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(02-26-2018 02:28 PM)DMadison Wrote:  Where should that money go, and why?

It SHOULD go toward the DHN network
02-26-2018 03:08 PM
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(02-26-2018 10:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 01:20 PM)jmu14 Wrote:  At this point, the only way forward is for players to be able to cash in on their "name and likeness." Universities shouldn't be in the business of paying student-athletes, but if there is a market for student-athletes to secure loans based on potential future earnings, why shouldn't they be able to? It's a financial risk for the folks giving out the loans, but that's capitalism right?

"Student-athletes"? Ah...one question. Who among these top MBB schools is really all about their "student-athletes" earning a college education?

If the "student-athlete" is about playing ball, and not earning a college degree, he shouldn't be in school. He should be playing in some professional development league. No need for loans, "full-cost of attendance" etc. Let the pros and wannabe pros be pros, and the college game be clean, and played by true "student-athletes"

I fully agree but I don't think that's happening any time soon. Universities are making WAY too much money with this system. No university is going to willingly give up this cash cow.

So now we have to find a way forward and I just don't think anyone involved is going to go along with a professional development league that replaces big time college ball. Maybe if we had dealt with this earlier, but far too much money is being made for universities to just give this up.
02-26-2018 11:34 PM
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(02-26-2018 11:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 10:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 01:20 PM)jmu14 Wrote:  At this point, the only way forward is for players to be able to cash in on their "name and likeness." Universities shouldn't be in the business of paying student-athletes, but if there is a market for student-athletes to secure loans based on potential future earnings, why shouldn't they be able to? It's a financial risk for the folks giving out the loans, but that's capitalism right?

"Student-athletes"? Ah...one question. Who among these top MBB schools is really all about their "student-athletes" earning a college education?

If the "student-athlete" is about playing ball, and not earning a college degree, he shouldn't be in school. He should be playing in some professional development league. No need for loans, "full-cost of attendance" etc. Let the pros and wannabe pros be pros, and the college game be clean, and played by true "student-athletes"

Hopefully this will happen if/when the NBA redoes its entry rules. I hope they adopt the MLB rules (straight out of HS or 3 years in college), but they will probably go with 2 years in college in the NBA. Hope that helps clean up this mess, but I think the major thing that has to happen is a revamping of the NCAA and it's rules and ability to enforce them.

Agree, if they NBA adopted the MLB draft rules most of this would be a non-issue. Let those that want to forgo college do so.....granted most will probably crash and burn, but that is their problem. The NCAA and amateur sports are not there as a safety net to protect these 18 year-old prima-donnas from making a bad decision. The one & done thing has made a mockery of higher education even at high profile academic schools.

I don't think it's that simple. Most players can't jump straight to the NBA, so they'll have to come to college. If you look at a lot of the players who are accused of taking money, many of them weren't even one and done guys. This money goes so much deeper into the college game than the Marvin Bagleys and DeAndre Aytons. Everyone with a shooter's chance of making the NBA is a target for agents, and agents are alright with spreading their risk around for the chance to hit with a lottery pick.
02-26-2018 11:38 PM
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(02-26-2018 11:38 PM)jmu14 Wrote:  I don't think it's that simple. Most players can't jump straight to the NBA, so they'll have to come to college. If you look at a lot of the players who are accused of taking money, many of them weren't even one and done guys. This money goes so much deeper into the college game than the Marvin Bagleys and DeAndre Aytons. Everyone with a shooter's chance of making the NBA is a target for agents, and agents are alright with spreading their risk around for the chance to hit with a lottery pick.

I agree that the NBA changing the entry rules will not fix things overnight, but I think it is a very important cog in the machine. I think another major factor (which I don't know if I have mentioned in this thread or not) is a restructuring of the NCAA. The NCAA model needs to be updated to address today's amateur game, not the game that existed for the first half of the NCAA's lifespan (founded in 1906!). I think that should include a more comprehensive ability to investigate, ability to look at off-field/in-classroom issues (why does ND get punished for S-A's not doing work, but UNC does not? Should cases like Sandusky and Nassar fall under NCAA jurisdiction?), and, selfishly, I would say an equal dispersion of monies from NCAA sponsored events to close the gap between the haves and the have nots (if the P5 don't like it, then they can form their own monopoly, but the NCAA should treat all amateur institutions as equal).

