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For f sake love each other

(03-02-2018 10:59 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  For f sake love each other

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About 2/3 of gun homicides are suicides.
Roughly 3% of gun crimes are committed with legal weapons.

This is one of my son-law's best friends.He had a day off and his wife would have been sleeping, but was out shopping.

abcnews.go.com/US/video/man-fatally-shoots-home-intruder-phone-911-43909041

Wondered how much more secure my youngest's school could really be made with proposed changes. Even with the increased security presence and single entry checkpoints, weapons still can be smuggled in vehicles or shooters take positions just outside of campus. A speeding truck or car could plow into walkers in a crosswalk or on the sidewalks.

(03-02-2018 12:20 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  About 2/3 of gun homicides are suicides.
Roughly 3% of gun crimes are committed with legal weapons.

This is one of my son-law's best friends.He had a day off and his wife would have been sleeping, but was out shopping.

abcnews.go.com/US/video/man-fatally-shoots-home-intruder-phone-911-43909041

Wondered how much more secure my youngest's school could really be made with proposed changes. Even with the increased security presence and single entry checkpoints, weapons still can be smuggled in vehicles or shooters take positions just outside of campus. A speeding truck or car could plow into walkers in a crosswalk or on the sidewalks.

I agree. Because people can be killed a thousand ways, makes no sense to limit a few ways. It's just like football. You can take away the run but the other team will just kill you with the pass, so why waste time taking away the run? AND THEN even, a few will even try some illegal holding so why make it illegal? Why even look for it or try and inhibit it?

Roughly what percent of the school and institutional shootings have been committed by illegal guns by the way? I've been trying to dig up that data since I'm sure it will support my premise.

I am struck by the fact that most of these mass murders are mentally disturbed and are on psychotropic drugs. I wonder if these drugs (or withdrawal from them) have an adverse triggering effect on some mentally disturbed patients who go on to become mass murderers in these tragic, senseless rampages.

Mentally disturbed kind of by definition, regardless any previous diagnosed history but I've not seen data that "most" of these are on psychotropic drugs, which depending upon what you're refering to, are generaly prescribed to prevent such outbursts.

The number that have slipped through the finges of our agencies charged with containing these threats is kind of growing though, isn't it? Scary to think the problems and threats may be growing beyond our ability to constitutionally contain.

(03-02-2018 05:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Mentally disturbed kind of by definition, regardless any previous diagnosed history but I've not seen data that "most" of these are on psychotropic drugs, which depending upon what you're refering to, are generaly prescribed to prevent such outbursts.

The number that have slipped through the finges of our agencies charged with containing these threats is kind of growing though, isn't it? Scary to think the problems and threats may be growing beyond our ability to constitutionally contain.

One thing which scares me is if people, e.g., managers, co-workers, neighbors, teachers, etc. etc. are afraid to deal with a worker, neighbor, student, etc. for fear that the person may 'act out' and 'go postal.'

A real problem.

(03-02-2018 05:37 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 05:03 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  Mentally disturbed kind of by definition, regardless any previous diagnosed history but I've not seen data that "most" of these are on psychotropic drugs, which depending upon what you're refering to, are generaly prescribed to prevent such outbursts.

The number that have slipped through the finges of our agencies charged with containing these threats is kind of growing though, isn't it? Scary to think the problems and threats may be growing beyond our ability to constitutionally contain.

One thing which scares me is if people, e.g., managers, co-workers, neighbors, teachers, etc. etc. are afraid to deal with a worker, neighbor, student, etc. for fear that the person may 'act out' and 'go postal.'

A real problem.

We've had a few of those in the news lately where those people did act, they reported the problem, evidence was clear and.... ball dropped but yeah, it has to be a solution by the masses.

(03-02-2018 04:57 PM)T-Town Wrote:  I am struck by the fact that most of these mass murders are mentally disturbed and are on psychotropic drugs. I wonder if these drugs (or withdrawal from them) have an adverse triggering effect on some mentally disturbed patients who go on to become mass murderers in these tragic, senseless rampages.

This one sounds like it was some sort of drug related thing. The victims were his own parents. They look like nice folks, his father was a part time police officer. This is a real tragedy.

(03-03-2018 11:23 AM)Toledo Football 1st Wrote:  

(03-02-2018 04:57 PM)T-Town Wrote:  I am struck by the fact that most of these mass murders are mentally disturbed and are on psychotropic drugs. I wonder if these drugs (or withdrawal from them) have an adverse triggering effect on some mentally disturbed patients who go on to become mass murderers in these tragic, senseless rampages.

This one sounds like it was some sort of drug related thing. The victims were his own parents. They look like nice folks, his father was a part time police officer. This is a real tragedy.

Plenty of drug abuser don't murder their parents, has to be more going on here.

Turns out it was a kid killing his parents - and his father was a police officer. Haven't heard the entire story yet - but mentioned he had just been released from a hospital for a drug related problem.

I can remember as a kid hearing about the sniper down in Texas that was at the top of their bell tower picking off people that were quite a distance away. How many remember the name of Charles Whitman? Also killed 17 (including his mother and wife the night before) and injured around 30. That was 52 years ago. He had an arsenal of 7 rifles and pistols, 700 rounds of ammunition, water, food, ear plugs, toilet paper and Dexedrine so he would stay awake. He was planning on being there for a long time. He was similar to Cruz in that he was diagnosed with mental issues and a lack of impulse control.

Whatever measures that are taken with arming teachers and placing better security will surely help. It will likely move the murders to another "soft target" - or the murders will occur through another weapon - likely to eventually be from drones that can be purchased for less than the cost of a rifle. Biological agents, bombs, vehicles, etc. Evil people will find a way to gain their notoriety before they depart. I think we can expect there will be people who are suspected of being crazy enough to kill others. They will be reported on. Then they will sue.

I don't currently own a gun, but I am getting one. If one thing has become abundantly clear - you have to learn to defend yourself and not rely on others who may be lazy, stupid, or both. It's not a criticism of LE - but they will not be around all the time. If the criminal is armed and you are not - you have a few options available - the ability to run and have an available escape avenue, fight for your life with your bare hands or whatever you can find near you, or beg for your life to be spared.

The other thing I am curious about is whether this shooting will have any effect on the MAC wrestling championships scheduled to begin today up in Mount Pleasant. I wouldn't think so since the killer has been apprehended and it was not a random attack on students on campus. Still, has to be unsettling for those visiting from around the league.

Turns out it did have an impact of some sort. Tourney was scheduled to start at noon, but they moved the starting time back to 5:30. Streamed on ESPN3, the announcers would only say it was because of an incident on the campus and didn't mention there was a shooter. Most people knew what happened, but I think it is a good thing they don't keep over-exposing these issues. Any other nutcase out there looking for attention in a mind that is not thinking clearly - sure knows how he can get his name known across the country. The fact that it is notorious instead of famous doesn't seem to matter. The matches on Saturday that were not televised didn't end until after 11pm. Then they had to come back and start up again on Sunday at noon.