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Ideas on how to make espn a mid-major.
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(02-24-2018 07:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,

I am sorry, if ECU would have gotten their basketball program just to NIT level every year, they would have been in the Big East 20 years ago. The basketball program has been the albatross around ECU's neck. Again, I will never understand why ECU could never get basketball off the ground but that is the primary reason why ECU has been kept our of BCS and P5 conferences. That is not ESPN's fault. Currently, the current AD is what is holding ECU down, not ESPN.

I agree with his overall logic (except that everyone is not a mid-major, there are low majors as well and true mid-majors get lumped in with them) but also have to go with this. ECU easily could have advanced forward but they don't even dominate at their own level. At least if they had been as good as Boise these last 20 years they'd do better.
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(02-25-2018 12:05 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 07:45 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,

I am sorry, if ECU would have gotten their basketball program just to NIT level every year, they would have been in the Big East 20 years ago. The basketball program has been the albatross around ECU's neck. Again, I will never understand why ECU could never get basketball off the ground but that is the primary reason why ECU has been kept our of BCS and P5 conferences. That is not ESPN's fault. Currently, the current AD is what is holding ECU down, not ESPN.

I have to disagree. What’s going on with the Big 12 is a case in point. ESPN has become a monopoly, just like Standard Oil, Microsoft, Bell Telephone, etc. Time to give ESPN a rival.

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(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 03:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Words are what you make of them.

Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.
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(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 03:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Words are what you make of them.

Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?


D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...
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(02-25-2018 12:57 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  I only watch live sports, do not listen to them on radio, do not read their stupid magazine and do not go online except for fantasy

I'm pretty much with you here. Watch live sports on ESPN and very little else. Occasionally, I catch PTI in the afternoon and I do watch College Game Day during the season, but it's been years since I sat through an entire sportscenter.

But I do watch a TON of live sports on the ESPN family.
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(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 03:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Words are what you make of them.

Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.
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(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 03:48 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Words are what you make of them.

Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?
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(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

It's not complicated - "major" can refer to conference or school. E.g., UConn is a "major" basketball program even though it is in the "mid-major" AAC conference.

It can be that way. 07-coffee3
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(02-25-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

It's not complicated - "major" can refer to conference or school. E.g., UConn is a "major" basketball program even though it is in the "mid-major" AAC conference.

It can be that way. 07-coffee3

Yes, I'm talking conferences, not schools per se. And these aren't my definitions, BTW, Billy.
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(02-25-2018 11:09 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

It's not complicated - "major" can refer to conference or school. E.g., UConn is a "major" basketball program even though it is in the "mid-major" AAC conference.

It can be that way. 07-coffee3

Yes, I'm talking conferences, not schools per se. And these aren't my definitions, BTW, Billy.

Nerd, I know it’s not your definition. ESPN is responsible for pushing this destructive label on us. Just like “Non P5” “Non BCS”
ESPN is responsible.
I want them out.
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(02-25-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

It's not complicated - "major" can refer to conference or school. E.g., UConn is a "major" basketball program even though it is in the "mid-major" AAC conference.

It can be that way. 07-coffee3

So you consider the AAC a mid-major Quo? Is that a fact to you? Gospel?
If so I disagree 100% with you on that.
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I don't like ESPN either but pointing out facts is hardly a conspiracy to "kill" anything.
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(02-25-2018 01:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't like ESPN either but pointing out facts is hardly a conspiracy to "kill" anything.

There's a serious level of butthurt here over really benign terms.
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(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 04:21 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Media and then case ESPN has used deadly words against us. But it’s more than words, espn has attempted to kill our schools.
I want them out.

What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

You sure DePaul doesn't have an arena?
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(02-25-2018 11:22 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

It's not complicated - "major" can refer to conference or school. E.g., UConn is a "major" basketball program even though it is in the "mid-major" AAC conference.

It can be that way. 07-coffee3

So you consider the AAC a mid-major Quo? Is that a fact to you? Gospel?
If so I disagree 100% with you on that.

Yes, AAC performance in college hoops the past five years is text-book "mid-major", where "mid-major" means the next level down from the "major" level.

Major conferences - SEC, Big East, ACC, PAC, B1G, Big 12. They have been categorically better than the AAC the past four years.

According to RealTimeRPI, the AAC has been either the #7 or #8 conference the entire last 5 years. In none of those years have they ever had a better conference RPI than any of the P6 conferences. In contrast, all of the top 6 conferences have spent the entirety of that time within the top 6, ranging up or down inside it, but never outside of it.

That makes the AAC classically mid-major, and so far that hasn't changed with Wichita State. It might change in the future, but on the court so far it hasn't.
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(02-25-2018 02:56 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:11 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 07:24 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(02-24-2018 10:15 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  What would you prefer the group of conferences outside the most powerful conferences be called besides G5 in FBS and mid-major in basketball?

Division 1 conference. One of the 10 FBS conferences. I want them called by what they officially are.

(02-25-2018 07:40 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  D-1?

Why is that so objectionable?

What else do we delineate along completely arbitrary, made up names? Lot of that stuff will get you into trouble...

The term DI is not objectionable. Then again, neither are P5, G5, mid-major, etc. These terms are not inherently derogatory. They simply reflect the very real gap in money, talent, and prestige between the P5 and G5 in FBS and the P6 and mid-majors in basketball. It's naive or misleading to not recognize such a distinction.

I can list several schools who have averaged top 25 in attendance for the past several years in basketball who aren’t “P6”. One of them has a losing record this year and still this year averages 12k in their 16k arena. (New Mexico)
By your definition, DePaul who plays in front of few fans & doesn’t have an arena is a “major” correct?
By your definition, Cincy, Uconn, Wichita St, Memphis, UNLV, SDSU, UNM, BYU, Dayton & St Louis in their big nice arenas that have hosted NCAA tournament games and even final 4’s are “mid-majors” correct?

You sure DePaul doesn't have an arena?

You mean the place they play in is their own? They own it? If I’m wrong I’ll admit it.
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(02-25-2018 02:38 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 01:02 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I don't like ESPN either but pointing out facts is hardly a conspiracy to "kill" anything.

There's a serious level of butthurt here over really benign terms.

You are welcome to not post here.
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