(02-18-2018 11:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 11:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 10:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:26 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:05 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  What is intellectual about touting Penny...

If Penny didn't go to Memphis would he be considered a candidate. He may be the second coming as a coach but he isn't qualified

And I don't recall blasting anyone

Good question but he is a former NBA star with ties to getting top talent. Mark my word other programs are interested in his services. Maybe just for his recruiting. But if he gets a few 4 and 5 stars, well in the aac that's almost guaranteed to get us a bid on talent alone.
But I respect your opinion you don't like the idea so again I'll ask what scenario if a change is made would you like to see? Don't just say you don't like penny or whoever wins.

There are a ton of coaches I would like to see come here but the question lies can we afford them and are they willing to come here.

Right now we are limited in what we can pay...Look at Georgia Tech they are paying over 5Million this year for coaches and they have Pastner walking the sidelines.

If we had unlimited resources I say fire Tubby yesterday, but if firing Tubby forces us into a budget hire I saw ride it out a little longer.

Nah....I say offer penny 1.2 million with incentives while tubby is paid over the 6 yrs. Ticket revenue increases instantly. The option is there. The balls? I'm not so sure. A failed penny is no worse than where we are now. At the end of penny's contract tubby is all but paid and so is penny. If we keep tubby at the same projection of current success, it will cost the same if we go with penny. Worst case scenario penny is deservedly owed a contract extension after year 2.

Worst Case is Penny flames out early and we need to fire him in year two and we are on the hook for 2.5 Million per year for 2 other coaches for another 3 years.

Yep. Assuming penny doesnt bring recruits and goes the juco route.
No way he flames out in year 2. The fanbase, if he had good recruiting classes aka hope for the future, wouldnt be against him in year 2. It would take at least year 5 before recruiting drops off.
I travel all over the country for work at vocational schools and even those young kids that are non athletes with no ties to Memphis still know who penny Hardaway is. They still even dig his shoes.lol

(02-18-2018 11:32 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 11:20 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 11:11 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 10:18 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:26 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Good question but he is a former NBA star with ties to getting top talent. Mark my word other programs are interested in his services. Maybe just for his recruiting. But if he gets a few 4 and 5 stars, well in the aac that's almost guaranteed to get us a bid on talent alone.
But I respect your opinion you don't like the idea so again I'll ask what scenario if a change is made would you like to see? Don't just say you don't like penny or whoever wins.

There are a ton of coaches I would like to see come here but the question lies can we afford them and are they willing to come here.

Right now we are limited in what we can pay...Look at Georgia Tech they are paying over 5Million this year for coaches and they have Pastner walking the sidelines.

If we had unlimited resources I say fire Tubby yesterday, but if firing Tubby forces us into a budget hire I saw ride it out a little longer.

Nah....I say offer penny 1.2 million with incentives while tubby is paid over the 6 yrs. Ticket revenue increases instantly. The option is there. The balls? I'm not so sure. A failed penny is no worse than where we are now. At the end of penny's contract tubby is all but paid and so is penny. If we keep tubby at the same projection of current success, it will cost the same if we go with penny. Worst case scenario penny is deservedly owed a contract extension after year 2.

Worst Case is Penny flames out early and we need to fire him in year two and we are on the hook for 2.5 Million per year for 2 other coaches for another 3 years.

Yep. Assuming penny doesnt bring recruits and goes the juco route.
No way he flames out in year 2. The fanbase, if he had good recruiting classes aka hope for the future, wouldnt be against him in year 2. It would take at least year 5 before recruiting drops off.
I travel all over the country for work at vocational schools and even those young kids that are non athletes with no ties to Memphis still know who penny Hardaway is. They still even dig his shoes.lol

Shoes cost more than his "airness"



"Anfernee “Penny” Hardaway was one of the most popular players in the NBA throughout his 14-year career, mostly during his days of playing alongside Shaquille O’Neal for the Orlando Magic. And though injuries plagued his career, keeping him from shining the way many thought he would, his Nike signature shoes are one of the best that ever hit the court.

The Beaverton, Ore.-based athletic giant is set to release a new colorway of Hardaway’s most popular shoe — and the most innovative for the time it was released: the Air Foamposite One. Originally hitting stores in 1997, the shoe returns tomorrow with a mirror finish, a concept that debuted in 2012. The Air Foamposite One Blue Mirror will retail for $275." courtesy NIKE

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If we are going to pay him based on qualifications 500k would be high.

Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

(02-19-2018 12:44 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Puck Fenny

You don't like the man? I get it if you don't want him as a coach but.....come on.

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If we are going to pay him based on qualifications 500k would be high.

Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If we are going to pay him based on qualifications 500k would be high.

Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If we are going to pay him based on qualifications 500k would be high.

Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

(02-19-2018 09:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:44 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Puck Fenny

You don't like the man? I get it if you don't want him as a coach but.....come on.

Like Russell used to say “NC” no class.

(02-19-2018 09:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:44 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  Puck Fenny

You don't like the man? I get it if you don't want him as a coach but.....come on.

I love Penny.

Consider it a social experiment.

what's not to like

https://www.redcuprebellion.com/2018/2/1...-lil-penny

(02-19-2018 12:31 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  what's not to like

https://www.redcuprebellion.com/2018/2/1...-lil-penny

It’s simple. There’s no way the administration can watch Penny go down the street to ole miss and take Wiseman and company with him. It’s an easy decision.

(02-19-2018 12:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:31 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  what's not to like

https://www.redcuprebellion.com/2018/2/1...-lil-penny

It’s simple. There’s no way the administration can watch Penny go down the street to ole miss and take Wiseman and company with him. It’s an easy decision.

That would be a PR disaster. Imagine if penny made the tournament before us.

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:15 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  If we are going to pay him based on qualifications 500k would be high.

Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

(02-19-2018 01:08 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:31 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  what's not to like

https://www.redcuprebellion.com/2018/2/1...-lil-penny

It’s simple. There’s no way the administration can watch Penny go down the street to ole miss and take Wiseman and company with him. It’s an easy decision.

That would be a PR disaster. Imagine if penny made the tournament before us.

Exactly

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 06:49 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  Anything less than 500k would be a insult and show no confidence from the admin. He would have his work cut out for him to get this program climbing. A couple of his recruits alone is worth 500k. Just ask a shoe company if they are. Lol

You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

I like that deal.
Although if penny is successful and pulling 4 and 5 stars, the big boys will come calling. Doubt he'd leave tho. But they will try.

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

A backloaded contract is still guaranteed money that must be paid if it doesn't work out

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

(02-19-2018 03:08 PM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 03:00 PM)tiger ron Wrote:  I say give Penny a 5 year contract that is back loaded. That way if we pay Tubby off in 6 years it will not be a financial hardship. We would start drawing enough fans where we can receive our Grizzly payment of $600,000per year by having a minimum attendance requirement fulfilled. Keep the buyout low because I don't expect anyone will try to hire him away. Pay him $750,000 the first year with incentives and increase it by $250,000 each year.

I like that deal.
Although if penny is successful and pulling 4 and 5 stars, the big boys will come calling. Doubt he'd leave tho. But they will try.

He will be shown soo much LOCAL LOVE!!!!! HE AIN"T GOIN NOWHERE! It WON'T be about the $$$$$$$ That's for sure......

(02-19-2018 02:54 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 01:47 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:03 AM)Tigergary Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 09:33 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 12:35 AM)Shooters Wrote:  You insult Penny one time with an offer like that, it’s over for life. In his mind, is he 1/6 the coach Tubby is or does he have 1/6 the value of Tubby?

He has 1/6th the qualifications...

Blind Resume

A) NBA Allstar and a 3 year High School Coach with connections to recruits.

B) Multiple National Coach of the year awards and a gazillion years as a college coach and a national championship

And how is B working out for us?

You see that is the deal...

You never know how it is going to work out but if I was the hiring manager looking to hire I would pick B pretty much every time (Obviously we are talking about before he got to Memphis and stunk it up).

Let's say we could have Kelvin Sampson or Penny next year...Who do you take? All money and extenuating circumstances aside.

Sampson wanted the job when josh left. I think Tubby and Sampson are good friends, I wonder if he wouldn’t want to take over after Tubby?

I’d go with Penny if he told me he could bring the players.

If he guaranteed, with some sort of proof, that he could deliver the players I think that evens the playing field somewhat but Penny is such a huge risk. Penny is a much bigger risk than Josh was