I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

Are you comparing a Duke degree to a "North Central South Dakota" degree?

(03-02-2018 03:18 PM)esposito Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

Are you comparing a Duke degree to a "North Central South Dakota" degree?

No, I'm comparing it to a NCSD degree AND an Olympic gold medal.

Plenty of NCSD grads working good jobs.

Plenty of Duke grads living in Mom's basement.

Olympic gold medals are forever. (well, maybe that is the Diamond medal).

(03-02-2018 03:46 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:18 PM)esposito Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

Are you comparing a Duke degree to a "North Central South Dakota" degree?

No, I'm comparing it to a NCSD degree AND an Olympic gold medal.

Plenty of NCSD grads working good jobs.

Plenty of Duke grads living in Mom's basement.

Olympic gold medals are forever. (well, maybe that is the Diamond medal).

Can you provide a source to back this? Thanks.

(03-02-2018 04:15 PM)Clad Scheme Owl Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:46 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:18 PM)esposito Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

Are you comparing a Duke degree to a "North Central South Dakota" degree?

No, I'm comparing it to a NCSD degree AND an Olympic gold medal.

Plenty of NCSD grads working good jobs.

Plenty of Duke grads living in Mom's basement.

Olympic gold medals are forever. (well, maybe that is the Diamond medal).

Can you provide a source to back this? Thanks.

You aren't really disagreeing with the general statement that there are wildly successful graduates of "lesser" schools and wildly unsuccessful graduates of "prominent" schools, are you.

Certainly there is a correlation of "better" schools and monetary success but it's not 1:1.

Or maybe there's a specific study comparing graduates of NDSU and Duke with which the poster is familiar?

We can all agree to disagree but I would want to play and not watch.
He was big enough that if he continued to play and improve at his size he wouldn’t have sniffed the NBA but could have played overseas. He made his own choice.
But in the more and more apparent sleazy world of NCAA hoops coach K may have convinced him he would play but actually just wanted him as an emergency backup.
I’m sure coach K could coax most kids to go there.

(03-02-2018 04:24 PM)Rice93 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 04:15 PM)Clad Scheme Owl Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:46 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:18 PM)esposito Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

Are you comparing a Duke degree to a "North Central South Dakota" degree?

No, I'm comparing it to a NCSD degree AND an Olympic gold medal.

Plenty of NCSD grads working good jobs.

Plenty of Duke grads living in Mom's basement.

Olympic gold medals are forever. (well, maybe that is the Diamond medal).

Can you provide a source to back this? Thanks.

You aren't really disagreeing with the general statement that there are wildly successful graduates of "lesser" schools and wildly unsuccessful graduates of "prominent" schools, are you.

Certainly there is a correlation of "better" schools and monetary success but it's not 1:1.

Or maybe there's a specific study comparing graduates of NDSU and Duke with which the poster is familiar?

The broader point is Obi got his olympic gold equivalent (National Championship) while going to a Rice peer (Duke).

So this whole discussion of NDSU is a strawman tangent that isn't even remotely applicable or worth debating.

Gentlemen:

North Central South Dakota is a made up school meant to represent all those "lesser"
schools. many people who rise to high position in business and government come from "lesser" schools, and many people who graduate from Ivies or other top schools never do much.

It depends on one's motivation. If the movtivation is do the once on a lifetime thing, as an NC ring or a gold medal, go for that. If being a minor player to get that once in a lifetime thing is good enough for you, do it that way. I am sure there were guys on the 1980 US hockey tem who saw very little ice time but are very happy with their gold medal and their memories of the Miracle on Ice.

My friend who values his Cotton Bowl watch was a reserve lineman. My other friend who doesn't care much was a starter. Individuals have individual feelings about this stuff.

I have championship jewelry (from another sport) gathering dust in a safety deposit box. I would not trade my Rice degree for it.

That what J/K (just kidding) means.

Our problem is that there is not as much loyalty to a school as there used to be. Players move around because they want another coach or more playing time etc. The players in the 1970s and 1980s valued a Rice education more. Some have become lawyers, a seminary professor and an investment banker.

(03-02-2018 03:13 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I'll trade my Rice degree for a North Central South Dakota degree and an Olympic gold medal.

J/K.



the rings and stuff, including the degrees mean different things to different people. I have a friend who has worn his 1967 Cotton Bowl watch every day since then. I know another guy from that same team who doesn't care.

(03-02-2018 09:16 PM)75src Wrote:  Our problem is that there is not as much loyalty to a school as there used to be. Players move around because they want another coach or more playing time etc. The players in the 1970s and 1980s valued a Rice education more. Some have become lawyers, a seminary professor and an investment banker.

Good point. But, if winning games is important, it is hard to point to that era as a good model for successful athletics at Rice.

(03-02-2018 07:04 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  I am sure there were guys on the 1980 US hockey team who saw very little ice time but are very happy with their gold medal and their memories of the Miracle on Ice.

Steve Janaszak ... he was the back-up goalie to Jim Craig during that run and never saw the ice during that Olympics. However, he knows he was as much a part of it as anyone else on the team.

Sometimes you have to recruit guys who are already on your team, and it's helpful to have examples like this to point to. That's not to say Obi made the wrong decision or regrets his decision, or others won't feel that way, but for some it might be a key point

I think there are two variables in play--how good is the player and how strong is the program he transferred into

Obi put up monster numbers on a horrible Rice team, then went to the best team in the country.

Ennis and Kazemi were likely better players at Rice and went to slightly lesser college programs, so they had more impact. Marcus Evans is likely ot have huge impact at VCU.

btw, in researching this post I learned that Ennis is playing pro ball in Serbia and become a Serbian citizen.