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LeBron calls for NBA to develop alternative development system to NCAA
Quote:LeBron James called the NCAA a "corrupt" organization and said the NBA should further develop its minor league system to give young ballplayers a viable alternative.

"I don't know if there's any fixing the NCAA. I don't think there is," James said Tuesday. "It's what's been going on for many, many, many, many years. I don't know how you can fix it. I don't see how you can fix it."

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/22596...lternative

I disagree. I think the NCAA could either be fixed or possibly replaced with an organization that works. But it cannot be done with simple changes. It will require a revolutionary change that ends the NCAA's hypocrisy about amateurism and honestly addresses the financial opportunities available to star players.
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Maybe its not a horrible idea.

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I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.
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(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

The college game might actually return to more of a team-oriented game with 4-year players who are actual college students.

I have to tell you that a lot of those were just as much fun to watch...as a team with a one-year superstar and his supporting cast.

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If kids want money, there should be a minor league system to accommodate them and let them move up to the pros when they are deemed ready.

Baseball and hockey do not have these problems because those leagues developed proper minor league systems.
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I am 100% for the NBA dropping draft age back to 18 but barring that I'll take the G League signing players straight from high school. So they skim off the best, big deal. When you are no longer battling for the first round draft pick kid who could take nearly any Division I team to at least the Sweet Sixteen, the pressure drops dramatically.

Change the CBA so any player turning down a G League offer has to wait two or three years to be draft eligible.
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(02-27-2018 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am 100% for the NBA dropping draft age back to 18 but barring that I'll take the G League signing players straight from high school. So they skim off the best, big deal. When you are no longer battling for the first round draft pick kid who could take nearly any Division I team to at least the Sweet Sixteen, the pressure drops dramatically.

Change the CBA so any player turning down a G League offer has to wait two or three years to be draft eligible.

Changing the CBA isn't going to be easy. That decision is always up to the players currently in the league, and they feel no responsibility to look out for future players who will take their roster spot.
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(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

I tend to agree that it would actually be a net benefit for the NCAA.

However, if it's a true farm system, we're likely talking more than 10-20 players. Each NBA farm team would probably add at least 2 U.S. players each year. So, that's at least 60 of the highest potential players each year that would no longer play in the NCAA or have their NCAA careers cut short.
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(02-27-2018 04:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

I tend to agree that it would actually be a net benefit for the NCAA.

However, if it's a true farm system, we're likely talking more than 10-20 players. Each NBA farm team would probably add at least 2 U.S. players each year. So, that's at least 60 of the highest potential players each year that would no longer play in the NCAA or have their NCAA careers cut short.

I bet we'd still have a tournament and I bet it would still be very entertaining.

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(02-27-2018 04:06 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

I tend to agree that it would actually be a net benefit for the NCAA.

However, if it's a true farm system, we're likely talking more than 10-20 players. Each NBA farm team would probably add at least 2 U.S. players each year. So, that's at least 60 of the highest potential players each year that would no longer play in the NCAA or have their NCAA careers cut short.

I bet we'd still have a tournament and I bet it would still be very entertaining.

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Yes and yes. And, with older and more loyal teams, the level of play might actually improve.
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(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

Not really. It lost out on tons of players who had no business entering the draft.
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(02-27-2018 04:35 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

Not really. It lost out on tons of players who had no business entering the draft.

Can anybody name any of those players? And how many is a ton? Losing out on those players doesn't seem to have diminished the popularity of college basketball very much, if at all. It could probably be said of some of those players that they had no business entering college either.
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NBA could have 2 g leagues with one for under 21 year olds, call it g2. Than get rid of the 1 and done and make it 21 age requirement to play in the nba or 1 season in the g 1 or 2 league
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(02-27-2018 04:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am 100% for the NBA dropping draft age back to 18 but barring that I'll take the G League signing players straight from high school. So they skim off the best, big deal. When you are no longer battling for the first round draft pick kid who could take nearly any Division I team to at least the Sweet Sixteen, the pressure drops dramatically.

Change the CBA so any player turning down a G League offer has to wait two or three years to be draft eligible.

Changing the CBA isn't going to be easy. That decision is always up to the players currently in the league, and they feel no responsibility to look out for future players who will take their roster spot.

That brings up a question for which there is no satisfactory answer: Why does the law allow the NBA players and management to negotiate away the rights of people who are not yet NBA players?
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(02-27-2018 04:44 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:35 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:38 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  I 100% agree with him. There's no reason to force players to become "student-athletes" for one year if they want to go to the NBA.

