(03-26-2018 08:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

As long as we continue to allow our schools to be soft targets he's right.

Soft target. IT'S A ******* SCHOOL!

It is also a soft target. Our schools should not be soft targets. They don't need to be armed camps either. There is plenty of room in between the two extremes. Decent access control would probably be enough. That alone would definitely have prevented Parkland. Of course, so would non-negligent conduct by the school administration OR local law enforcement OR the FBI.

(03-26-2018 09:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

As long as we continue to allow our schools to be soft targets he's right.

Soft target. IT'S A ******* SCHOOL!

It is also a soft target. Our schools should not be soft targets. They don't need to be armed camps either. There is plenty of room in between the two extremes. Decent access control would probably be enough. That alone would definitely have prevented Parkland. Of course, so would non-negligent conduct be the school administration OR local law enforcement OR the FBI.

Yes, the easy access to the outside like most schools combined with the criminally negligent lack of action before the shooting from the school. FBI. and Broward Co SO plus Broward County SO's extremely negligent lack of action DURING the shooting made Stoneman Douglas an extremely soft target. Sad thing is that reports since then indicate it's STILL a soft target as the new deputy assigned there was caught sleeping in his car and kids are still bringing weapons to school.

(03-25-2018 08:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:56 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Awesome.

Where do I go to donate/contribute?!?

Street gangs and gangster rappers dress just like him, and some of the gangs loved to used their 2nd Amendment rights to do drive by shootings killing little kids using the AR 15. Where did the NRA dug this guy up from?

Uhhhhh, no.


Shooting and “killing little kids” is against a LOT of laws.

Have you ever even read the 2nd amendment?

Says nothing about “street gangs” using the amendment to kill little kids...

Read more, post less nonsense...

(03-26-2018 09:26 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 09:20 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:58 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 08:50 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

As long as we continue to allow our schools to be soft targets he's right.

Soft target. IT'S A ******* SCHOOL!

It is also a soft target. Our schools should not be soft targets. They don't need to be armed camps either. There is plenty of room in between the two extremes. Decent access control would probably be enough. That alone would definitely have prevented Parkland. Of course, so would non-negligent conduct be the school administration OR local law enforcement OR the FBI.

Yes, the easy access to the outside like most schools combined with the criminally negligent lack of action before the shooting from the school. FBI. and Broward Co SO plus Broward County SO's extremely negligent lack of action DURING the shooting made Stoneman Douglas an extremely soft target. Sad thing is that reports since then indicate it's STILL a soft target as the new deputy assigned there was caught sleeping in his car and kids are still bringing weapons to school.

No.

It is and was the NRA’s fault.

They made this nutjob go shoot up his former school, made the local cops ignore the 29-45 calls, the FBI command ctr fail to follow up on repeated warnings and school “counselors” to deny the SR Officers recommendation that he be committed.

You can see their fingerprints all over this... just look at the emails and phone calls.

(03-25-2018 08:29 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 07:56 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-22-2018 09:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Awesome.
Where do I go to donate/contribute?!?

Street gangs and gangster rappers dress just like him, and some of the gangs loved to used their 2nd Amendment rights to do drive by shootings killing little kids using the AR 15. Where did the NRA dug this guy up from?

There are no "2nd Amendment rights to do drive by shootings." And an AR-15 would be a poor choice of weapon for a drive by shooting. Other than that, I think you spelled most of the words correctly.

(03-26-2018 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

In fairness to Sanotrum, I don't think that came out quite like he wanted it to, but yeah...it was ridiculous.

As I surmised.

(03-26-2018 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

In fairness to Sanotrum, I don't think that came out quite like he wanted it to, but yeah...it was ridiculous.

To portray in any sense that our children attending school should be prepping to handle the aftermath of armed gunmen entering their school instead of prepping for their next assignment is ludicrous.

Yes, it is ludicrous. School is the safest place for kids. Teach and stop scaring them with the bs there is danger around. There isn't.

She wasn't an activist but sorry I can't find the original thread anymore on the shooting. One of the Parkland students who survived the shooting has taken her own life at age 19. Sydney Aiello's mother said her daughter suffered from survivor's guilt and had recently been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.

