(02-22-2018 12:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well El Rushbo, we can certainly turn schools into armed security depots. However, will you support the necessary increase in taxes to accomplish it?

Of course.


If I were a law-maker though, I might propose cutting or eliminating PP funding to help pay for it. It is for the children after all.

You could probably cover 1 school district with that.

Additionally,

Quote:Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from Title X. There’s no keep-Planned-Parenthood-running part of the federal budget.

At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for their preventive and primary care. So, when you hear politicians talking about “defunding” Planned Parenthood, they really mean blocking patients who rely on public health care programs from getting their care at Planned Parenthood centers...

How Federal Funding Works at Planned Parenthood

That’s a good plan. Kill em before (or when they are being) born so they won’t get shot by an AR rifle going off in their school.

(02-22-2018 11:40 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 11:02 AM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:59 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 10:55 AM)Tulanefan32 Wrote:  I can’t stand it when people say they long for the 50s. The 1950s where racism, mysogyny, and homophobia were a way life. I am so glad the 50s and 60s are long gone because it was an embarrassment to this country. Times change, people adapt. It’s time this country adapt or we will be no more.

Guess you didn't read the last line. This country adapting would be to put armed guards at schools.

No this country adapting would be to take assault weapons off the street and to contain the problem known as white anger.

Did you eat your tide pod today?

Lol...loved this tweet---

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A week ago Congress was asking Tide to change their pod designs so teenagers would stop eating them.

Now this week the media thinks teenagers should determine gun control laws.

(02-22-2018 02:21 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:41 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:27 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 12:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Well El Rushbo, we can certainly turn schools into armed security depots. However, will you support the necessary increase in taxes to accomplish it?

Of course.


If I were a law-maker though, I might propose cutting or eliminating PP funding to help pay for it. It is for the children after all.

You could probably cover 1 school district with that.

Additionally,

Quote:Most of Planned Parenthood’s federal funding is from Medicaid reimbursements for preventive care, and some is from Title X. There’s no keep-Planned-Parenthood-running part of the federal budget.

At least 60% of Planned Parenthood patients rely on public health programs like Medicaid and Title X for their preventive and primary care. So, when you hear politicians talking about “defunding” Planned Parenthood, they really mean blocking patients who rely on public health care programs from getting their care at Planned Parenthood centers...

How Federal Funding Works at Planned Parenthood

Pretty sure almost $500mm would cover more than one school district.

Abortion is a barbaric procedure that deserves no place in modern medicine as a commonplace practice made on the whim of convenience. If any law needs changing, its the 'freedom of choice' aspect that protects abortion providers. Truth be told, if abortions were such a small percentage of PP's services, they should have no problem ending the practice.

You do realize that none of that $500 mm is for abortions, right? It's for health services for people. So you're willing to take health care away from people to fortify schools?

I'm willing to take it away from a institution that provides abortions. Let's say out of that $500mm, $350mm is Medicaid repayments and the other $150mm is grants. (We don't know for sure because PP doesn't break it down and I don't feel like combing through a .gov website to find the exact amount.) Those people going to PP for other services reimbursable by Medicaid can get their services elsewhere and Medicaid can reimburse the provider. The $150mm in grant money can go to beefing up security at schools.

Hell, let's do something really radical. Let's just redistribute that $500mm to other healthcare providers that don't perform abortions and raise taxes to secure schools. I can 1000% guarantee that you won't find a Republican that will oppose that deal.


I find it humorous (and sad) that some on the left (not specifically you) will point to a law that defends PP's federal funding and defend it to no end, yet scoff at a Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

"It's the law!!! You can't defund PP!!!! Think of the children!!!"
"I don't care what the Constitution says.... Give up your right to bear arms!!!! Think of the children!!!"

(02-22-2018 02:48 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Educating Liberals
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A week ago Congress was asking Tide to change their pod designs so teenagers would stop eating them.

Now this week the media thinks teenagers should determine gun control laws.

Poor stupid libs. They love their mental gymnastics

My daughters elementary school as a full time, armed police officer on the premises during all school hours. This isn't some inner city, crime ridden school. It's a very suburban safe area. If we can put forth the resources to have a full time officer at the school, why can't other schools? The kids love having the officer there.

(02-22-2018 02:58 PM)JTiger Wrote:  My daughters elementary school as a full time, armed police officer on the premises during all school hours. This isn't some inner city, crime ridden school. It's a very suburban safe area. If we can put forth the resources to have a full time officer at the school, why can't other schools? The kids love having the officer there.

I had them in highschool 24 years ago. Most days it was just a single officer, but additional cops would stop by on patrol and walk around the school for an hour or so a few days a week.

Would it be expensive to better secure schools? Absolutely. Would many people protest a bond to help secure schools better? Not many at all.

AR-15s were not available in the 50s either

Rush nailed it way back in 1982.

