(03-03-2018 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:19 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Yea, I’m sure Rice charges their fans thousands of dollars for season tickets, has a 25 million dollar practice facility, and pays their coaches a top 15 salary. Totally comparable.

I guess Tennessee fans shouldn’t be pissed because Austin Peay would kill for the success Tennessee has had over the last 10 years.

I never said Memphis hoops is equal to Rice hoops...I simply want some of our fans to step back for some perspective.

You are the one that has lost his perspective. Tubby gets paid a lot of money to build a winning basketball team and that is it. He has built the worst team in modern history and you think that is acceptable. We have the worst recruiting class and the worst attendance in modern history. There should be consequences for that.

You seem to not get that if we were taking our lumps with promising freshmen and had a good class coming in no reasonable person would be complaining right now.

You think he should get a year 3 to see if we get better. Without adding talent, how in the world is year 3 going to improve by 120-130 spots? That’s literally unheard of.

Tennessee was picked last in the SEC. They were a top 70 team last year. We are barely a top 170 team.

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

(03-03-2018 04:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:23 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Have you seen the teams who have played in the CBI in the past?

off the top of my head? Pitt and Tulsa...

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketb...es-results

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

Boom goes the dynamite!

Can someone give me an example of a coach at a p5 conference level who has gone 13 straight seasons without a Sweet 16 somehow getting there in the 14th or 15th?

Seriously, how is Tubby going to pull the rabbit out of the hat next year?

I know we should give Tubby time and he'll get next year, but I would be willing to bet $100 today that Tubby will not take us to the S16 next year.

It's been 9 years since the last S16. Attendance is way down, recruiting is way down, irrelevance nationwide is a given and if we don't watch out, local irrelevance might follow.

Program is in big trouble. Still salvageable but it's gonna take a big time coach. Tubby isn't a big time coach anymore.

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

(03-03-2018 04:24 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:48 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 03:15 PM)MemphisTigers2009 Wrote:  ECU and USF smells Tiger blood. They will not be gimmes. I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis loses the next two games.

If that happens, will Tubby be gone after this season?

I don't think you'll find as many fans saying it's an impossibility as there were on the first few pages of the last game thread. Unfortunately, the team had the exact same perspective. That's when you lose -- when you think you can't.

As for next year, that team will more than likely be better than a team of 2 returnees and a whole bunch of new faces. Our strengths are getting to the line (and making them, most of the time), offensive rebounding, and blocking shots. Martin is the team leader in the first and Davenport in the other two.

Our weaknesses are 3-point defense and defensive rebounding. Both of those can be fixed, and we have shown that we have people who can, at times, knock down outside shots. If we can keep doing the things we do well and fix a couple of defensive holes, I think we could get to the top 3 in conference and to the dance if things go well. After that, it's all about matchups.

Of course, we could have a game like the last one thrown in there somewhere. Cockiness is kind of a Memphis thing, no matter how irrational it is to have it.

As far as who the coach is -- that's somebody else's decision. The team is still my team.

You don’t lose by 24 and not compete at all because you overlooked a team.

Loyola Marymount beat the defending national champion by 34 in the tournament. Yeah, sometimes you do. If you get punched in the mouth, sometimes it's hard to recover, especially if you didn't see it coming.

We were down 10 in a little over 6 minutes and twice that 12 minutes later. The game was over at half time. When you get demoralized like that, you don't come back. Did you not see Raynere Thornton wide open for a baseline three late in the game and too scared to take it? We absolutely lost that game because they didn't think it could happen and completely lost their composure when things went bad.

(03-03-2018 04:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:23 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Have you seen the teams who have played in the CBI in the past?

off the top of my head? Pitt and Tulsa...

CBI is pay to play.

(03-03-2018 05:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:23 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Have you seen the teams who have played in the CBI in the past?

off the top of my head? Pitt and Tulsa...

CBI is pay to play.

I'm not saying we should play in the CBI. Now this is off topic but I do think the NIT should expand to 64 teams to run off the CBI and CIT.

(03-03-2018 05:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

What are they rebuilding with? I always thought you had to recruit players to rebuild.

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

What are they rebuilding with? I always thought you had to recruit players to rebuild.

Myreon Jones
https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320

Jamal Johnson
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070

David Nickelberry
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

Victor Enoh
https://247sports.com/player/victor-enoh-79619

Parks and Davenport were also good finds...Martin should be back...I like our team.

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:23 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Have you seen the teams who have played in the CBI in the past?

off the top of my head? Pitt and Tulsa...

CBI is pay to play.

I'm not saying we should play in the CBI. Now this is off topic but I do think the NIT should expand to 64 teams to run off the CBI and CIT.

That's a great idea.

(03-03-2018 05:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

What are they rebuilding with? I always thought you had to recruit players to rebuild.

Myreon Jones
https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320

Jamal Johnson
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070

David Nickelberry
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

Victor Enoh
https://247sports.com/player/victor-enoh-79619

Parks and Davenport were also good finds...Martin should be back...I like our team.

I guess I haven't been keeping up with recruiting. First I've heard about Jones. Sounds like a good get. Now we need a big.

(03-03-2018 09:37 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

What are they rebuilding with? I always thought you had to recruit players to rebuild.

