(02-23-2018 02:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:50 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  As sad as it is...This may be better for the team next year if everyone returns because it forces other guys to accept a bigger role

I was thinking the same thing. We will also see if its true that this team plays better as a unit without Martin. I am not quite sold on that.

The two games we played without Martin we hit 9 and 10 three pointers...If those shots don't go in as is usual with this team we don't look spectacular.

I think this team is a better defensive team without Martin...Same thing goes for Davenport.

Bad when your best offensive players CHOOSE to not compete at the highest level on defense.

The whole lineup was different surrounding Martin when he played.

Jamal and Davenport got more mins...at least I think they did. I'm not going back to check. Plus he never got rested.

(02-23-2018 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...He played when he should have rested. Structurally, he was off. You could see him limping sometimes. When you are structurally off, other injuries are common place.

this sucks

As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...He played when he should have rested. Structurally, he was off. You could see him limping sometimes. When you are structurally off, other injuries are common place.

this sucks

As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...He played when he should have rested. Structurally, he was off. You could see him limping sometimes. When you are structurally off, other injuries are common place.

this sucks

As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...He played when he should have rested. Structurally, he was off. You could see him limping sometimes. When you are structurally off, other injuries are common place.

this sucks

As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

(02-23-2018 02:33 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:30 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:50 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 01:46 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  As sad as it is...This may be better for the team next year if everyone returns because it forces other guys to accept a bigger role

I was thinking the same thing. We will also see if its true that this team plays better as a unit without Martin. I am not quite sold on that.

The two games we played without Martin we hit 9 and 10 three pointers...If those shots don't go in as is usual with this team we don't look spectacular.

I think this team is a better defensive team without Martin...Same thing goes for Davenport.

Bad when your best offensive players CHOOSE to not compete at the highest level on defense.

The whole lineup was different surrounding Martin when he played.

Jamal and Davenport got more mins...at least I think they did. I'm not going back to check. Plus he never got rested.

Oh I agree Martin likely felt he had to play the whole game and couldn't get in foul trouble because he needed to carry the scoring load.

But that should not be allowed and the fault goes back to the coaching staff for tolerating it...When your leader is consistently taking plays off that is contagious.

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:31 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  ...He played when he should have rested. Structurally, he was off. You could see him limping sometimes. When you are structurally off, other injuries are common place.

this sucks

As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

This is just sad for Martin--no matter who no matter what.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

edit: I actually didn't think who made the decision--but am guessing it was a group effort.

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

"He played when he should have rested" - Combined with your daily opinions on our coach, not much of a stretch, IMO.

And you bring up the blame thing again. How about no one is to blame? Injuries happen all the time with no one being at fault.

(02-23-2018 02:56 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

"He played when he should have rested" - Combined with your daily opinions on our coach, not much of a stretch, IMO.

And you bring up the blame thing again. How about no one is to blame? Injuries happen all the time with no one being at fault.

Blame didn't enter my post till you brought up the word.

Bad try. I don't even look at injuries in the usual way.

I have been trained by Shaolin Grandmaster Thai Mantis Kung Fu Chinese dude. Nonphysical reasons are the route cause for physical injuries.

lol

(02-23-2018 03:03 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:56 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

"He played when he should have rested" - Combined with your daily opinions on our coach, not much of a stretch, IMO.

And you bring up the blame thing again. How about no one is to blame? Injuries happen all the time with no one being at fault.

Blame didn't enter my post till you brought up the word.

Bad try. I don't even look at injuries in the usual way.

I have been trained by Shaolin Grandmaster Thai Mantis Kung Fu Chinese dude. Nonphysical reasons are the route cause for physical injuries.

lol

Ok. You lost me there. "should have rested" is a declarative statement, taking a position, when you have absolutely no idea whether that had anything to do with it. But take care.

(02-23-2018 03:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:03 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:56 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

"He played when he should have rested" - Combined with your daily opinions on our coach, not much of a stretch, IMO.

And you bring up the blame thing again. How about no one is to blame? Injuries happen all the time with no one being at fault.

Blame didn't enter my post till you brought up the word.

Bad try. I don't even look at injuries in the usual way.

I have been trained by Shaolin Grandmaster Thai Mantis Kung Fu Chinese dude. Nonphysical reasons are the route cause for physical injuries.

lol

Ok. You lost me there. "should have rested" is a declarative statement, taking a position, when you have absolutely no idea whether that had anything to do with it. But take care.

Should have rested was a bad choice of words on my part. Sometimes I use the vocabulary here.

I was thinking like a mother..... wishing a son had rested. I have a mother weakness sometimes.

(02-23-2018 03:09 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:06 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 03:03 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:56 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  It's your stretch. Not mine.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

"He played when he should have rested" - Combined with your daily opinions on our coach, not much of a stretch, IMO.

And you bring up the blame thing again. How about no one is to blame? Injuries happen all the time with no one being at fault.

Blame didn't enter my post till you brought up the word.

Bad try. I don't even look at injuries in the usual way.

I have been trained by Shaolin Grandmaster Thai Mantis Kung Fu Chinese dude. Nonphysical reasons are the route cause for physical injuries.

lol

Ok. You lost me there. "should have rested" is a declarative statement, taking a position, when you have absolutely no idea whether that had anything to do with it. But take care.

Should have rested was a bad choice of words on my part. Sometimes I use the vocabulary here.

I was thinking like a mother..... wishing a son had rested. I have a mother weakness sometimes.

No problem. I often use the wrong words.

It is bad news for him, his teammates, and fans. I hope he recovers quickly.

Sucks for Martin. Opportunity for some other guys to step up like they did vs. Houston ... will be needed if we want to make the monumental jump in year 3.

No game is a gimme without Martin. Gives Tubby a built in excuse if he loses to ECU or USF, which would immediately kill any momentum he gained from the Houston win.

If the tigers play their remaining games the way they played the second half against Houston, we win out and win at least 1 game in the AAC tournament.
A big if, but possible.

I think the team plays better team ball when Martin is out.

Well, if you look at it realistically, he's probably only missing 4 or 5 games. Better to happen now than in December. Get well soon, JM.

Team moves the ball better without Martin but is not a better team. They simply have to move it more to get better shots as there really is no one who can get his own shot. While he is not LeBron, the same principle applies.

Okay if your best player sometimes dominates the ball. That can often outweigh the sticking.

(02-23-2018 02:52 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:44 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:42 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:41 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(02-23-2018 02:40 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  As a runner who would get hurt in places other than my initial flareup, I can attest to that.

As to whether he should have been rested, that's up to JM, the coach, and the staff.

Please don't start blaming Tubby for Jeremiah having a broken foot. For all you know, someone landed on it.

Snow said he played when he should have rested. Coaches determine who plays. Not a stretch to say that is coach blaming.

It's your stretch. Not mine.

This is just sad for Martin--no matter who no matter what.

What's bigger than who is to blame is how he handles it.

edit: I actually didn't think who made the decision--but am guessing it was a group effort.

I can't ever remember a season where I didn't compete with some degree of injury. Its a fine line that has to be walked carefully.

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(02-23-2018 01:34 PM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  I bet he broke a bone in his foot. Metatarsal maybe?

Just a guess, but this sounds like a lisfranc injury. If that’s it, a broken bone in his mid-foot has caused the joint to dislocate. Those don’t really heal.