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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-01-2018 11:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: Basically Frazier feels the P6 narrative devalues the rest of the G5. Aresco argues that the P6 narrative is about the AAC and has nothing to do with the other non-power conferences---to which Frazier responds---
"So I'm supposed to give them [respect] because they've got some false narrative of P6? No," Frazier said. "I think people know that. That's the reason they don't have a [Power Five designation] now is those teams have not historically been good in football. That's why there is a Big East basketball and American in football. [The market] looked at the football, and they were horrible. That was the difference."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
Don't plaster the entire MAC just because NIU currently has an idiotic AD. And yes, he was the guy that thought a G5 playoff was a good idea. Amongst the G5 I think he was the only guy in the country to think that was a good idea.
Come to think of it, our previous AD ended up at ECU. I'm sure ECU fans on here can relate how that has turned out. Must be something in the water in DeKalb.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 04:05 PM)NIU007 Wrote: Don't plaster the entire MAC just because NIU currently has an idiotic AD. And yes, he was the guy that thought a G5 playoff was a good idea. Amongst the G5 I think he was the only guy in the country to think that was a good idea.
Come to think of it, our previous AD ended up at ECU. I'm sure ECU fans on here can relate how that has turned out. Must be something in the water in DeKalb.
ECU must have screwed a preacher's wife to deserve Compher.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
The narrative must be working for him to be crowing about it so loud.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 06:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
Upshot is, NIU needs a new AD and probably a new coach too. We don't have the money that AAC schools have so I can't blame the AD for that (mostly). The MAC took short term money from ESPN instead of looking long term.
He just needs to shut his yapper.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
"I don't give a flying donkey about the American and their P6 ego hype! We're all in the same boat together. There is no difference between them and the MAC. I say again, there is no difference between them and us! You look at success on the national stage. TV ratings. Attendance. Investment in facilities. Quality of football and basketball players. Quality of coaches. The numbers don't lie. You can take that to the bank! Make a damn overnight deposit for all I care. "
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 06:07 PM)vick mike Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 07:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:07 PM)vick mike Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-03-2018 09:39 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:07 PM)vick mike Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-03-2018 09:43 AM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-03-2018 09:39 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:07 PM)vick mike Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:04 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote: This has it all.
College football media types run around with crocodile tears "Woe is College Football! I lament the separation by the power conferences. I am sad for you guys, and I wish we could have Cinderellas!! But here, embrace the lower status with this non-viable G5 playoff idea."
AAC says, "No we are going to do our best to keep up with the cartel. We'll invest in facilities and keep coaches' salaries good enough that they won't run for cartel conference bottom feeders at least. We'll commit to full cost of attendance and other autonomy rules to keep up. And we'll deliver with on field performance and ratings."
The McMurphys of the world simlutaneously say that there won't be money, even tweener P6 money, for the American but somehow, someone gonna make it rain for a G5 playoff when they don't for FCS playoff.
Frazier seems truly angry that instead of hanging our heads and embracing the suck we're trying to move up. The G4's first line of defense: "They're no better than us! We're all in the same boat!" Nope. Record vs G4s, record vs Playoff5 conference teams, composite rankings, viewership - all closer to P5 than to G4. Budgets and attendance not "closer to" but head and shoulders above the G4. Sorry - not gonna handicap ourselves because you might get left behind and or feel bad. Even Dodd says "AAC is generally accepted as the best of" the non-contract-bowl-conferences.
One of my favorite Dodd agenda-drivers from the article follows: "But the TV marketplace long ago determined the American and the other Group of Five leagues receive only a fraction of the revenue of their Power Five counterparts."
Hmmm... let me fix that for you, Dennis: "Five years ago, fearing for the very survival of the American, the TV marketplace grouped the American with the other Group of Five leagues with only a fraction of the revenue of their Playoff Five conference counterparts. It remains to be seen if the American's performance since those uncertain times will be reflected in a "P6" contract."
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I'm having a little trouble figuring out what is affirmation for my post, and what is the Bearcats#1 - HuskyU bromance ascending to new heights.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-03-2018 10:05 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: (03-03-2018 09:43 AM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-03-2018 09:39 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-02-2018 06:07 PM)vick mike Wrote: I love you.
Me too.
I love you.
Me too.
I'm having a little trouble figuring out what is affirmation for my post, and what is the Bearcats#1 - HuskyU bromance ascending to new heights.
I think I hear the Village People in the background.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-04-2018 01:02 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: (03-03-2018 10:05 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote: (03-03-2018 09:43 AM)HuskyU Wrote: (03-03-2018 09:39 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:32 PM)HuskyU Wrote: Me too.
I love you.
Me too.
I'm having a little trouble figuring out what is affirmation for my post, and what is the Bearcats#1 - HuskyU bromance ascending to new heights.
I think I hear the Village People in the background.
One cannot deny how good I look in leather...
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 07:09 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:
"I don't give a flying donkey about the American and their P6 ego hype! We're all in the same boat together. There is no difference between them and the MAC. I say again, there is no difference between them and us! You look at success on the national stage. TV ratings. Attendance. Investment in facilities. Quality of football and basketball players. Quality of coaches. The numbers don't lie. You can take that to the bank! Make a damn overnight deposit for all I care. "
Tell me he didn't say this... everything he said was wrong.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-04-2018 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:09 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:
"I don't give a flying donkey about the American and their P6 ego hype! We're all in the same boat together. There is no difference between them and the MAC. I say again, there is no difference between them and us! You look at success on the national stage. TV ratings. Attendance. Investment in facilities. Quality of football and basketball players. Quality of coaches. The numbers don't lie. You can take that to the bank! Make a damn overnight deposit for all I care. "
Tell me he didn't say this... everything he said was wrong.
Obvious he was high on something
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-01-2018 11:46 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: Basically Frazier feels the P6 narrative devalues the rest of the G5. Aresco argues that the P6 narrative is about the AAC and has nothing to do with the other non-power conferences---to which Frazier responds---
"So I'm supposed to give them [respect] because they've got some false narrative of P6? No," Frazier said. "I think people know that. That's the reason they don't have a [Power Five designation] now is those teams have not historically been good in football. That's why there is a Big East basketball and American in football. [The market] looked at the football, and they were horrible. That was the difference."
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-04-2018 01:32 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote: (03-02-2018 07:09 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:
"I don't give a flying donkey about the American and their P6 ego hype! We're all in the same boat together. There is no difference between them and the MAC. I say again, there is no difference between them and us! You look at success on the national stage. TV ratings. Attendance. Investment in facilities. Quality of football and basketball players. Quality of coaches. The numbers don't lie. You can take that to the bank! Make a damn overnight deposit for all I care. "
Tell me he didn't say this... everything he said was wrong.
I thought that was the Venezuelan president. They're jealous of the AAC too you know.
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RE: NIU AD Upset Over AAC "P6" Campaign
(03-02-2018 07:09 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:
"I don't give a flying donkey about the American and their P6 ego hype! We're all in the same boat together. There is no difference between them and the MAC. I say again, there is no difference between them and us! You look at success on the national stage. TV ratings. Attendance. Investment in facilities. Quality of football and basketball players. Quality of coaches. The numbers don't lie. You can take that to the bank! Make a damn overnight deposit for all I care. "
"And you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop."
-Chief Tyrol, because that's what he sounds like. A rabble rousing big mouth....
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