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(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:49 AM)mac Wrote:  I'm reading on here about how we suck because we don't have any top 100 wins. Have we even played anyone in the top 100? Just wondering.

We definitely don't suck. Anyone that says we suck has no clue what they are watching. We are short on depth, and we struggle to defend the better teams we play. This team can still do something in Frisco. Those of you that say we can't, get a grip. What makes sports so great is that anyone can get hot, and make a run in a tournament. The other side of the coin is...We cannot say "WKU could have a bad shooting night" because layups and dunks don't have off nights. We have to defend better, or we will make an exit in the semifinals.

We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

(02-27-2018 09:53 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:06 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  "We've seen his best"...as in one of the best defenses in the country, coupled with the most potent offense ODU has seen in many, many decades...and his best recruiting classes haven't even started playing yet.

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Yes, let's wait a couple more years for these kids to grow up. What's another 2 years of this, we have waited 5 to get these kids on the bench after all. All we need is this recruiting class to see the floor and we are a lock for the NCAA yeah? One of the best defenses in thecountry you say, well if what wku did to one of the best defenses in the country is any sort of example of what we look like against a real team can you imagine what this one of the best defenses in the country would look like with a harder sos And a conference where there are more than 2 real teams. These recruits won't save us and frankly that is a cop out, an excuse to use year after year, it was NCAA or bust for most of us, now one recruiting class later and people are willing to wait another year. Next season will be the same story,but but but, look at the 3 18 year Olds coming in. Another year, another inflated win total, another set of excuses as to why another year of this is acceptable

Remember, he's the "fan" who predicted Sam Harris would be all CAA after the blue white game lol.

(02-27-2018 10:31 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 09:53 AM)jasdf Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:06 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  "We've seen his best"...as in one of the best defenses in the country, coupled with the most potent offense ODU has seen in many, many decades...and his best recruiting classes haven't even started playing yet.

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Yes, let's wait a couple more years for these kids to grow up. What's another 2 years of this, we have waited 5 to get these kids on the bench after all. All we need is this recruiting class to see the floor and we are a lock for the NCAA yeah? One of the best defenses in thecountry you say, well if what wku did to one of the best defenses in the country is any sort of example of what we look like against a real team can you imagine what this one of the best defenses in the country would look like with a harder sos And a conference where there are more than 2 real teams. These recruits won't save us and frankly that is a cop out, an excuse to use year after year, it was NCAA or bust for most of us, now one recruiting class later and people are willing to wait another year. Next season will be the same story,but but but, look at the 3 18 year Olds coming in. Another year, another inflated win total, another set of excuses as to why another year of this is acceptable

The argument was, "He can't recruit freshmen." He recruited loads of top rated freshmen. Then it was, "He can't recruit a freshman big man." So he recruited a pair of highly rated freshmen big men. Then it was, "He hasn't gotten us to the NCAA tournament." And we're in the middle of the best season under JJ's tenure with as good a shot at winning the tournament and going to the NCAA tournament as anyone...and you're saying, "Don't wait for him to win this year or next." Why? Because you've run out of room to move the goalposts? What's next? He gets us to the NCAA tournament..."He didn't win the National Championship"...

It's only EVER been that he can't make the NCAA tourney, which he hasn't.

As good a shot as anyone of winning the tourney and going to the NCAA tourney? Are you high????? We aren't beating mtsu and wku back to back with this team.

You are delusional.

(02-27-2018 10:52 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  For those who want to fire him and replace with a "top assistant" here's what's I think would happen, and I've got some experience in this:
A) every single top assistant has an agent, or will get one
B) every single top assistant has a mentor or 2, whether it be the head coach or others
C) every top assistant has contacts inside the ODU program and inside CUSA. During summer and recruiting these guys travel in packs, drink in the bars, talk shop.

Here's what the top assistants will be told. The school just fired a guy who took over a 5-25 team and has won 111 games (and counting) in 5 years. Do you really want to go to a school that offers that type of administrative support? Think twice before jumping, Jon Scheyer or whomever.

We were interested in Amaker and Dawkins at one point and K steered then away. That was after Capel got fired.

You'll get retreads and maybe guys who aren't top assistants. hell, we hired an outside search team the last time and that was before the incumbent, former president of the coaches association and highly respected in that community, came in to a 5 win situation.

I understand the frustration, but it's going to take something far less than a 22-plus win season for JJ to go. And I think you better either get used to it or find another team to "root" for.

Period.

Again, 22 wins is absolutely meaningless if you can't beat anyone worth a good *** ****. When your best win is 117 Marshall, your win total means absolutely nothing other than you beat all the crappy teams on your garbage schedule........you have to stop this charade.

(02-27-2018 11:12 AM)T-Mac Wrote:  ODU BBALL, when was the last time ODU had a true center? Sam Harris? Anton Larson? Those panned out well.

You mean the guy you proclaimed would be all CAA?????

You can't make this stuff up, what a clown! Lol

I guess centers can only be 7 foot white guys lol.

Chris Cooper says hi.

(02-27-2018 11:00 AM)mac Wrote:  And it will be at least a 25 win season before we are done, Jumpshooter. We aren't getting a new Coach, no matter what 2 or 3 posters are saying over and over and over. Imo, of course!

