(02-22-2018 10:51 AM)NIUAlum90 Wrote: When in HS, I joined a youth group that met at the Western Springs Baptist church. I had stopped being a Catholic (if that is possible) and the church I went to was the first church that Billy Graham was the pastor at after he graduated from Wheaton College, which was down the road from Western Springs, IL.
Later on, I went to the opening ceremony of the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College. I was impressed. The people who took me wanted to make fun of the opening and the hoopla. They were hateful people. I enjoyed it and it was a great night for me. Tons of people showed up.
Later on, I met my wife and went back to the Catholic Church. I am even a Knight of Columbus. I never forgot the kindness and openness of the people of that Baptist Church in WS.
The Lord is very powerful and moves you in ways and places you with people who shape your life forever.
RIP Rev. Graham.
#henceMessage
that's a nice synopsis of what that man was all about.....and he was 'also' only one man.....
(02-22-2018 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Apparently, according to Speaker Ryan, his body will lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda for two days next week.
Not sure how I feel about this. Who do we normally honor in this way?
Regardless...Rev. Graham will certainly not be the only thing lying in the Capitol for two days!
Petty little smart ass MF'er who contributes nothing.
Well its true. Pelosi and Schiff will be in the Capitol.
As I said, he filled up UK's stadium for 3 nights running. I remember even seeing him on local TV-there was no need for a blackout. He was on TV a lot in those stadiums.
(02-22-2018 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Apparently, according to Speaker Ryan, his body will lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda for two days next week.
Not sure how I feel about this. Who do we normally honor in this way?
Regardless...Rev. Graham will certainly not be the only thing lying in the Capitol for two days!
(02-21-2018 07:14 PM)umbluegray Wrote: I was able to attend one of his crusades when he spoke at Liberty Bowl Memorial Stadium decades ago. The place was packed. SRO
Billy Graham delivered Christs message of peace, love, and the brotherhood of mankind better than I ever could.
(That said, I think Franklin Graham is quite good himself. Certainly not his father but who is ? A bit more aggressive on many things - and in a way, I am glad he is.)
Along with Pope John Paul II and Mother Teresa, Billy Graham were the "grand three" of Christian ambassadors to much of the non-Christian world in the latter half of the 20th century - and yes, PJP2 and M.T. were great Godly people too and if those two also didn't make it to Heaven then none of the rest of us will go.
Those three helped unite Catholics and Protestants under the banner of Christianity and I, for one, would like to see more fellowship between the wings of Christianity instead of the back biting, which is what the Devil wants IMO (back biting and division that is. But to hell with the Devil. In fact, the Devil can kiss my ass!).
(02-22-2018 12:22 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Apparently, according to Speaker Ryan, his body will lie in state in the Capitol Rotunda for two days next week.
Not sure how I feel about this. Who do we normally honor in this way?
Regardless...Rev. Graham will certainly not be the only thing lying in the Capitol for two days!
Rosa Parks was the last non government person to lie in state. I think its deserved
I believe for the majority of his life he practiced what he preached. Im not a fan of evangelists particularly...but...I have nothing bad to say about this one. Rest in Peace Sir.
One thing that has bothered me reading the coverage of his passing is everyone says the same thing; that he preached the Gospel here, there and across the world. They say he spread the Gospel like no other modern day preacher. Report after report, article after article repeating the same thing.....He preached the Gospel to the world. But none of them ever bother to say what the Gospel is one single time.
If you respect the man and revere him and his teachings as many claim, then it seems like you would value defining what the Gospel is that Graham tried so hard to share. They could literally just include one sentence and point to 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. But article after article fails to ever say what the Gospel was. Yet they praise Graham and his teaching so proudly.
If you value the message so much, this is the time and place to share it. Even if its just one single sentence.
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1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
I agree with you on some of this. Graham played it down the middle in many TV interviews and didn't mention Jesus that much but during his crusades/revivals ? He really took the filter off and preached the purity of Christs message.
