(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
Bilas is just mad because he knows there is no way Duke doesn't end up on the wrong end of this...
(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
He is right... If there was no NCAA rule against payment the University would not be harmed hence no crime
(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
He is right... If there was no NCAA rule against payment the University would not be harmed hence no crime
Bilas is a stuck up know it all, and he's wrong. It's a strawman, an utterly absurd argument. Like saying if there wasn't a rule against killing your parents, the Menendez brothers wouldn't be in prison.
Bilas acts like this is some minor rule. NCAA athletics are founded on the concept of amateurism. No one is forcing these people to coach or play in the NCAA. If Nike can pay Marvin Bagley $2M to play for Duke, then why have college hoops at all? Bagley is a paid professional at that point, so why not just play in the NBA?
(This post was last modified: 02-23-2018 11:59 PM by Tigx.)
(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
Bilas is just mad because he knows there is no way Duke doesn't end up on the wrong end of this...
(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
Bilas is just mad because he knows there is no way Duke doesn't end up on the wrong end of this...
(02-22-2018 04:53 PM)lifelongtiger Wrote: I think there is a strong possibility that the FBI doesn't ever release this info to the NCAA. If they don't then there is nothing the NCAA can do other than perform their own investigation and I suspect that it won't find anything that is punishable.
Wrong. Everything is about to come out. Total transparency is about to reveal its glorious self. The NCAA is just a pawn. This is the FBI. The FBI is not only going after schools, but they will also go after the NCAA---an organization that has allowed this to happen with a lack of authority and oversight with favoritism to those schools who generate money. And, as such, those schools that generate money---how do you think they generate that money? By cheating and by making deals with the devil. Also, football is next.
What are they going to go after the NCAA for? The NCAA rules are not laws. The NCAA could have known players were getting paid and looked the other way but the players getting paid is not a crime in and of itself. It is how they were being paid, etc. that the FBI is investigating as crimes.
The NCAA is the organization in the United States that has oversight and regulatory powers over amateur collegiate athletics. As such, the NCAA is in control of multiple hundreds of collegiate athletic laws and bylaws, generating multiple billions of dollars per year. These dollars cross state lines. The NCAA has the jurisdiction, although not in a legal sense, to force members to repay, forgo, and relinquish these dollars if they so say it must be (see the Memphis money, wins, banner, etc). The NCAA is more than well aware that many of these member organizations cheat, lie, and allow impermissible benefits that allow said organizations to further generate money...both for themselves and for the NCAA. By deduction, this easily becomes an issue for the FBI to tackle as these can be construed as crimes against interstate commerce, and thus, the United States. So, this will all come out soon.
I keep thinking the sheer volume of programs affected might be what saves them all. In other words, if one or two programs had been named, they're disciplined and we move forward. But what happens in this situation? Does everyone wait to see what the others are doing and act accordingly? No way do K, Williams, Cal, Izzo and the bunch all get canned.
Jay Bilas responding last September to someone who said Arizona defending Sean Miller was laughable:
Jay BilasVerified account @JayBilas
Replying to @rmazzochi
No, it is not. I know Sean Miller to be a man of great honesty and integrity. I don't believe for a second he knew of any improper behavior.
3:19 PM - 28 Sep 2017
One, shows Bilas to be clueless. Which should be no big surprise.
Bet now that Sean Miller is shown to be perhaps the biggest cheater, Bilas will attack the system that "made" Miller cheat. It's never the coach or the players fault in Bilas' mind.
(02-24-2018 10:40 AM)Tigx Wrote: Jay Bilas responding last September to someone who said Arizona defending Sean Miller was laughable:
Jay BilasVerified account @JayBilas
Replying to @rmazzochi
No, it is not. I know Sean Miller to be a man of great honesty and integrity. I don't believe for a second he knew of any improper behavior.
3:19 PM - 28 Sep 2017
One, shows Bilas to be clueless. Which should be no big surprise.
Bet now that Sean Miller is shown to be perhaps the biggest cheater, Bilas will attack the system that "made" Miller cheat. It's never the coach or the players fault in Bilas' mind.