BTW, thanks for that information, very interesting.

We would if we knew what was good for us.

But instead we will continue to let a nepotistic do nothing like wood make bad decisions that hamstring us for god knows how long going forward. Are you ok with 25 win seasons for the next 5 years if not one of them results in an NCAA or nit birth?

If the answer is no, why are you ok with it now then?

If it's yes, I'm just embarrassed for you.

(02-27-2018 11:29 AM)mac Wrote:  Trey Porter.

Ha ha it literally took you one post later to shut t-drain down.

Too funny. When was the last time we had a true center he says???

Oh right..........this year lol.

(02-27-2018 11:57 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 11:29 AM)mac Wrote:  Trey Porter.

The whole center thing is comically abused on here. Does Western Kentucky have a true center? How does this hurt them?

Brandans game is more of a true center type game than Porter. He's more of a defensive presence, equal as a shot blocker, and a better rebounder. But, because he's 6-7 (listed at that), we can't call him a center?

Jones didn't bring him in as a freshman either lol.

(02-28-2018 12:37 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:49 AM)mac Wrote:  I'm reading on here about how we suck because we don't have any top 100 wins. Have we even played anyone in the top 100? Just wondering.

We definitely don't suck. Anyone that says we suck has no clue what they are watching. We are short on depth, and we struggle to defend the better teams we play. This team can still do something in Frisco. Those of you that say we can't, get a grip. What makes sports so great is that anyone can get hot, and make a run in a tournament. The other side of the coin is...We cannot say "WKU could have a bad shooting night" because layups and dunks don't have off nights. We have to defend better, or we will make an exit in the semifinals.

We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

Because he had a plan. Win a bunch of games against a crappy schedule to keep himself off the hot seat.

(02-28-2018 10:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 12:37 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:49 AM)mac Wrote:  I'm reading on here about how we suck because we don't have any top 100 wins. Have we even played anyone in the top 100? Just wondering.

We definitely don't suck. Anyone that says we suck has no clue what they are watching. We are short on depth, and we struggle to defend the better teams we play. This team can still do something in Frisco. Those of you that say we can't, get a grip. What makes sports so great is that anyone can get hot, and make a run in a tournament. The other side of the coin is...We cannot say "WKU could have a bad shooting night" because layups and dunks don't have off nights. We have to defend better, or we will make an exit in the semifinals.

We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

Because he had a plan. Win a bunch of games against a crappy schedule to keep himself off the hot seat.

A) You have no idea if that was his plan or not
B) There has never been any indication that Jones is on the hot seat.

(02-28-2018 11:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 10:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 12:37 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 07:49 AM)mac Wrote:  I'm reading on here about how we suck because we don't have any top 100 wins. Have we even played anyone in the top 100? Just wondering.

We definitely don't suck. Anyone that says we suck has no clue what they are watching. We are short on depth, and we struggle to defend the better teams we play. This team can still do something in Frisco. Those of you that say we can't, get a grip. What makes sports so great is that anyone can get hot, and make a run in a tournament. The other side of the coin is...We cannot say "WKU could have a bad shooting night" because layups and dunks don't have off nights. We have to defend better, or we will make an exit in the semifinals.

We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

Because he had a plan. Win a bunch of games against a crappy schedule to keep himself off the hot seat.

A) You have no idea if that was his plan or not
B) There has never been any indication that Jones is on the hot seat.

I think that you can read the tea leaves and determine that this was considered a pivotal season.

(02-28-2018 02:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 11:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 10:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 12:37 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-27-2018 08:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  We definitely don't suck. Anyone that says we suck has no clue what they are watching. We are short on depth, and we struggle to defend the better teams we play. This team can still do something in Frisco. Those of you that say we can't, get a grip. What makes sports so great is that anyone can get hot, and make a run in a tournament. The other side of the coin is...We cannot say "WKU could have a bad shooting night" because layups and dunks don't have off nights. We have to defend better, or we will make an exit in the semifinals.

We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

Because he had a plan. Win a bunch of games against a crappy schedule to keep himself off the hot seat.

A) You have no idea if that was his plan or not
B) There has never been any indication that Jones is on the hot seat.

I think that you can read the tea leaves and determine that this was considered a pivotal season.

Who's tea leaves? What evidence has there been?

(02-28-2018 02:14 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 02:05 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 11:25 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 10:46 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 12:37 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  We have no depth and we'd have to beat two top 50 squads on a neutral court in back to back games, which IS NOT HAPPENING.

It's even more of a reason why jones refusing to develop depth on the court this year is so damn maddening. We weren't getting an at large this year anyways so why not get the young guys some more run and save some miles on the odometer for guys like Stith, Porter and caver.

It makes ZERO sense.

Because he had a plan. Win a bunch of games against a crappy schedule to keep himself off the hot seat.

A) You have no idea if that was his plan or not
B) There has never been any indication that Jones is on the hot seat.

I think that you can read the tea leaves and determine that this was considered a pivotal season.

Who's tea leaves? What evidence has there been?

Lipton, Luzianne, Tetley .... take your pick.