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(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Orlando has lived off the work of others to build his resume. At UK the senior players he inherited had already played in two national championship games before he arrived and won one of them. So they went to three NC games in their four years winning two.

Never finished higher than 5th in conference at Minn or TTU. NCAA bids were riding on coat tails of the conference. Non P6(big east included in MBB) teams with the same resume would not have gotten invite.

Average HS recruit ranking since he arrived in Memphis 257th. His best HS recruit so far 169th.
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(02-20-2018 09:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  How many future hall of famers are still coaching? Hard to quantify if they haven’t been selected yet, but using your best guess, how many are out there?

Roy Williams
Coach K
Cal
Rick Pitino....
Izzo
Mark Few
Gregg Marshall
Bo Ryan
Mike Brey
John Beilein
Jay Wright
Bob Huggins
Ben Howland

I might be wrong about 1 or 2....we'll see. Funny to me that these other HOF bound coaches haven't bounced around like the Tubbster.

Bill Self
Billy Donavan
Mick Cronin?
Rick Barnes
Tony Bennett?
Buzz Williams?
Shaka Smart?


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(02-20-2018 09:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  How many future hall of famers are still coaching? Hard to quantify if they haven’t been selected yet, but using your best guess, how many are out there?

Roy Williams
Coach K
Cal
Rick Pitino....
Izzo
Mark Few
Gregg Marshall
Bo Ryan
Mike Brey
John Beilein
Jay Wright
Bob Huggins
Ben Howland

I might be wrong about 1 or 2....we'll see. Funny to me that these other HOF bound coaches haven't bounced around like the Tubbster.

He does have bouncing power. It takes a while...but once 'they' figure him out, they move him on.

The dude is straight con in the persona of a squeaky clean gentleman whose bench-coaching and coach 'em up talent is above reproach. Refs seem to like him and the media laps him up.

The media liked JP. Refs gave him no respect. Maybe the positive media attention will help Tubby find another job. lol
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(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Tubby is not a HOF coach. Sure, he'll make the HOF, but he shouldn't.

Smoke and mirrors. Fool's gold.

If a coach can loose 16 BB games and still get coach of the year in the ACC. Anything can happen in the world of college basketball. So you are right."Smoke and Mirrors".

While what he has done post UK isn't impressive...

What he did at Tulsa, Georgia and UK is very impressive...So yeah you have to look at the entire career.

You need to remove what he did at UK from your impressive list. He inherited a senior class which had already played in 2 NC games and won one of them. So the team he inherited played in their 3 NC games in 4 years winning two. After that the programs slowly went downward. So he did nothing at UK which deserves HoF status.
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(02-21-2018 02:19 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Orlando has lived off the work of others to build his resume. At UK the senior players he inherited had already played in two national championship games before he arrived and won one of them. So they went to three NC games in their four years winning two.

Never finished higher than 5th in conference at Minn or TTU. NCAA bids were riding on coat tails of the conference. Non P6(big east included in MBB) teams with the same resume would not have gotten invite.

Average HS recruit ranking since he arrived in Memphis 257th. His best HS recruit so far 169th.

He turned it around fast at TT. His players are very responsible for their top 10 ranking.
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(02-21-2018 02:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:19 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Orlando has lived off the work of others to build his resume. At UK the senior players he inherited had already played in two national championship games before he arrived and won one of them. So they went to three NC games in their four years winning two.

Never finished higher than 5th in conference at Minn or TTU. NCAA bids were riding on coat tails of the conference. Non P6(big east included in MBB) teams with the same resume would not have gotten invite.

Average HS recruit ranking since he arrived in Memphis 257th. His best HS recruit so far 169th.

He turned it around fast at TT. His players are very responsible for their top 10 ranking.

Ur boozing it early I see. 5 of their best 6 players came since they hired a new coach. and 5 of 7 if you include the dude that's been injured since the first week of January. Tubby gets credit for their leading scorer. Period.

It's this type of credit that makes Tubby a Future HOFer.
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Harry Statham?
Left Drissel?

Belmont's coach Rick Byrd
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(02-21-2018 02:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 12:22 PM)2tigers Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:26 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Tubby is not a HOF coach. Sure, he'll make the HOF, but he shouldn't.

Smoke and mirrors. Fool's gold.

If a coach can loose 16 BB games and still get coach of the year in the ACC. Anything can happen in the world of college basketball. So you are right."Smoke and Mirrors".

