(02-20-2018 07:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Got it. I have duly noted that you think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Since you repeatedly report Kenpom & other sources twice weekly to state the Memphis conference standing, surely you trust the predicted line that indicated Tulane was favored. Rather inconsistent & contradictory, then, to assume Memphis will or should beat Tulane, right?

I understand. You think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Tubby hasn’t lost to Tulane. Last loss was Pastner’s 2016 loss. So what’s your point?

My point is I think it is accurate stating that beating Tulane should be the expected result for a Tiger coach. I find it fascinating that anyone would dispute it. I also sense that some good Tiger fans are ok with lowering the bar just for Tubby which I find perplexing.

From a historical perspective, Memphis should be expected to beat Tulane.

That being said, is is helpful to look at particular years and also examine the makeup of the respective teams. Even the crummiest schools can have good years.

However, the Tulane of this year and last is awful. So, it's not some feather in the cap to say Tubby has never lost to Tulane.

Before Pastner lost to Tulane, Memphis had won 21 in a row. And if you recall, losing to Tulane was a HUGE embarrassment to those fans who weren't up Pastner's bunghole.

Then, there was the game in which Memphis (through Austin) eeked out a road win vs. Tulane and Pastner did that little locker room dance. That was the end for a lot of folks as to how he had set expectations. No Memphis coach should be celebrating a win vs. a crummy Tulane team.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-724511.html

So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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(02-20-2018 09:46 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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Yeah, I guess it means the program is moving forward.

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:46 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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Yeah, I guess it means the program is moving forward.

Did I say that. You keep putting words in my mouth. Not the first time you've done that. Starting to get old.


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(02-20-2018 09:57 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:46 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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Yeah, I guess it means the program is moving forward.

Did I say that. You keep putting words in my mouth. Not the first time you've done that. Starting to get old.


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Ok, answer your own question. What is the issue?

(02-20-2018 09:57 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:46 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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Yeah, I guess it means the program is moving forward.

Did I say that. You keep putting words in my mouth. Not the first time you've done that. Starting to get old.


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Memphis has a negative scoring margin for the season.

If it remains, that will be the first negative +/- margin since 1993-94 and only the 7th time in Tigers' history since 1955.

Bottom line is beating Tulane is better than losing to them.

This team is performing about as well as expected given the players on the roster. The real issue is there are no program changing players in the pipeline or even sniffing us.

(02-20-2018 07:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Got it. I have duly noted that you think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Since you repeatedly report Kenpom & other sources twice weekly to state the Memphis conference standing, surely you trust the predicted line that indicated Tulane was favored. Rather inconsistent & contradictory, then, to assume Memphis will or should beat Tulane, right?

I understand. You think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Tubby hasn’t lost to Tulane. Last loss was Pastner’s 2016 loss. So what’s your point?

My point is I think it is accurate stating that beating Tulane should be the expected result for a Tiger coach. I find it fascinating that anyone would dispute it. I also sense that some good Tiger fans are ok with lowering the bar just for Tubby which I find perplexing.

I think most people agree we shouldn't lose to Tulane but I also feel that you persona on here when it comes to Tubby is highly annoying and that is why people constantly challenge and argue with you.

(02-20-2018 12:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since you repeatedly report Kenpom & other sources twice weekly to state the Memphis conference standing, surely you trust the predicted line that indicated Tulane was favored. Rather inconsistent & contradictory, then, to assume Memphis will or should beat Tulane, right?

I understand. You think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Tubby hasn’t lost to Tulane. Last loss was Pastner’s 2016 loss. So what’s your point?

My point is I think it is accurate stating that beating Tulane should be the expected result for a Tiger coach. I find it fascinating that anyone would dispute it. I also sense that some good Tiger fans are ok with lowering the bar just for Tubby which I find perplexing.

I think most people agree we shouldn't lose to Tulane but I also feel that you persona on here when it comes to Tubby is highly annoying and that is why people constantly challenge and argue with you.

I enjoy lively debate delivered in a civil manner.

My advice is to ignore posters and posts folks consider annoying as there is no mechanism in place here forcing participation.

(02-20-2018 01:28 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:38 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Please kindly show the inaccuracy of my comment.

Tulane was favored in yesterday's game. Teams don't win or lose based upon some opinion of historical results but instead based upon the teams on the floor.

Ok, let’s deconstruct:
1. Should beating Tulane be the expected result for a Tiger coach? If no, then you dispute the accuracy of my comment.

2. Should we lower the bar for Tubby? If yes, then you dispute the accuracy of my comment.

Moveover, the reason we were underdogs is due to the quality of the team constructed by Tubby. Finally, we should completely discount the effect on the game outcome due to opposition injuries - a frequent occurance this season.

Historically, didn't the previous 5 coaches all lose to Tulane? So again, wouldn't that mean that Tubby is overachieving based on the spectrum of your question?

