I also wonder if anyone else in the MEAC would be willing to entertain making a similar move. There aren't a ton of places to move to out there but the NEC or America East could potentially admit one of the northern members (Morgan St, Howard, Delaware St, Coppin St, UMES) and there could be several spots in the A-Sun who could easily make room for 4 more members.

Aside from FAMU, Howard, Delaware State and maybe NCA&T, who exactly would anyone want from the MEAC?

(02-26-2018 10:29 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  We should be sensitive to the needs of the impoverished but there is help available to them. What about the impoverished and, for the sake of this discussion, African Americans that don't live within driving distance of an HBCU? Do we build them an HBCU so they can drive, walk or bike to it?

I get what you're saying but so what if they in Shreveport have to go to Red Stick or La Nouvelle-Orléans to go to an HBCU, is it fair that everyone else in the state has to pay for redundancy?

And please stop, everyone knows you can't get in the medical field without years of training and certification. Same with engineering and many other fields. But I can go to Amazon, the library, B&R and of course the internet to learn all I want from a number of the BS majors found in a college catalog or Shakespeare and Chaucer rather than from some overpaid and probably egomaniac professor. I should have done this rather than go to college and waste money in my liberal arts major.

This isn't 1842 and pretty much all of the intellects and books are with an elite few, particularly at universities. You can excel in many fields without college and some employers are waking up to the college myth.

I feel like you're jumping around a bunch with the argument you're making - at various points it's seemed like (to me, at least) you're saying very different things. Like I said, if you want to argue that LSU-Shreveport, LaTech, and Louisiana-Monroe are adequately spaced to put pretty much everyone in Northern Louisiana within an hours' drive of a state-sponsored four-year university and so other four-year state schools in this footprint are redundant, fine. That's a discussion about the continued necessity of HBCUs today and I don't really know enough to have a strong position on that.

However, it seems an awful lot like your solution to kids with no particular plan spending a bunch of time and money getting a degree they don't particularly want or need just because everyone else in their high school class was going to college so they did too is to close down most state universities entirely and erect big financial barriers to education in order to de-normalize going to school in the first place.

I didn't even grasp anything you just said.

(02-28-2018 07:58 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I didn't even grasp anything you just said.

I believe you.

(02-28-2018 07:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Aside from FAMU, Howard, Delaware State and maybe NCA&T, who exactly would anyone want from the MEAC?

The A-Sun could gain a lot of stability from adding the Florida pair and 2 others. Any schools jumping ship would have a football home in the shared Big South/A-Sun league. The Florida schools gain more instate games (you could have a Florida division and a non-Florida division)

(02-28-2018 08:05 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 07:58 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I didn't even grasp anything you just said.

I believe you.

Yeah, because it didn't sound coherent.

(02-28-2018 09:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 07:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Aside from FAMU, Howard, Delaware State and maybe NCA&T, who exactly would anyone want from the MEAC?

The A-Sun could gain a lot of stability from adding the Florida pair and 2 others. Any schools jumping ship would have a football home in the shared Big South/A-Sun league. The Florida schools gain more instate games (you could have a Florida division and a non-Florida division)

No one is adding Bethune-Cookman as a full member except the SWAC, at least in D-I. FAMU almost joined the Sun Belt, so I see some hope there for them. And that's hope in general.

(02-28-2018 09:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 09:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 07:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Aside from FAMU, Howard, Delaware State and maybe NCA&T, who exactly would anyone want from the MEAC?

The A-Sun could gain a lot of stability from adding the Florida pair and 2 others. Any schools jumping ship would have a football home in the shared Big South/A-Sun league. The Florida schools gain more instate games (you could have a Florida division and a non-Florida division)

No one is adding Bethune-Cookman as a full member except the SWAC, at least in D-I. FAMU almost joined the Sun Belt, so I see some hope there for them. And that's hope in general.

Yeah until the Sun Belt got a look at their books.

(02-28-2018 11:13 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 09:51 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 09:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(02-28-2018 07:36 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Aside from FAMU, Howard, Delaware State and maybe NCA&T, who exactly would anyone want from the MEAC?

The A-Sun could gain a lot of stability from adding the Florida pair and 2 others. Any schools jumping ship would have a football home in the shared Big South/A-Sun league. The Florida schools gain more instate games (you could have a Florida division and a non-Florida division)

No one is adding Bethune-Cookman as a full member except the SWAC, at least in D-I. FAMU almost joined the Sun Belt, so I see some hope there for them. And that's hope in general.

Yeah until the Sun Belt got a look at their books.

FAMU would be a great addition to the Sun Belt. Bethune Cookman would be a big problem.

I expect FAMU and BCU to join the SWAC if the MEAC decides to drop down to DII.

The question is whether South Carolina State, NC A&T and NC Central will try to move with them.

Hampton AD suggests boycott “bigger than the MEAC”
https://hbcugameday.com/2018/05/15/hampt...e-release/

Oh and the Pirates released their FB schedule yesterday:

Quote:HU 2018 SCHEDULE

Sept. 1: Shaw, 6 p.m.
Sept. 8: at Monmouth, 3 p.m.
Sept. 15: Tennessee State, 6 p.m.
Sept. 22: at Northern Iowa, TBA.
Sept. 29: Charleston Southern, 2 p.m.
Oct. 6: Lane College, 2 p.m.
Oct. 13: at Presbyterian, TBA
Oct. 27: Virginia University-Lynchburg, 2 p.m.
Nov. 3: at SUNY Maritime, 1 p.m.
Nov. 10: at Mississippi Valley State, TBA
Nov. 17: St. Andrews, 1 p.m.