Myreon Jones
https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320

Jamal Johnson
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070

David Nickelberry
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

Victor Enoh
https://247sports.com/player/victor-enoh-79619

Parks and Davenport were also good finds...Martin should be back...I like our team.

I guess I haven't been keeping up with recruiting. First I've heard about Jones. Sounds like a good get. Now we need a big.

#321 Connor Vanover 7'2" C
https://247sports.com/player/connor-vanover-85013

Cusping.

(03-03-2018 07:47 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:41 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:28 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:23 PM)smytiger Wrote:  Have you seen the teams who have played in the CBI in the past?

off the top of my head? Pitt and Tulsa...

CBI is pay to play.

I'm not saying we should play in the CBI. Now this is off topic but I do think the NIT should expand to 64 teams to run off the CBI and CIT.

That's a great idea.

Agree.

Tic "The Parasite" Price was as bad as it gets. Josh was not the answer, but he held things together when Cal took the program to Lex. Tubby has had a great career but it's time to bring the fireworks back. Hire Penny now.

(03-03-2018 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:19 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Yea, I’m sure Rice charges their fans thousands of dollars for season tickets, has a 25 million dollar practice facility, and pays their coaches a top 15 salary. Totally comparable.

I guess Tennessee fans shouldn’t be pissed because Austin Peay would kill for the success Tennessee has had over the last 10 years.

I never said Memphis hoops is equal to Rice hoops...I simply want some of our fans to step back for some perspective.

Then you failed. Because it's the wrong perspective.

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:19 PM)Dylan Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

Yea, I’m sure Rice charges their fans thousands of dollars for season tickets, has a 25 million dollar practice facility, and pays their coaches a top 15 salary. Totally comparable.

I guess Tennessee fans shouldn’t be pissed because Austin Peay would kill for the success Tennessee has had over the last 10 years.

I never said Memphis hoops is equal to Rice hoops...I simply want some of our fans to step back for some perspective.

You are the one that has lost his perspective. Tubby gets paid a lot of money to build a winning basketball team and that is it. He has built the worst team in modern history and you think that is acceptable. We have the worst recruiting class and the worst attendance in modern history. There should be consequences for that.

You seem to not get that if we were taking our lumps with promising freshmen and had a good class coming in no reasonable person would be complaining right now.

You think he should get a year 3 to see if we get better. Without adding talent, how in the world is year 3 going to improve by 120-130 spots? That’s literally unheard of.

Tennessee was picked last in the SEC. They were a top 70 team last year. We are barely a top 170 team.

The only time in modern Tiger history where we were this level of bad (I don't care aboiut W-L, look at the kenpom and RPI numbers) and it was acceptable was the year after we lost Penny when Vaughn was injured and Chris Garner, Cedric Henderson were freshmen as well as Deuce Ford (who ended not panning out but All-American), + sophmore Rodney Newsom. That team had a ton of potential obviously, just needed a year of seasoning, plus Lorenzen was on the way.

That's an acceptable getting stomped roster. This is not.

(03-03-2018 05:17 PM)ddramone Wrote:  Can someone give me an example of a coach at a p5 conference level who has gone 13 straight seasons without a Sweet 16 somehow getting there in the 14th or 15th?

Seriously, how is Tubby going to pull the rabbit out of the hat next year?

I know we should give Tubby time and he'll get next year, but I would be willing to bet $100 today that Tubby will not take us to the S16 next year.

It's been 9 years since the last S16. Attendance is way down, recruiting is way down, irrelevance nationwide is a given and if we don't watch out, local irrelevance might follow.

Program is in big trouble. Still salvageable but it's gonna take a big time coach. Tubby isn't a big time coach anymore.

I'd be willing to bet 100k that we won't

(03-03-2018 05:58 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:49 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 05:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 04:31 PM)smytiger Wrote:  

(03-03-2018 12:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I have a friend who went to Rice that I was talking hoops with and he told me "it seems these last 4 seasons are considered down years to Memphis fans...those 4 seasons would represent the best Rice basketball run in decades" he went on to add "we sure wouldn't turn down CBI bids like Memphis has"

so it's all perspective...one man's trash is another man's treasure.

My perspective is as follows; Memphis should never lose to sub 300 teams much less than 2 in the same season, never lose at home to one of those teams by 24, lose by a combine 80 plus points against 2 teams in a row, have several buzzer beaters in one season against low major teams. In the meantime this staff has one recruit who is a 300 plus ranked player coming in?

My perspective is this coach is not doing his job and has failed.

that is unrealistic IMHO as bad Ls happen to every team...we all knew this would be a rebuild and that's exactly what it is. As I said already:

(03-03-2018 01:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  I will say logically year 3 of a 5 year deal is when the folks who make those decisions have to decide 'extend or separate?'

by this time next season we will know if Tubby is able to get Harris, Moss, or Jones to sign...we'll know if Memphis is able to make the NCAAs like he did at TTU and Minny.

What are they rebuilding with? I always thought you had to recruit players to rebuild.

Myreon Jones
https://247sports.com/Player/Myreon-Jones-90320

Jamal Johnson
https://247sports.com/player/jamal-johnson-77070

David Nickelberry
https://247sports.com/player/david-nickelberry-86138

Victor Enoh
https://247sports.com/player/victor-enoh-79619

Parks and Davenport were also good finds...Martin should be back...I like our team.

The other teams get better too. Better recruits, another year of experience etc etc.