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Yahoo article names names in FBI probe
https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-feder...38484.html

"There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools. The documents link some of the sport’s biggest current stars – Michigan State’s Miles Bridges, Alabama’s Collin Sexton and Duke’s Wendell Carter – to specific potential extra benefits for either the athletes or their family members. The amounts tied to all of the players in the case range from basic meals to tens of thousands of dollars."
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(02-23-2018 07:56 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  https://sports.yahoo.com/exclusive-feder...38484.html

"There’s potential impermissible benefits and preferential treatment families of players at Duke, North Carolina, Texas, Kentucky, Michigan State, USC, Alabama and a host of other schools. The documents link some of the sport’s biggest current stars – Michigan State’s Miles Bridges, Alabama’s Collin Sexton and Duke’s Wendell Carter – to specific potential extra benefits for either the athletes or their family members. The amounts tied to all of the players in the case range from basic meals to tens of thousands of dollars."

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Goes back to 2008?
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So there ends up being a non-P6: Wichita State.
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So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.
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(02-23-2018 09:44 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.

Lol!
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(02-23-2018 09:44 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.

And the NCAA could then save a lot of money by holding the tournament at local YMCA gyms. They should be more than adequate to hold the "crowds" who would attend.
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(02-23-2018 09:46 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:44 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.

And the NCAA could then save a lot of money by holding the tournament at local YMCA gyms. They should be more than adequate to hold the "crowds" who would attend.

If it was just limited to the schools in the article for this year, not even close.
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The article quoted raises a question that I find interesting.

Let's say that Wendell Carter's mother is approached by a representative of ASM, who presents himself as a financial advisor. He invites her to lunch to hear his spiel about how he might be able to help her family deal with agents, contracts, etc. when her son turns pro. After hearing his spiel, she says "No thank you, and please don't contact me or my family again."

Has Carter received an impermissable benefit which would make him ineligible to play for whichever school he subsequently decides to attend?

Clearly, if instead she says "We would be happy to accept your offer to give us a loan which doesn't have to be repaid until Wendell signs a pro contract" then the school that signs him has a problem, whether or not they were involved in this transaction.

The article lumps all the possible scenarios under one blanket cloud of suspicion. Will the NCAA look at them all the same way?
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DJ Newbill's there...don't know who gets slapped for that...USM or PSU?

I see guys from Utah, Norfolk State, Louisville, Florida (during the Billy D years), and Charleston Southern/App State.

Geez, it really was everywhere.
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(02-23-2018 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  The article quoted raises a question that I find interesting.

Let's say that Wendell Carter's mother is approached by a representative of ASM, who presents himself as a financial advisor. He invites her to lunch to hear his spiel about how he might be able to help her family deal with agents, contracts, etc. when her son turns pro. After hearing his spiel, she says "No thank you, and please don't contact me or my family again."

Has Carter received an impermissable benefit which would make him ineligible to play for whichever school he subsequently decides to attend?

Clearly, if instead she says "We would be happy to accept your offer to give us a loan which doesn't have to be repaid until Wendell signs a pro contract" then the school that signs him has a problem, whether or not they were involved in this transaction.

The article lumps all the possible scenarios under one blanket cloud of suspicion. Will the NCAA look at them all the same way?

Repugnant.
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(02-23-2018 10:12 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  The article quoted raises a question that I find interesting.

Let's say that Wendell Carter's mother is approached by a representative of ASM, who presents himself as a financial advisor. He invites her to lunch to hear his spiel about how he might be able to help her family deal with agents, contracts, etc. when her son turns pro. After hearing his spiel, she says "No thank you, and please don't contact me or my family again."

Has Carter received an impermissable benefit which would make him ineligible to play for whichever school he subsequently decides to attend?

Clearly, if instead she says "We would be happy to accept your offer to give us a loan which doesn't have to be repaid until Wendell signs a pro contract" then the school that signs him has a problem, whether or not they were involved in this transaction.

The article lumps all the possible scenarios under one blanket cloud of suspicion. Will the NCAA look at them all the same way?

Repugnant.

What is?
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(02-23-2018 09:44 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.


Haven't we learned anything from recent history? The best course of action with the NCAA is to deny, deny & deny some more. Don't answer their questions & lawyer up.


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(02-23-2018 10:23 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:44 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  So when do we move up Middle Tennessee to lock status?

Seriously, if I were any of the schools mentioned, I'd self-impose a postseason ban for this year.


Haven't we learned anything from recent history? The best course of action with the NCAA is to deny, deny & deny some more. Don't answer their questions & lawyer up.


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And also be careful which former NCAA investigators you hire to represent you. Evidence suggest to be dumb. Not the opposite.
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(02-23-2018 10:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 10:12 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  The article quoted raises a question that I find interesting.