While what he has done post UK isn't impressive...

What he did at Tulsa, Georgia and UK is very impressive...So yeah you have to look at the entire career.

You need to remove what he did at UK from your impressive list. He inherited a senior class which had already played in 2 NC games and won one of them. So the team he inherited played in their 3 NC games in 4 years winning two. After that the programs slowly went downward. So he did nothing at UK which deserves HoF status.

I know what tubby has done and where. I'm asking if any other high level program hired a supposedly good coach yet that coach couldn't even recruit a top 100 recruit during his tenure. And if so what was the outcome and how was it handled. Hence the title to this thread
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(02-21-2018 02:34 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:31 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:19 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:06 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  Can anyone name a high level program that hired a future hall of fame coach who failed to recruit a top 100 kid by year 3? I'm curious to know the outcome and too lazy to research at the moment.

Orlando has lived off the work of others to build his resume. At UK the senior players he inherited had already played in two national championship games before he arrived and won one of them. So they went to three NC games in their four years winning two.

Never finished higher than 5th in conference at Minn or TTU. NCAA bids were riding on coat tails of the conference. Non P6(big east included in MBB) teams with the same resume would not have gotten invite.

Average HS recruit ranking since he arrived in Memphis 257th. His best HS recruit so far 169th.

He turned it around fast at TT. His players are very responsible for their top 10 ranking.

Ur boozing it early I see. 5 of their best 6 players came since they hired a new coach. and 5 of 7 if you include the dude that's been injured since the first week of January. Tubby gets credit for their leading scorer. Period.

It's this type of credit that makes Tubby a Future HOFer.

Not going to verify this tweet, but here it goes:

“Keenan Evans, Zach Smith, Justin Gray, & Norense Odiase were each recruited by Tubby Smith to Texas Tech. Each guy except for Smith who is out with an injury, is a starter. For the year, Tubby recruits account for 44% of total pts., 45% of total rebs., & 43 % of total assists.”
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(02-21-2018 02:37 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 12:22 PM)2tigers Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 08:26 AM)MemTiger90 Wrote:  Tubby is not a HOF coach. Sure, he'll make the HOF, but he shouldn't.

Smoke and mirrors. Fool's gold.

If a coach can loose 16 BB games and still get coach of the year in the ACC. Anything can happen in the world of college basketball. So you are right."Smoke and Mirrors".

While what he has done post UK isn't impressive...

What he did at Tulsa, Georgia and UK is very impressive...So yeah you have to look at the entire career.

You need to remove what he did at UK from your impressive list. He inherited a senior class which had already played in 2 NC games and won one of them. So the team he inherited played in their 3 NC games in 4 years winning two. After that the programs slowly went downward. So he did nothing at UK which deserves HoF status.

I know what tubby has done and where. I'm asking if any other high level program hired a supposedly good coach yet that coach couldn't even recruit a top 100 recruit during his tenure. And if so what was the outcome and how was it handled. Hence the title to this thread

Closest I can think to our scenario with Tubbs is Rick Barnes. No big recruits that I can think of. Has scrubs on the floor. Difference being that he was winning games Vegas thought he shouldn't be. Is your point that 1) Tubby isn't really a HOF coach? or 2) Hard to recruit to Memphis or 3) Tubby's process is slower than the average HOFer?
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(02-21-2018 02:45 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:37 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 12:22 PM)2tigers Wrote:  If a coach can loose 16 BB games and still get coach of the year in the ACC. Anything can happen in the world of college basketball. So you are right."Smoke and Mirrors".

While what he has done post UK isn't impressive...

What he did at Tulsa, Georgia and UK is very impressive...So yeah you have to look at the entire career.

You need to remove what he did at UK from your impressive list. He inherited a senior class which had already played in 2 NC games and won one of them. So the team he inherited played in their 3 NC games in 4 years winning two. After that the programs slowly went downward. So he did nothing at UK which deserves HoF status.