Losing 10-20 one-and-done players will not hurt college basketball; on the contrary it will be a good thing. NCAA basketball did quite well before the NBA instituted an age limit in 2006.

Not really. It lost out on tons of players who had no business entering the draft.

Can anybody name any of those players? And how many is a ton? Losing out on those players doesn't seem to have diminished the popularity of college basketball very much, if at all. It could probably be said of some of those players that they had no business entering college either.

"Ranking the Worst 1-and-Done Decisions in College Basketball History" - from 2014

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/20496...ll-history

And another interesting article: https://herosports.com/news/one-and-done...visualized
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The problem is funding. D-I colleges have around 3500 scholarship players (say 10 per school). Even if only 1/3rd are serious prospects, a league would need to take in 1200 players, which to be feasible would require at least 100 teams.

So we are talking about an entire minor league system, which simply isn't in place. Basically the G-League is trying to transform from an A or AA to a AAA level, but has only 27 teams (Washington Wizards team coming on board next year which I count, Mexico City perhaps in another year - but that is for Latin American prospects; the Pelicans has stalled out, they have not found any city willing to host, and ownership not gun ho to invest their own money). But the layers below the G-League are not there. At a minimum you'd probably want "B" teams for each G-League operation, so that the deep bench players and really raw and still developing players could get some court time.

As is, yes the G-League could easily handle the top 25 High School prospects, perhaps the top 50 with some financial expansion and investment. But it's not there now. (IMO that could be done, but it requires convincing owners to shell out $3-5M a year from their own pockets to fund that)

As for all the 50-300 rated high school prospects, forget it.

Ideally the NBA would like to see these guys play a year. Perhaps a level-2 "rookie" G-League, only for college aged players with no G-League or NBA experience(this would allow a player to leave college after Frosh, Soph or Junior years) where the league would run teams, say 10 to 12 of them in neutral cities, especially those with WNBA teams (Connecticut, Seattle, Las Vegas) or otherwise large enough metros or Basketball interest (St. Louis, Kansas City, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Louisville, Baltimore, etc -- need one in Texas, say Austin), each NBA club having full access to scout. A college length schedule of at least 25 but not more than 30 games, and relatively compact time frame (Basically New Years to end of March). Anyway the top 50-70 prospects, plus players who showed well in college can play a year, and get showcased for the NBA draft .You could even have New York and Toronto international prospect teams.

I think a prospects "rookie" league could be the trick needed. Hum, maybe it's not totally crazy, and could still give the G-League it's place as the development league, since even now half the draft picks wind up spending a year or more down there.
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Is the lack of the development of basketball and football minor leagues due to the fact that these sports grew out of the collegiate level instead of the professional level like hockey and baseball?
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(02-27-2018 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 04:00 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-27-2018 03:49 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  I am 100% for the NBA dropping draft age back to 18 but barring that I'll take the G League signing players straight from high school. So they skim off the best, big deal. When you are no longer battling for the first round draft pick kid who could take nearly any Division I team to at least the Sweet Sixteen, the pressure drops dramatically.

Change the CBA so any player turning down a G League offer has to wait two or three years to be draft eligible.

Changing the CBA isn't going to be easy. That decision is always up to the players currently in the league, and they feel no responsibility to look out for future players who will take their roster spot.

That brings up a question for which there is no satisfactory answer: Why does the law allow the NBA players and management to negotiate away the rights of people who are not yet NBA players?

This can't be overstated. Banging on the NCAA is easy but the one and done was an NBA decision, one designed to allow older players to hang around and keep GM's from blowing crazy jack on Kwame Brown type picks. Its not that the law allows it, it just hasn't ever been challenged.
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(02-27-2018 05:40 PM)solohawks Wrote:  Is the lack of the development of basketball and football minor leagues due to the fact that these sports grew out of the collegiate level instead of the professional level like hockey and baseball?

More that college basketball and college football was far more popular than their profession counterparts for much of the first half of the 20th century IMO.

But the existence of a minor league wouldn't resolve the issue. These players aren't interested in the minor league baseball experience. Better to go to the bigs and fail than toil at that level.
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(02-27-2018 05:19 PM)Wedge Wrote:  That brings up a question for which there is no satisfactory answer: Why does the law allow the NBA players and management to negotiate away the rights of people who are not yet NBA players?

It's a contract between the NBA and the player's UNION. Union eligibility requirements are extremely pertinent to that relationship.
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