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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
It seems like every year the coach of the year discussion devolves into a discussion of whether it should be awarded to the coach of the best overall team or the coach who did the most with the least.

Owens, Oats, and Kowalczyk all have very valid arguments to be made in their favor. If it’s one of those three I don’t see myself second guessing the decision. I think Whitford would be the only possible name that would surprise me since BSU doesn’t really fall into the overachieving category and they’re just on the outside of the best team in the league discussion.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
Here is my thought on Owens.. He has done a great job, but Miami is still playing a first round game this year in the tournament. If Owens can build what he started this year and work his way into the Top 4 next year, he will be a shoe in to get it next season.

To me, it Is between Oats and Kowalczyk. These two guys have led their teams to 14 and 13 wins respectively in the MAC. If Buffalo wins tomorrow night, they would be just the fourth team to win 15 MAC games in a season since 1995-96.. That is pretty damn impressive and should be a factor in becoming MAC Coach of the Year
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
Ok, but maybe slightly less impressive when you factor in the years the teams only played 16 games. Maybe you should include all the teams in those years that went 14-2, which is a higher win pct. than 15-3.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-01-2018 10:27 AM)axeme Wrote:  Ok, but maybe slightly less impressive when you factor in the years the teams only played 16 games. Maybe you should include all the teams in those years that went 14-2, which is a higher win pct. than 15-3.

I could, but then my argument isn't as good 04-cheers
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
If I still had a vote, it'd probably go to Toledo.
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Coach K is now 0-5 vs. other top 4 seeds. Yikes.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
Winner of the tourney gets my vote.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
...except they give it out early in the week. The awards are all based on regular season.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
If the 2018 MAC season were only 9 games long and started in February, then Rob Murphy would have my full support as a COY candidate. He's brought out the best in his team since falling to 3-6, but unfortunately, those first 9 still count. He'll likely get some votes, though.

I'd still go with Kowalczyk. However, the Buffalo fans make some great points about where to draw the line with performance and expectations, and Nate Oats has done a phenomenal job keeping Buffalo at the top of the MAC. I don't think anyone could really argue if he won it.

I think those are the only two legit candidates, MAYBE Murphy as well. Both Ball State and Miami collapsed at the end of the season, and that will almost certainly cost their coaches some votes. I know, it's not very original saying the top 3 teams, but it was a pretty rough year all around for the conference. Next season should be better.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-03-2018 03:12 AM)axeme Wrote:  ...except they give it out early in the week. The awards are all based on regular season.

True, but I'm voting next Saturday. 03-lmfao

(oh, I don't have a vote. "nothing to see here")
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
Just went back and looked... Buffalo was not picked to win the MAC, Western Michigan was. So UB exceeded expectation by a good amount.

Oats for COY https://www.ubbullrun.com/2018/3/3/17066...be-mac-coy
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What’s a good amount? How low was Buffalo picked?
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Never mind. I looked it up myself. UB was picked to win the East—expectation met. WMU was picked to win the MAC tourney by one vote over UB. If UB were to win the tourney, they would have slightly exceeded expectations, but it’s irrelevant because COY is based on the regular season and awarded before the tourney is over. So what expectation did Oats exceed by a good amount?
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
Question: Can you exceed expectations by a bad amount?
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
I don't know why pre-season predictions of how good a team is going to be this year should weigh so heavily on the coach of the year decision. Buffalo returned 2 of their top 5 scorers from last year so Oats had plenty of talent to replace - which he has done so successfully. Massinburg and Perkins have improved in every season they've been here. Start to finish Buffalo has been the top team in the MAC this year. That sounds like the best coaching job in the MAC.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-04-2018 01:30 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  I don't know why pre-season predictions of how good a team is going to be this year should weigh so heavily on the coach of the year decision. Buffalo returned 2 of their top 5 scorers from last year so Oats had plenty of talent to replace - which he has done so successfully. Massinburg and Perkins have improved in every season they've been here. Start to finish Buffalo has been the top team in the MAC this year. That sounds like the best coaching job in the MAC.

Of course we have no idea if pre-season expectations play ANY role in COY. We don’t get to choose. I think what some people are saying by their choices is that it’s possible to do the best coaching job without having the best record.

I’m still curious as to which coach you would vote for if you couldn’t vote for Oats? I think we get that all the UB fans on here want their coach to win, Toledo fans like their coach, etc.

There are some sports that take the voting out of it and give COY to the conference champ. That kind of takes the fun out of it.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-04-2018 01:03 PM)JSF Wrote:  Question: Can you exceed expectations by a bad amount?

Depends on what the expectations where... I only expected UB football to lose 5 games last year... The exceeded that by a bad amount...
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-04-2018 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 01:30 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  I don't know why pre-season predictions of how good a team is going to be this year should weigh so heavily on the coach of the year decision. Buffalo returned 2 of their top 5 scorers from last year so Oats had plenty of talent to replace - which he has done so successfully. Massinburg and Perkins have improved in every season they've been here. Start to finish Buffalo has been the top team in the MAC this year. That sounds like the best coaching job in the MAC.

Of course we have no idea if pre-season expectations play ANY role in COY. We don’t get to choose. I think what some people are saying by their choices is that it’s possible to do the best coaching job without having the best record.

I’m still curious as to which coach you would vote for if you couldn’t vote for Oats? I think we get that all the UB fans on here want their coach to win, Toledo fans like their coach, etc.

There are some sports that take the voting out of it and give COY to the conference champ. That kind of takes the fun out of it.

I'd probably vote for Rob Murphy at this point if I couldn't vote for my own coach.. I thought they were done for in late January after our game, but I give him a ton of credit for getting his team a bye to Cleveland.
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
(03-04-2018 02:18 PM)axeme Wrote:  
(03-04-2018 01:30 PM)GoBullsGo Wrote:  I don't know why pre-season predictions of how good a team is going to be this year should weigh so heavily on the coach of the year decision. Buffalo returned 2 of their top 5 scorers from last year so Oats had plenty of talent to replace - which he has done so successfully. Massinburg and Perkins have improved in every season they've been here. Start to finish Buffalo has been the top team in the MAC this year. That sounds like the best coaching job in the MAC.

Of course we have no idea if pre-season expectations play ANY role in COY. We don’t get to choose. I think what some people are saying by their choices is that it’s possible to do the best coaching job without having the best record.

I’m still curious as to which coach you would vote for if you couldn’t vote for Oats? I think we get that all the UB fans on here want their coach to win, Toledo fans like their coach, etc.

There are some sports that take the voting out of it and give COY to the conference champ. That kind of takes the fun out of it.

I'm just saying "they're good but they were supposed to be good" shouldn't be a knock against a coach in an award for best coach.

If I were't voting for Oats, Coach K at Toledo would be my choice. Toledo has been the second most consistently good team throughout the season and they prove to be a match-up problem for most in the league. His players have both size and shooting ability. His biggest knock is obviously his record against the other top teams in the MAC, but I've been impressed by their offensive efficiency.

I've been very impressed by Jack Owens at Miami. He had a lot to replace and in a short time has filled that team with a bunch of very promising players. They've struggled down the stretch so he isn't my top choice but they're the only team that has beaten Buffalo with 40 solid minutes of play in the conference slate.

EMU may very well be the hottest team in the MAC right now, but weren't EMU fans just calling for his firing about a month ago?
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RE: MAC Coach of the Year
TK does not deserve coach of the year. The fast start in the league had more to do with not scheduling EMU and BSU in the first half of the season. Probably the third best team in the division that happened to do better vs the other side
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