This is exactly what is and will continue to happen. Deflect from the coaches who the media loves, has relationships and access to, and are the basis of their salaries. If this were smaller schools like us, the entire narrative would be around violations, what happened, how could this happen, who is responsible. Now since it involves the big boys club, it's all about how ridiculous the system is, it needs to change, these poor players need to get paid from the big bad system, etc etc.
(02-24-2018 10:40 AM)Tigx Wrote: Jay Bilas responding last September to someone who said Arizona defending Sean Miller was laughable:
Jay BilasVerified account @JayBilas
Replying to @rmazzochi
No, it is not. I know Sean Miller to be a man of great honesty and integrity. I don't believe for a second he knew of any improper behavior.
3:19 PM - 28 Sep 2017
One, shows Bilas to be clueless. Which should be no big surprise.
Bet now that Sean Miller is shown to be perhaps the biggest cheater, Bilas will attack the system that "made" Miller cheat. It's never the coach or the players fault in Bilas' mind.
This is exactly what is and will continue to happen. Deflect from the coaches who the media loves, has relationships and access to, and are the basis of their salaries. If this were smaller schools like us, the entire narrative would be around violations, what happened, how could this happen, who is responsible. Now since it involves the big boys club, it's all about how ridiculous the system is, it needs to change, these poor players need to get paid from the big bad system, etc etc.
You nailed it 80sTiger. Bilas will protect Duke, the ACC, and his buddies. All while trying to wear the halo.
And I don't watch the panel shows much, but does anyone challenge people like Bilas and Parrish when they peddle this BS?
(02-23-2018 05:50 PM)macgar32 Wrote: As Jay Bilas just said...
If the NCAA changed it rules these would no longer be federal crimes
Just seems crazy.
Bilas is nuts. In Bilas' world, it's always the systems fault, the NCAA's fault. Never the coach or the player who blatantly break rules that they agree to abide by. No personal responsibility in Bilas' world.
He is right... If there was no NCAA rule against payment the University would not be harmed hence no crime
Bilas is a stuck up know it all, and he's wrong. It's a strawman, an utterly absurd argument. Like saying if there wasn't a rule against killing your parents, the Menendez brothers wouldn't be in prison.
Bilas acts like this is some minor rule. NCAA athletics are founded on the concept of amateurism. No one is forcing these people to coach or play in the NCAA. If Nike can pay Marvin Bagley $2M to play for Duke, then why have college hoops at all? Bagley is a paid professional at that point, so why not just play in the NBA?
(02-23-2018 04:13 PM)holyterror Wrote: Follow the money. If schools and agents conspired to help recruits and parents earn income without paying taxes, it’s serious to the feds.
Capone went to prison that way.
This will be exactly as bad as the feds want to make it.
Capone went for tax evasion, not conspiracy to help others evade taxes. There is no conspiring to help someone earn income without paying taxes. Tax returns and claiming income is the sole responsibility of the person receiving the income. The NCAA may have some liability in other places but it is not tied to players and families not reporting income.
Sorry, but it is absolutely illegal to conspire to assist others in tax evasion. If you are running a business paying contractors and you don't issue them 1099's for your payments to them, then you are absolutely liable for taxes, penalties, and possible prison.
Not to say that's all that's at play here. I think there's also something to be said for agents, shoe executives, coaches selling (mostly) African American (sometimes) minors to the highest bidder.
(02-23-2018 04:13 PM)holyterror Wrote: Follow the money. If schools and agents conspired to help recruits and parents earn income without paying taxes, it’s serious to the feds.
Capone went to prison that way.
This will be exactly as bad as the feds want to make it.
Capone went for tax evasion, not conspiracy to help others evade taxes. There is no conspiring to help someone earn income without paying taxes. Tax returns and claiming income is the sole responsibility of the person receiving the income. The NCAA may have some liability in other places but it is not tied to players and families not reporting income.
Sorry, but it is absolutely illegal to conspire to assist others in tax evasion. If you are running a business paying contractors and you don't issue them 1099's for your payments to them, then you are absolutely liable for taxes, penalties, and possible prison.
Not to say that's all that's at play here. I think there's also something to be said for agents, shoe executives, coaches selling (mostly) African American (sometimes) minors to the highest bidder.
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