IF we fired Tubby (which we aren’t doing) then it would be Penny, IMO.

Maybe we don't have to fire him. Come to some mutual agreement to part ways where it suits everyone involved. I know he probably won't walk away from over 3 mil a year but you never know. Wishful thinking on my part.

(03-02-2018 02:11 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Paul Weir at New Mexico. He makes about $650K, took a team to 3rd in Mountain West and was picked at the bottom. The team is on the NCAA bubble. He likes to press.
There are many options that don't cost $3M.

Would make a gr8 assistant.....To Penny...trash team in a trash league...No ties to Memphis, we CAN't Take ANY MORE RISKS from outsiders that don't understand the Memphis paradigm...We ARe A SpeCial bunch

We need a Memphis coach who understands the MEMPHIS fan base. Penny would do that.

They’ll give Tubby another year and then hire Penny with Penny coming in with an army of his recruits ready to Make Memphis Greatest Again. I could see a 30 for 30 In the future that talks about when Memphis was at an all time low they decided to make a change. They chose to fire a HOF coach for one of their own, Memphis native A. Penny Hardaway. Penny brings in kids he coached in HS blah blah blah they make a final 4 run blah blah blah.

(03-02-2018 04:38 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  We need a Memphis coach who understands the MEMPHIS fan base. Penny would do that.

Penny is part of that fan base.

(03-02-2018 05:03 PM)jamammy Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 04:38 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  We need a Memphis coach who understands the MEMPHIS fan base. Penny would do that.

Penny is part of that fan base.

(03-02-2018 02:15 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  IF we fired Tubby (which we aren’t doing) then it would be Penny, IMO.

Don't know if we can afford not too. Fans leaving by the bus load, fans have just stopped caring (apathy), season tickets sales have dropped off dramatically along with TSF donations (apathy), top local talent leaving the city for other programs. So yea, not so sure we can't afford not too.

(03-02-2018 02:07 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:03 PM)cmt Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:51 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion.
Penny solves attendance, excitement and recruiting voids immediately.
Those points make any risks of his hiring diminish.

There are at least a dozen better options that don't involve the risk of hiring a former Tiger great and hometown hero with ZERO college coaching experience, much less college head coaching experience.

Agree with this. I just do not think Penny will turn out well. Intriguing for sure...

Really, and how have the last 2 done, one up and comer...excited, workaholic, eat-breathe-sleep basketball and one over the hill..experienced,respected, asleep, clueless, already-retired. I say Penny would be great and if in 10 years we haven't gotten past the sweet sixteen, then we retire him and hire a new one. Penny will get us talent and talent is all you need to get in the NCAAs. And, what if he and his assistants can actually coach?

No need to get all worked up. I did say it is intriguing and I would still prb be ok with it if it happened. I just prefer someone with some actual experience running a college program.. shoot me

So, if not Penny, then who? I don't watch enough other teams to know a lot of names that would even be candidates. I do know Penny would not make things worse.

Here is a list. Any of these guys intrigue anyone?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27404...in-2017-18

(03-02-2018 12:46 PM)MTiger14 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 11:10 AM)80sTiger Wrote:  Remember when UT fans protested when they were about to hire Schiano ? I remember when I thought that was ridiculous.

Right?!? I thought that was such a bad look for their program and fan base (which I LOVED), and then it ended up working out for them! It was like a spoiled, entitled brat kicking and screaming until it eventually got its way. Meanwhile, we're over here stuck with gramps...

Will we ever get a euphoric season where our football team AND basketball team are competitive? I'm not asking for a college FB playoff appearance and a Final Four in the same year for crying out loud. It would just be awesome to have two major programs in post season play. A bowl victory for the FB team and a NCAA tourney appearance where we make it to the second weekend. Is that unrealistic? Not with the resources and support that we have!

To answer your question, no, it’s not unrealistic. And I’m confident Rudd agrees with you.

Pretty simple

offer Penny the job for $500k a year

This is 5x+ what he makes at East

After Tubby's buyout is over then convert Penny to the $3M a year we pay Tubby

If Penny wants the job he will take it at $500k a year

We can easily raise an extra $500k for 3 years to give it a test run

(03-02-2018 10:02 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Pretty simple

offer Penny the job for $500k a year

This is 5x+ what he makes at East

After Tubby's buyout is over then convert Penny to the $3M a year we pay Tubby

If Penny wants the job he will take it at $500k a year

We can easily raise an extra $500k for 3 years to give it a test run

Based on the 6 year 1.5 mil paradigm thats been kicked around, this sounds like a savings.... I think Penny's contract should be loaded with incentives: ie;post-season appearances; wins over top 25 programs; top recruiting classes; coach of the year; conference championships; fan retention; etc...