I know what tubby has done and where. I'm asking if any other high level program hired a supposedly good coach yet that coach couldn't even recruit a top 100 recruit during his tenure. And if so what was the outcome and how was it handled. Hence the title to this thread

Closest I can think to our scenario with Tubbs is Rick Barnes. No big recruits that I can think of. Has scrubs on the floor. Difference being that he was winning games Vegas thought he shouldn't be. Is your point that 1) Tubby isn't really a HOF coach? or 2) Hard to recruit to Memphis or 3) Tubby's process is slower than the average HOFer?
I didn't have a point. I was sincerely asking if a high level program was once in our shoes and how long did that program go before buying the coach out.
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(02-21-2018 02:50 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:45 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:37 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 02:27 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 01:07 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  While what he has done post UK isn't impressive...

What he did at Tulsa, Georgia and UK is very impressive...So yeah you have to look at the entire career.

You need to remove what he did at UK from your impressive list. He inherited a senior class which had already played in 2 NC games and won one of them. So the team he inherited played in their 3 NC games in 4 years winning two. After that the programs slowly went downward. So he did nothing at UK which deserves HoF status.

I know what tubby has done and where. I'm asking if any other high level program hired a supposedly good coach yet that coach couldn't even recruit a top 100 recruit during his tenure. And if so what was the outcome and how was it handled. Hence the title to this thread

Closest I can think to our scenario with Tubbs is Rick Barnes. No big recruits that I can think of. Has scrubs on the floor. Difference being that he was winning games Vegas thought he shouldn't be. Is your point that 1) Tubby isn't really a HOF coach? or 2) Hard to recruit to Memphis or 3) Tubby's process is slower than the average HOFer?
I didn't have a point. I was sincerely asking if a high level program was once in our shoes and how long did that program go before buying the coach out.

Good question 04-cheers
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(02-21-2018 01:41 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 09:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  How many future hall of famers are still coaching? Hard to quantify if they haven’t been selected yet, but using your best guess, how many are out there?

Roy Williams
Coach K
Cal
Rick Pitino....
Izzo
Mark Few
Gregg Marshall
Bo Ryan
Mike Brey
John Beilein
Jay Wright
Bob Huggins
Ben Howland

I might be wrong about 1 or 2....we'll see. Funny to me that these other HOF bound coaches haven't bounced around like the Tubbster.

Scratch Pitino and Ryan. No longer active.
Add Boeheim and (probably) Self.
Beilen, Brey, Marshall, Howland? Still got work to do.
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(02-21-2018 02:39 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Jethro Tull --should be there but ain't.
-unless he snuck in when I wasn't lookin.

He?
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(02-22-2018 12:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 01:41 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 09:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  How many future hall of famers are still coaching? Hard to quantify if they haven’t been selected yet, but using your best guess, how many are out there?

Roy Williams
Coach K
Cal
Rick Pitino....
Izzo
Mark Few
Gregg Marshall
Bo Ryan
Mike Brey
John Beilein
Jay Wright
Bob Huggins
Ben Howland

I might be wrong about 1 or 2....we'll see. Funny to me that these other HOF bound coaches haven't bounced around like the Tubbster.

Scratch Pitino and Ryan. No longer active.
Add Boeheim and (probably) Self.
Beilen, Brey, Marshall, Howland? Still got work to do.

Over half of those names have no chance or work to do inlcluding Tubby (unless they induct you for skipping around a lot and going to first round of tournament) has work to do.
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It's so hard to come up with good camparisons of campetitive programs coached by someone getting campensated as much as Tubby. I am campletetly at a loss to think of one.
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(02-22-2018 12:22 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-21-2018 01:41 PM)gusrob Wrote:  
(02-20-2018 09:40 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  How many future hall of famers are still coaching? Hard to quantify if they haven’t been selected yet, but using your best guess, how many are out there?

Roy Williams
Coach K
Cal
Rick Pitino....
Izzo
Mark Few
Gregg Marshall
Bo Ryan
Mike Brey
John Beilein
Jay Wright
Bob Huggins
Ben Howland

I might be wrong about 1 or 2....we'll see. Funny to me that these other HOF bound coaches haven't bounced around like the Tubbster.

Scratch Pitino and Ryan. No longer active.
Add Boeheim and (probably) Self.
Beilen, Brey, Marshall, Howland? Still got work to do.

Over half of those names have no chance or work to do inlcluding Tubby (unless they induct you for skipping around a lot and going to first round of tournament) has work to do.

So we have the unicorn? The golden boy...err....golden grandpa who collects Top 10-15 salary and produces Top170 results. Nice. Lucky us.
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If you count Saul's $, Grizz payout and Tubb's salary, we are out about 4 mill with no results.

That's bad crazy.
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