(05-16-2018 04:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hampton AD suggests boycott “bigger than the MEAC”
https://hbcugameday.com/2018/05/15/hampt...e-release/

Oh and the Pirates released their FB schedule yesterday:

Quote:HU 2018 SCHEDULE

Sept. 1: Shaw, 6 p.m.
Sept. 8: at Monmouth, 3 p.m.
Sept. 15: Tennessee State, 6 p.m.
Sept. 22: at Northern Iowa, TBA.
Sept. 29: Charleston Southern, 2 p.m.
Oct. 6: Lane College, 2 p.m.
Oct. 13: at Presbyterian, TBA
Oct. 27: Virginia University-Lynchburg, 2 p.m.
Nov. 3: at SUNY Maritime, 1 p.m.
Nov. 10: at Mississippi Valley State, TBA
Nov. 17: St. Andrews, 1 p.m.

So that's two D2s, a D3 (on the road!), an NAIA and Virginia U-Lynchburg, an NCCAA school with 85 undergrads. Ouch. (EDIT: Other sources have VUL's undergrad enrollment as high as 340).

Wonder when the last time a D3 has hosted a D1 in a major sport?

Well glad to see they got MVSU and UNI. TSU has sympathy as they are the other HBCU in a "white" conference.

It really is amazing how many blacks are pro-segregation or as they would put it, pro safe-space.

(05-16-2018 05:13 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hampton AD suggests boycott “bigger than the MEAC”
https://hbcugameday.com/2018/05/15/hampt...e-release/

Oh and the Pirates released their FB schedule yesterday:

Quote:HU 2018 SCHEDULE

Sept. 1: Shaw, 6 p.m.
Sept. 8: at Monmouth, 3 p.m.
Sept. 15: Tennessee State, 6 p.m.
Sept. 22: at Northern Iowa, TBA.
Sept. 29: Charleston Southern, 2 p.m.
Oct. 6: Lane College, 2 p.m.
Oct. 13: at Presbyterian, TBA
Oct. 27: Virginia University-Lynchburg, 2 p.m.
Nov. 3: at SUNY Maritime, 1 p.m.
Nov. 10: at Mississippi Valley State, TBA
Nov. 17: St. Andrews, 1 p.m.

So that's two D2s, a D3 (on the road!), an NAIA and Virginia U-Lynchburg, an NCCAA school with 85 undergrads. Ouch. (EDIT: Other sources have VUL's undergrad enrollment as high as 340).

Wonder when the last time a D3 has hosted a D1 in a major sport?

VU-Lynchburg used to be D2 before they lost their accredidations, and went to the USCAA, but got booted from there as well. The last few years, any games against them did not count for both the NCAA and NAIA.

(05-16-2018 06:29 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Well glad to see they got MVSU and UNI. TSU has sympathy as they are the other HBCU in a "white" conference.

It really is amazing how many blacks are pro-segregation or as they would put it, pro safe-space.

I actually googled to find a MEAC forum and was surprised to find so much usage of “PWCs”, at least the context it was used in (eg. “PWCs gone wild” referring to PSU/MSU scandals).

(05-16-2018 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  VU-Lynchburg used to be D1 before they lost their accredidations, and went to the USCAA, but got booted from there as well. The last few years, any games against them did not count for both the NCAA and NAIA.

Now that the Dragons are NCCAA though, games against them are countable again.

(05-16-2018 05:13 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 04:16 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Hampton AD suggests boycott “bigger than the MEAC”
https://hbcugameday.com/2018/05/15/hampt...e-release/

Oh and the Pirates released their FB schedule yesterday:

Quote:HU 2018 SCHEDULE

Sept. 1: Shaw, 6 p.m.
Sept. 8: at Monmouth, 3 p.m.
Sept. 15: Tennessee State, 6 p.m.
Sept. 22: at Northern Iowa, TBA.
Sept. 29: Charleston Southern, 2 p.m.
Oct. 6: Lane College, 2 p.m.
Oct. 13: at Presbyterian, TBA
Oct. 27: Virginia University-Lynchburg, 2 p.m.
Nov. 3: at SUNY Maritime, 1 p.m.
Nov. 10: at Mississippi Valley State, TBA
Nov. 17: St. Andrews, 1 p.m.

So that's two D2s, a D3 (on the road!), an NAIA and Virginia U-Lynchburg, an NCCAA school with 85 undergrads. Ouch. (EDIT: Other sources have VUL's undergrad enrollment as high as 340).

Wonder when the last time a D3 has hosted a D1 in a major sport?

Pioneer League football teams have traveled to NAIA and D3s.

(05-16-2018 08:29 PM)DCAbloob Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  VU-Lynchburg used to be D1 before they lost their accredidations, and went to the USCAA, but got booted from there as well. The last few years, any games against them did not count for both the NCAA and NAIA.

Now that the Dragons are NCCAA though, games against them are countable again.

Yep, they wanted to join the NAIA. Now they can apply to them now.

(05-17-2018 03:58 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 08:29 PM)DCAbloob Wrote:  

(05-16-2018 06:33 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  VU-Lynchburg used to be D1 before they lost their accredidations, and went to the USCAA, but got booted from there as well. The last few years, any games against them did not count for both the NCAA and NAIA.

Now that the Dragons are NCCAA though, games against them are countable again.

Yep, they wanted to join the NAIA. Now they can apply to them now.

They need to make sure they're going to exist before they worry about elevating themselves. They suspended their basketball programs last year because of finances. Their AD hopes to get a new arena and a reboot of the programs in 2019 or 2020 but how likely is that?

Hampton didn't handle the football component of the exit well, but this turned utterly ridiculous seeing as MEAC games came off because, what, they wanted new terms? This even after having the stones to demand more money to exit when it wasn't in the bylaws?

Hampton should call the bank to cancel the check to MEAC. Pitiful.