It's amazing because this could bring us out of the dark ages and would be spending less....GTFOH

(03-02-2018 10:12 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 10:02 PM)Nobody4Prez Wrote:  Pretty simple

offer Penny the job for $500k a year

This is 5x+ what he makes at East

After Tubby's buyout is over then convert Penny to the $3M a year we pay Tubby

If Penny wants the job he will take it at $500k a year

We can easily raise an extra $500k for 3 years to give it a test run

Based on the 6 year 1.5 mil paradigm thats been kicked around, this sounds like a savings.... I think Penny's contract should be loaded with incentives: ie;post-season appearances; wins over top 25 programs; top recruiting classes; coach of the year; conference championships; fan retention; etc...

It's amazing because this could bring us out of the dark ages and would be spending less....GTFOH

Paradigm? You think Penny should have stuff that no coach in NCAA history has had in their contracts?

(03-02-2018 02:24 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:11 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Paul Weir at New Mexico. He makes about $650K, took a team to 3rd in Mountain West and was picked at the bottom. The team is on the NCAA bubble. He likes to press.
There are many options that don't cost $3M.

Would make a gr8 assistant.....To Penny...trash team in a trash league...No ties to Memphis, we CAN't Take ANY MORE RISKS from outsiders that don't understand the Memphis paradigm...We ARe A SpeCial bunch

We can't take risks and you want us to hire Penny? He is the pure definition of a risk. You are hilarious. You don't even understand what you are typing.

How can anyone assume Penny would happily agree to getting paid only 500k for a job that everyone with a pulse is worth several million a year? I haven't heard anything from him stating he would accept below market wages for a very high profile position.

(03-03-2018 09:11 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  How can anyone assume Penny would happily agree to getting paid only 500k for a job that everyone with a pulse is worth several million a year? I haven't heard anything from him stating he would accept below market wages for a very high profile position.

What is fair market value for a high school coach? 500k is generous.

(03-02-2018 11:58 AM)Born2Steel Wrote:  OK. I'm on board with moving on. Now, who's on the new coach list?

1. I see a lot of division on Penny. I like that idea and would be for it. But seems that would not bring the fans together, not immediately anyway.

2. Who else should be on this list?

Understand, I'm truly asking. Not being sarcastic or trolling. Leave some names of coaches we could hire here.

There is currently a lot of debate about Penny. But that is not the same as division. I believe if Penny were hired, all true fans would support him whether they agreed with the choice or not. He would bring the fans together like no other candidate could.

For example, if we were to hire Forbes, many people would be thrilled. But many would not. Many would just continue or start to tune out the program. Just as they did with Tubby. Sure, he's proven a bad fit. But many ruled him out before he coached a single game. Those are divisive examples. Penny has the advantage of being a local legend from high school through the pros, and back to high school. He is the most unifying candidate possible. If that's what you're looking for.

(03-02-2018 01:40 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 01:23 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just an opinion.
Penny solves attendance, excitement and recruiting voids immediately.
Those points make any risks of his hiring diminish.

There are at least a dozen better options that don't involve the risk of hiring a former Tiger great and hometown hero with ZERO college coaching experience, much less college head coaching experience.

Names?

Keeping in mind they would have to be affordable as we pay off another coach.
Agreeable to coming into a program which has run off 2 coaches in 3 years - including one well-respected.
Willing to take on a rebuild.
Under the radar - as we're in no position to get in a bidding war with the power conferences.

I am open to other possibilities - been saying Majerle for years. But let's be real.

(03-02-2018 02:11 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Paul Weir at New Mexico. He makes about $650K, took a team to 3rd in Mountain West and was picked at the bottom. The team is on the NCAA bubble. He likes to press.
There are many options that don't cost $3M.

Interesting name. They went last year to the NCAA in his first year, but this year they're 17-14. Don't see the bubble.

But let's say we want him. How much can we afford if we're paying Tubby $10M over the next 6 years? Is $1.5M our budget? Can we get him for that money, or does he wait on a bigger offer? That's what we're going to run into with guys with no ties to the Memphis area. Can we afford them and outbid for them.

(03-03-2018 01:53 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:24 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 02:11 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Paul Weir at New Mexico. He makes about $650K, took a team to 3rd in Mountain West and was picked at the bottom. The team is on the NCAA bubble. He likes to press.
There are many options that don't cost $3M.

Would make a gr8 assistant.....To Penny...trash team in a trash league...No ties to Memphis, we CAN't Take ANY MORE RISKS from outsiders that don't understand the Memphis paradigm...We ARe A SpeCial bunch

We can't take risks and you want us to hire Penny? He is the pure definition of a risk. You are hilarious. You don't even understand what you are typing.

The pro-Penny crowd is off the reservation. They imagine he'll bring all his players, which he probably won't. Then they imagine he'll have no trouble reeling in 5 stars, which he's never done before. Then they assume he can run a program, which he's never done before. Then they assume he can motivate and lead players, which he does have a track record of, albeit at a lower level. Then they assume he'll hire the right staff to help x/o coaching etc.

It's a massive risk and a mammoth number of unknowns