Subdivisions

Sprawling on the fringes of the city
In geometric order
An insulated border
In-between the bright lights
And the far, unlit unknown

Growing up, it all seems so one-sided
Opinions all provided
The future pre-decided
Detached and subdivided
In the mass-production zone

Nowhere is the dreamer
Or the misfit so alone

Subdivisions
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

Any escape might help to smooth
The unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe
The restless dreams of youth

Drawn like moths, we drift into the city
The timeless old attraction
Cruising for the action
Lit up like a firefly
Just to feel the living night

Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight

Somewhere out of a memory
Of lighted streets on quiet nights

Subdivisions
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

Any escape might help to smooth
The unattractive truth
But the suburbs have no charms to soothe
The restless dreams of youth

I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

(02-22-2018 03:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  AR-15s were not available in the 50s either

So?

(02-22-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

Or an atom bomb. Doors were locked. Id's required. Reasonable precautions.

(02-22-2018 03:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  AR-15s were not available in the 50s either

Several Semi-automatic rifles were available in the 50's.

SKS
M14 (semiauto for civilian use)
Baretta BM59 (semiauto for civilian use)
and several others.

Semi-automatic shotguns were also readily available.

What we didn't have in the 50's was rampant illegal drug use, millions of people on anti-depressants and anxiety medicine, and scores of fatherless homes, just to name a few.

(02-22-2018 03:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  AR-15s were not available in the 50s either

Virginia Tech shooting was with handguns, IIRC

You don't need an AR style rifle to inflict a lot of damage, just evil in your heart

(02-22-2018 03:39 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Several Semi-automatic rifles were available in the 50's.

Semi-automatic shotguns were also readily available.

What we didn't have in the 50's was rampant illegal drug use, millions of people on anti-depressants and anxiety medicine, and scores of fatherless homes, just to name a few.

I guess he missed all those Al Capone movies where they had Tommy guns during prohibition.

(02-22-2018 03:11 PM)Mr_XcentricK Wrote:  AR-15s were not available in the 50s either

The Colt was available for civilian purchase in 1963.

(02-22-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

So, you oppose anything anyone else suggests, what’s your “solution” here?
Put a “guard” of some sort in the school-“we can’t afford that! Wed have to raise taxes!

Secure the building-they’ll just call in a bomb threat and kill them as they leave!

Uhhhh, ok. So, I guess your answer is to simply do nothing.

We have people searching for some reasonable solutions, and NONE will be foolproof, NONE will be 100%.

So, that means do nothing.

Unless of course it means trampling and abridging the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

Do I have that about right?

(02-22-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

Only banning all guns will do that...

plus we need to burn all Republicans at the stake...

that should do the trick.

(02-22-2018 03:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

So, you oppose anything anyone else suggests, what’s your “solution” here?
Put a “guard” of some sort in the school-“we can’t afford that! Wed have to raise taxes!

Secure the building-they’ll just call in a bomb threat and kill them as they leave!

Uhhhh, ok. So, I guess your answer is to simply do nothing.

We have people searching for some reasonable solutions, and NONE will be foolproof, NONE will be 100%.

So, that means do nothing.

Unless of course it means trampling and abridging the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

Do I have that about right?

No...as usual...you're being ridiculously obtuse.

As I've said many times...the only real solution is a total ban on guns. And that ain't happening, nor am I advocating for it.

I'm fine with school districts putting up barriers at entrances and even hiring armed forces if they so choose. I just don't want it mandated nationally and perhaps not even on a state level mandate.

I will never be in favor of arming teachers. Teachers are not law enforcement, nor should they be. They have a hard enough time just teaching.

(02-22-2018 04:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:58 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:28 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-22-2018 03:16 PM)Claw Wrote:  I believe my kid went through a metal detector every day.

And that won't stop a shooter who walks in firing...nor would it stop someone from calling in a bomb threat and picking off people as they leave the building.

So, you oppose anything anyone else suggests, what’s your “solution” here?
Put a “guard” of some sort in the school-“we can’t afford that! Wed have to raise taxes!

Secure the building-they’ll just call in a bomb threat and kill them as they leave!

Uhhhh, ok. So, I guess your answer is to simply do nothing.

We have people searching for some reasonable solutions, and NONE will be foolproof, NONE will be 100%.

So, that means do nothing.

Unless of course it means trampling and abridging the rights of millions of law abiding citizens.

Do I have that about right?

No...as usual...you're being ridiculously obtuse.

As I've said many times...the only real solution is a total ban on guns. And that ain't happening, nor am I advocating for it.

I'm fine with school districts putting up barriers at entrances and even hiring armed forces if they so choose. I just don't want it mandated nationally and perhaps not even on a state level mandate.

I will never be in favor of arming teachers. Teachers are not law enforcement, nor should they be. They have a hard enough time just teaching.

I agree that solutions should be local.

However, I am sure there are teachers who could be armed. I wouldn't want to force it, but there are thousands of teachers. Some are probably quite capable. Some may even be policemen.