That said, he never, to my knowledge at least, talked bout Revelations. Other than Hal Lindsey, very few do and I wish some would. It is a veritable futuristic space opera like story, that book.
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
I agree with you on some of this. Graham played it down the middle in many TV interviews and didn't mention Jesus that much but during his crusades/revivals ? He really took the filter off and preached the purity of Christs message.
That said, he never, to my knowledge at least, talked bout Revelations. Other than Hal Lindsey, very few do and I wish some would. It is a veritable futuristic space opera like story, that book.
People get very offended over things like timing of the rapture, who is here for the tribulation, the Jews and several other things in Revelation and some of the other prophets. Which is totally unnecessary and very silly, but its a real issue today in our culture. So most churches are afraid to touch on much of it.
Also most Christians just generally don't study their bible very much, and studying prophecy and the OT is really for those who take Bible study much more seriously.
Revelation and the prophets are basically the more advance studies because you have to start with a strong grasp of the entire Bible, particularly the OT. If you don't have an intimate knowledge of the OT, its virtually impossible to study these things accurately. For example, ALL the symbolic pictures given in Revelation are found and explained in the OT books. But they are scattered around the entire OT, so you have to have seriously studied every single book. You have to know the Kingdom age and the Torah inside and out, and those are the more boring parts of the bible for most people.
Its amazing how obvious many of these symbolic pictures become the better you know the OT. Entire passages in Revelation begin to jump off the page with really plain and obvious meanings. The bible lays out patterns that are repeated from Genesis through Revelation.
Its also important to understand studying these things is not about predicting exact details of all earthly events if the future, but most people look at it like that. Its really meant for most people to understand the bigger picture more than all the tiny details. But people end up arguing the smaller details into the ground and getting super offended over them.
1 Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
I agree with you on some of this. Graham played it down the middle in many TV interviews and didn't mention Jesus that much but during his crusades/revivals ? He really took the filter off and preached the purity of Christs message.
That said, he never, to my knowledge at least, talked bout Revelations. Other than Hal Lindsey, very few do and I wish some would. It is a veritable futuristic space opera like story, that book.
People get very offended over things like timing of the rapture, who is here for the tribulation, the Jews and several other things in Revelation and some of the other prophets. Which is totally unnecessary and very silly, but its a real issue today in our culture. So most churches are afraid to touch on much of it.
Also most Christians just generally don't study their bible very much, and studying prophecy and the OT is really for those who take Bible study much more seriously.
Revelation and the prophets are basically the more advance studies because you have to start with a strong grasp of the entire Bible, particularly the OT. If you don't have an intimate knowledge of the OT, its virtually impossible to study these things accurately. For example, ALL the symbolic pictures given in Revelation are found and explained in the OT books. But they are scattered around the entire OT, so you have to have seriously studied every single book. You have to know the Kingdom age and the Torah inside and out, and those are the more boring parts of the bible for most people.
Its amazing how obvious many of these symbolic pictures become the better you know the OT. Entire passages in Revelation begin to jump off the page with really plain and obvious meanings. The bible lays out patterns that are repeated from Genesis through Revelation.
Its also important to understand studying these things is not about predicting exact details of all earthly events if the future, but most people look at it like that. Its really meant for most people to understand the bigger picture more than all the tiny details. But people end up arguing the smaller details into the ground and getting super offended over them.
So you are saying some of the bible is not literal? Never thought I'd read that from you.
Seems to me you are one of the biggest offenders when it comes to grinding details into the ground.
(02-25-2018 12:14 PM)Old Dominion Wrote: So you are saying some of the bible is not literal? Never thought I'd read that from you.
Seems to me you are one of the biggest offenders when it comes to grinding details into the ground.
Probably because you only hear and see what you want to hear and see, much like your politics.
Pretending I claim there are no parables or symbology in the bible (particularly Revelation) is about as dishonest as it gets. You know better and this is nothing but a cheap whiny, crybaby post on your part.
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