Let's say that Wendell Carter's mother is approached by a representative of ASM, who presents himself as a financial advisor. He invites her to lunch to hear his spiel about how he might be able to help her family deal with agents, contracts, etc. when her son turns pro. After hearing his spiel, she says "No thank you, and please don't contact me or my family again."

Has Carter received an impermissable benefit which would make him ineligible to play for whichever school he subsequently decides to attend?

Clearly, if instead she says "We would be happy to accept your offer to give us a loan which doesn't have to be repaid until Wendell signs a pro contract" then the school that signs him has a problem, whether or not they were involved in this transaction.

The article lumps all the possible scenarios under one blanket cloud of suspicion. Will the NCAA look at them all the same way?

Repugnant.

What is?
Depends on the eye of the beholder. Who is beholding and what is their power and motives and who are their friends?

Just as easy to ask what isn’t.
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(02-23-2018 10:37 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 10:21 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 10:12 AM)Dasville Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:55 AM)ken d Wrote:  The article quoted raises a question that I find interesting.

Let's say that Wendell Carter's mother is approached by a representative of ASM, who presents himself as a financial advisor. He invites her to lunch to hear his spiel about how he might be able to help her family deal with agents, contracts, etc. when her son turns pro. After hearing his spiel, she says "No thank you, and please don't contact me or my family again."

Has Carter received an impermissable benefit which would make him ineligible to play for whichever school he subsequently decides to attend?

Clearly, if instead she says "We would be happy to accept your offer to give us a loan which doesn't have to be repaid until Wendell signs a pro contract" then the school that signs him has a problem, whether or not they were involved in this transaction.

The article lumps all the possible scenarios under one blanket cloud of suspicion. Will the NCAA look at them all the same way?

Repugnant.

What is?
Depends on the eye of the beholder. Who is beholding and what is their power and motives and who are their friends?

Just as easy to ask what isn’t.

Is this some kind of zen thing? Or are you reacting to something specific?
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This one's easy for the NCAA - this is agents recruiting players to leave their college programs with, to this point, no known involvement by the actual programs. I 100% think more and worse information will come out, but the NCAA can very easily paint the programs as victims here. This isn't the same as a Louisville staffer hopping on the phone with Adidas and asking for 100k paid to his family to secure his commitment.
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I don't think there is anything easy for the NCAA in any of this. What we see in major college sports is similar to what the FBI had to deal with for years in trying to convict Mafia dons. As long as they were able to put subordinates between themselves any any illegal activity, they were virtually immune from prosecution.

It wasn't until the RICO statutes were passed that prosecutors could pierce that veil of "plausible deniability". College basketball and football are corrupt enterprises just like Mafia families are/were. And they will remain corrupt as long as the NCAA and its member institutions have to maintain the very thin figleaf that they are amateur activities, when any idiot can see that they are not.

The irony for the NCAA is that the underlying activities at the heart of their corruption wouldn't be illegal or unethical except for that pretense of amateurism. Corporations, even non-profit corporations like the NCAA members, compete for talent all the time, and they do it with money and perks, just like sports agents and coaches. But when that talent is a high school kid who could help your "amateur" team bring in huge sums of money and prestige to your school, then it's bad.

Until we recognize that college basketball and football are professional businesses, no institution - the NCAA or any successor to it - can ever hope to adequately deal with corruption of its own making.
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(02-23-2018 11:26 AM)ken d Wrote:  I don't think there is anything easy for the NCAA in any of this. What we see in major college sports is similar to what the FBI had to deal with for years in trying to convict Mafia dons. As long as they were able to put subordinates between themselves any any illegal activity, they were virtually immune from prosecution.

The NCAA has already gone down this road -- they came up with the "Lack of Institutional Control" penalties to sanction schools even if there is no proof that anyone in the athletic department knew about violations such as payments to players or tutors taking exams for athletes.

And that Yahoo report shows there's a whole lot of LOIC going on even if the FBI hasn't caught an assistant coach or head coach at every one of these programs on a wiretap.

But your mob analogy raises another interesting problem for the NCAA -- the fact that the NCAA staffs its investigations with administrators from its member schools and conferences. With this many basketball programs caught with their hands in the cookie jar, almost every NCAA investigation is going to have a conflict of interest because, inevitably, someone on the investigation committee is going to be connected to another school that is under investigation. The most famous example of this is that the committee that dropped the hammer on USC several years ago was chaired by the Miami AD, who was leading the charge against USC at the same time Miami's own players were being showered with illegal benefits by Nevin Shapiro. The way the NCAA runs these investigations is like letting a capo from one crime family manage the federal investigation into a rival crime family.
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Perfect solution for NCAA. Give UConn the death penalty
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