzel, but he was good for 2 turnovers per game on illegal screens alone.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 01:35 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:24 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  Well, they tried him om Johnson in ORF and it wasn't pretty

OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.

He was the swing on the top of the key in half of the half Court sets. Your statistics don’t even make sense (which is usual for you)

I can't control if you don't understand them.
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 01:35 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:33 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  OTOH, he really made a difference guarding King in that matchup. I think Johnson is too good on the perimter for him.

And don't forget Taylor was an absolute turnover machine. WHile Carver isn't the most sure handed guy, he turns the ball over a lot less.

Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.

He was the swing on the top of the key in half of the half Court sets. Your statistics don’t even make sense (which is usual for you)

I can't control if you don't understand them.

I understand them. They are pointless statistics that NO one who understands the game would you to justify a player’s worth.

For example, what is Trae young’s turnover rate?
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RE: MBB: #2 ODU vs #10 La Tech CUSAT 2nd Round
(03-09-2018 02:28 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 01:35 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(03-09-2018 11:51 AM)Justanodufan Wrote:  Taylor handled the ball way more than Carver. Considering Taylor played 900+ minutes each season and was our best hi/lo passer, his TO numbers weren't as bad as you are trying to make them out to be.

Taylor really didn't have as much of usage as you are implying. But, he did have a turnover rate of 26.9% for his career and 28.6% as a senior.

I agree, he had some sweet passes down low 1-2 times per game. He just turned it over way too much.

He was the swing on the top of the key in half of the half Court sets. Your statistics don’t even make sense (which is usual for you)

I can't control if you don't understand them.

I understand them. They are pointless statistics that NO one who understands the game would you to justify a player’s worth.

For example, what is Trae young’s turnover rate?

18%.
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