https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads....23.18.pdf

I have nothing against any one of his ideas and would love to see it implemented in more states (like Texas). Some of the ideas he mentioned are already active in other states.

Some of the more interesting ideas...

Require each school to have a threat assessment team including a teacher, a local law
enforcement officer, a human resource officer, a DCF employee and DJJ employee, and
the principal to meet monthly to review any potential threats to students and staff at the school. (ETA-I would actually try to include a few students on this team - I think they might be able to identify a threat better than the others although it would have to be the right type of student)...

Mandatory School Resource Officers in every public school. These law enforcement
officers must either be sworn sheriff’s deputies or police officers and be present during all hours students are on campus. The size of the campus should be a factor in determining staffing levels by the county sheriff’s office, and Governor Scott is proposing at least one officer for every 1,000 students. This must be implemented by the start of the 2018 school year (ETA-it might be difficult to do this all hours since there are tons of extracurricular events on a school's campus)...

There are other solid ideas in there too. I do think the funding might not be enough to accomplish all of these goals.

I like a lot of what he proposes.

One I don't like:

Quote:Require all individuals purchasing firearms to be 21 years old or over.

Exceptions include active duty and reserve military and spouses, National Guard members, and law enforcement

Absolutely meaningless legislation that restricts the rights of citizens with no tangible gain.

What I would have liked to see is civil and legal penalties for agencies and individuals that fail to do their job and they result in an incident like this.

(02-25-2018 07:10 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I like a lot of what he proposes.

One I don't like:

Quote:Require all individuals purchasing firearms to be 21 years old or over.

Exceptions include active duty and reserve military and spouses, National Guard members, and law enforcement

Absolutely meaningless legislation that restricts the rights of citizens with no tangible gain.

What I would have liked to see is civil and legal penalties for agencies and individuals that fail to do their job and they result in an incident like this.

So a 20 year old single mother can't arm herself, or is it just illegal to purchase not own?

Feel free to vote on it 6 months from now when the hysteria has died down. I doubt it will have much support.

No legislation should come off the back of a tragedy, pressured by a group of kid activists being fed talking points by anti-gun groups, yet are immune to criticism (because they're kids and victims), who don't know the difference between a spokeswoman and a CEO (Hogg called Dana Loesch the CEO of the NRA), using authoritarian tactics (calling their political opponents "murderers"), and organizing boycotts against companies that do business with an organization that had absolutely NOTHING to do with said tragedy.

(02-25-2018 06:46 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Some of the more interesting ideas...
Require each school to have a threat assessment team including a teacher, a local law
enforcement officer, a human resource officer, a DCF employee and DJJ employee, and
the principal to meet monthly to review any potential threats to students and staff at the school. (ETA-I would actually try to include a few students on this team - I think they might be able to identify a threat better than the others although it would have to be the right type of student)...
Mandatory School Resource Officers in every public school. These law enforcement
officers must either be sworn sheriff’s deputies or police officers and be present during all hours students are on campus. The size of the campus should be a factor in determining staffing levels by the county sheriff’s office, and Governor Scott is proposing at least one officer for every 1,000 students. This must be implemented by the start of the 2018 school year (ETA-it might be difficult to do this all hours since there are tons of extracurricular events on a school's campus)...
There are other solid ideas in there too. I do think the funding might not be enough to accomplish all of these goals.

Cut out all the social engineering crap, put the focus back in the classroom and on the basics, and fund this with the savings. Plus the quality of education would improve. Like the idea of students on the Threat Assessment Team. But it has to be real with real powers, not a kabuki team.

You have to give credit where it’s due. A lot of common sense in there.

I don't know that you need a resource officer in every school. First I would think you would need to see where these incidents have happened. I suspect its overwhelmingly high schools. High schools make sense. Middle schools maybe. Not sure about elementary schools (again, it would depend on where these incidents have taken place).

Before limiting the age to 21, we would need some solid evidence that it makes a difference. With raising the drinking age to 21, we had massive amounts of evidence. Limiting a right needs data, not gut feelings.

(02-25-2018 09:30 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You have to give credit where it’s due. A lot of common sense in there.

It's proposals like these, and not knee-jerk sound bytes, that we need. I don't necessarily agree 100% with everything he proposes, but it should all be on the table.

More dangerous places for kids to be than at school.

(02-25-2018 06:41 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.flgov.com/wp-content/uploads....23.18.pdf

I have nothing against any one of his ideas and would love to see it implemented in more states (like Texas). Some of the ideas he mentioned are already active in other states.

As a republican who loathes Rick Scott.. I think this is a good list of ideas.

Bump stocks won't make any difference whatsoever, there will be another shooting, and the precedent will be set to go after another accessory that won't make a difference.

Rinse, repeat.

(02-25-2018 10:09 PM)bullet Wrote:  I don't know that you need a resource officer in every school. First I would think you would need to see where these incidents have happened. I suspect its overwhelmingly high schools. High schools make sense. Middle schools maybe. Not sure about elementary schools (again, it would depend on where these incidents have taken place).

Before limiting the age to 21, we would need some solid evidence that it makes a difference. With raising the drinking age to 21, we had massive amounts of evidence. Limiting a right needs data, not gut feelings.

Absolutely you do in high schools and middle schools (and I think Scott's number of 1000 per 1 resource officer is about right - for schools smaller than that, you can share the resources). Yes, it's not needed for elementary schools. Unfortunately these cops are mostly needed for traffic control at the beginning and the end of the day. But during school hours, they're needed for security reasons - to break up fights, prevent drug (or vaping) usage and just be there for visibility reasons.

I'm disagreeing with all this....

how hard would it be to mandate manned entrance with metal detection???

federally fund the tech and let the municipalities/states fund the manning...

shoot holes it....I'm all ears....

all I see is a shiteload of more bs in this proposal that doesn't guarantee a dayum thing in prevention....