So sad. I was working for an internet company when 9/11 hit, and our CEO was in Manhattan that day, and witnessed the planes hitting the Twin Towers (our NYC office was just blocks away). He killed himself with a shotgun blast to his head a year and a half later, and we all felt he was another victim of 9/11. I don't think it's a stretch to say Aiello was another victim of the Parkland shootings.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sur...lf-n986266

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c...50134.html

And a second Parkland survivor in less than a week kills himself. So tragically sad.

(03-22-2019 04:13 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  She wasn't an activist but sorry I can't find the original thread anymore on the shooting. One of the Parkland students who survived the shooting has taken her own life at age 19. Sydney Aiello's mother said her daughter suffered from survivor's guilt and had recently been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.

So sad. I was working for an internet company when 9/11 hit, and our CEO was in Manhattan that day, and witnessed the planes hitting the Twin Towers (our NYC office was just blocks away). He killed himself with a shotgun blast to his head a year and a half later, and we all felt he was another victim of 9/11. I don't think it's a stretch to say Aiello was another victim of the Parkland shootings.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sur...lf-n986266

Technically, she was a victim of Sheriff Israels incompetence.

(03-26-2018 08:46 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

In fairness to Sanotrum, I don't think that came out quite like he wanted it to, but yeah...it was ridiculous.
To portray in any sense that our children attending school should be prepping to handle the aftermath of armed gunmen entering their school instead of prepping for their next assignment is ludicrous.

I think that was the wrong context to make that statement.

But if you seriously intend to be fair to Santorum, I think it's probably a true statement that knowing CPR will do more good than outlawing "assault weapons." Number one, we have 50 million school children, and the number killed in all school shootings ever is minuscule by comparison. They are far more likely to need CPR in some context than to have to deal with a shooter. Number two, the evidence just is not there to suggest that gun bans are the way to go. Columbine occurred while the previous "assault weapons ban" was in effect, and the deadliest mass shooting ever--Virginia Tech--was with pistols. So unless you are prepared to ban ALL guns--and I don't want to live in a country that does that--you're not going to solve the problem by banning some guns. There are other more effective ways to do it.

It's like the cartoon with a good guy with a gun and a bad guy with a gun, take away the good guy's gun and what do you have? England and Australia have low rates of gun violence and strict gun laws, but they pretty much had those low rates before the gun laws. In other words, they didn't have the bad guy with the gun--or at least not as many as we did. What we need are things to take guns away from the bad guys--or take bad guys away from guns.

(03-24-2019 02:45 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/c...50134.html

And a second Parkland survivor in less than a week kills himself. So tragically sad.

We lost a nephew to suicide about a year ago. In speaking to a mental health professional about it, and young suicide, he told me something I had never heard. When one student in a high school commits suicide, he said, "Buckle up." It is not uncommon for there to be a more after that, in a short period. In essence, the first person has lowered the bar, making suicide seem more reasonable to other people who may have been considering it, but from a farther distance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/us/sandy-...index.html

And now the father of one of the Sandy Hook victims takes his life.

This is no joke... my old boss's daughter was a survivor at Virginia Tech and is completely phucked up for life. It is sad because she had it all going for her.

I have a classmate that was part of the brokerage firm that got shot up down in Florida years ago.

Changed him forever, cost him his marriage, but so far he is still going.

Suicide is by far the leading cause of death by firearm. That is an area where all sides could focus attention to reduce the problem. There's no political value in it so neither side pursues it.

(03-25-2018 11:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Rick Santorum said on one of the Sunday news shows this morning that the activists would be better off taking CPR classes than participating in marches. If anyone here believes that, I feel sorry for you.

I seriously do believe that. Knowing CPR could be good in many situations. The things they are marching about wouldn't.

With the recent suicide of another of the MSD victims, I can't help but think about how poorly the whole situation was handled.

The activists on both sides probably did these kids a disservice by using them the way they did. We should have focused more on helping the kids recover as best we could. The ones who got promoted by CNN etc. were subjected to a lot of hateful things. Hopefully no one else is driven to suicide and the survivors can get the help they need.