Just my two cents on half a cup of coffee so far.
02-27-2018 10:18 AM
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(02-27-2018 10:18 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:38 PM)jmu14 Wrote:  I don't think it's that simple. Most players can't jump straight to the NBA, so they'll have to come to college. If you look at a lot of the players who are accused of taking money, many of them weren't even one and done guys. This money goes so much deeper into the college game than the Marvin Bagleys and DeAndre Aytons. Everyone with a shooter's chance of making the NBA is a target for agents, and agents are alright with spreading their risk around for the chance to hit with a lottery pick.

I agree that the NBA changing the entry rules will not fix things overnight, but I think it is a very important cog in the machine. I think another major factor (which I don't know if I have mentioned in this thread or not) is a restructuring of the NCAA. The NCAA model needs to be updated to address today's amateur game, not the game that existed for the first half of the NCAA's lifespan (founded in 1906!). I think that should include a more comprehensive ability to investigate, ability to look at off-field/in-classroom issues (why does ND get punished for S-A's not doing work, but UNC does not? Should cases like Sandusky and Nassar fall under NCAA jurisdiction?), and, selfishly, I would say an equal dispersion of monies from NCAA sponsored events to close the gap between the haves and the have nots (if the P5 don't like it, then they can form their own monopoly, but the NCAA should treat all amateur institutions as equal).

Just my two cents on half a cup of coffee so far.

There lies the major problem. The NCAA makes too much money from the P5 to ever consider this and the P5 love to use the NCAA as its scapegoat on why they don't pay their players fair share.

The NCAA and in reality, college athletics, should never have been the leader for amateur sports in the US. Amateurism has really dug itself a hole in the US and I'm not sure there is any good way out.
02-27-2018 11:59 AM
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(02-24-2018 11:46 PM)JMUNation Wrote:  I hope the big schools leave the NCAA. Go be semi pro. Go be whatever you want. I am disgusted by the cheating that has occurred for decades,

I wonder if the U.S. is moving towards separating sports and schools altogether. Will we end up with sports clubs like Europe?

This is one reason I have backed of Bourne and Co on a conference move...does any of it matter down the road?
02-27-2018 01:04 PM
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(02-26-2018 11:33 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 11:11 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  
(02-26-2018 10:35 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 01:20 PM)jmu14 Wrote:  At this point, the only way forward is for players to be able to cash in on their "name and likeness." Universities shouldn't be in the business of paying student-athletes, but if there is a market for student-athletes to secure loans based on potential future earnings, why shouldn't they be able to? It's a financial risk for the folks giving out the loans, but that's capitalism right?

"Student-athletes"? Ah...one question. Who among these top MBB schools is really all about their "student-athletes" earning a college education?

If the "student-athlete" is about playing ball, and not earning a college degree, he shouldn't be in school. He should be playing in some professional development league. No need for loans, "full-cost of attendance" etc. Let the pros and wannabe pros be pros, and the college game be clean, and played by true "student-athletes"

Hopefully this will happen if/when the NBA redoes its entry rules. I hope they adopt the MLB rules (straight out of HS or 3 years in college), but they will probably go with 2 years in college in the NBA. Hope that helps clean up this mess, but I think the major thing that has to happen is a revamping of the NCAA and it's rules and ability to enforce them.

Agree, if they NBA adopted the MLB draft rules most of this would be a non-issue. Let those that want to forgo college do so.....granted most will probably crash and burn, but that is their problem. The NCAA and amateur sports are not there as a safety net to protect these 18 year-old prima-donnas from making a bad decision. The one & done thing has made a mockery of higher education even at high profile academic schools.

I've been yelling this from the top of the mountain for years. If they want to go pro, let them. If they want to come to college let them, but they have to stay for three years.
02-27-2018 01:19 PM
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