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You refuse to consider 13 years with very similar results under 4 very different conditions as a valid sample size, but you consider it valid to use isolated results against Tulane.

How does that make any sense?

I just asked a question dude. Didn't make any point at all. You should not ASSume.

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(02-20-2018 07:24 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:28 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 05:38 PM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:53 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:09 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Tulane was favored in yesterday's game. Teams don't win or lose based upon some opinion of historical results but instead based upon the teams on the floor.

Ok, let’s deconstruct:
1. Should beating Tulane be the expected result for a Tiger coach? If no, then you dispute the accuracy of my comment.

2. Should we lower the bar for Tubby? If yes, then you dispute the accuracy of my comment.

Moveover, the reason we were underdogs is due to the quality of the team constructed by Tubby. Finally, we should completely discount the effect on the game outcome due to opposition injuries - a frequent occurance this season.

Historically, didn't the previous 5 coaches all lose to Tulane? So again, wouldn't that mean that Tubby is overachieving based on the spectrum of your question?

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You refuse to consider 13 years with very similar results under 4 very different conditions as a valid sample size, but you consider it valid to use isolated results against Tulane.

How does that make any sense?

His or her response does not surprise me, but it is enlightening nevertheless. It provides a window into the thought process of good Tiger fans sharing his or her viewpoint. I do not condemn their opinions, although I find it interesting.

It was just a question. I seek knowledge.

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(02-20-2018 07:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 06:02 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Got it. I have duly noted that you think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Since you repeatedly report Kenpom & other sources twice weekly to state the Memphis conference standing, surely you trust the predicted line that indicated Tulane was favored. Rather inconsistent & contradictory, then, to assume Memphis will or should beat Tulane, right?

I understand. You think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Tubby hasn’t lost to Tulane. Last loss was Pastner’s 2016 loss. So what’s your point?

My point is I think it is accurate stating that beating Tulane should be the expected result for a Tiger coach. I find it fascinating that anyone would dispute it. I also sense that some good Tiger fans are ok with lowering the bar just for Tubby which I find perplexing.

Well he is the only coach during their career at Memphis to actually clear the bar YOU brought up (beat Tulane every time they play them). If there is a point to be made in this silly discussion, shouldn't that be it.

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(02-20-2018 10:34 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:57 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 09:46 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote:  So what is the issue? We have not lost to Tulane since the tub has been coaching here.


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Yeah, I guess it means the program is moving forward.

Did I say that. You keep putting words in my mouth. Not the first time you've done that. Starting to get old.


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Memphis has a negative scoring margin for the season.

If it remains, that will be the first negative +/- margin since 1993-94 and only the 7th time in Tigers' history since 1955.

Whats that got to do with winning the last 2 road games. I'm pretty sure we have a positive scoring margin in those 2 games and that is the POINT of the thread. Stay on track.

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(02-20-2018 11:39 AM)450bench Wrote:  Bottom line is beating Tulane is better than losing to them.

Yep.

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(02-20-2018 11:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  This team is performing about as well as expected given the players on the roster. The real issue is there are no program changing players in the pipeline or even sniffing us.

Did you expect Martin to be the leading scorer in the conference before the season started? You never know what might happen year to year.

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(02-20-2018 12:14 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:47 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:28 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 07:14 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 01:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since you repeatedly report Kenpom & other sources twice weekly to state the Memphis conference standing, surely you trust the predicted line that indicated Tulane was favored. Rather inconsistent & contradictory, then, to assume Memphis will or should beat Tulane, right?

I understand. You think my statement is inaccurate because beating Tulane should not be the expected result for a Tiger coach.

Tubby hasn’t lost to Tulane. Last loss was Pastner’s 2016 loss. So what’s your point?

My point is I think it is accurate stating that beating Tulane should be the expected result for a Tiger coach. I find it fascinating that anyone would dispute it. I also sense that some good Tiger fans are ok with lowering the bar just for Tubby which I find perplexing.

I think most people agree we shouldn't lose to Tulane but I also feel that you persona on here when it comes to Tubby is highly annoying and that is why people constantly challenge and argue with you.

Yep.

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(02-21-2018 12:14 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  This team is performing about as well as expected given the players on the roster. The real issue is there are no program changing players in the pipeline or even sniffing us.

Did you expect Martin to be the leading scorer in the conference before the season started? You never know what might happen year to year.

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We all wondered who the hell was going to score 70 points a game (a stretch) but somebody had to get points to keeps averaging 60 some odd. Martin doesn’t score efficiently except when he plays the two and drives to the basket a lot.

(02-21-2018 12:41 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:14 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  This team is performing about as well as expected given the players on the roster. The real issue is there are no program changing players in the pipeline or even sniffing us.

Did you expect Martin to be the leading scorer in the conference before the season started? You never know what might happen year to year.

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We all wondered who the hell was going to score 70 points a game (a stretch) but somebody had to get points to keeps averaging 60 some odd. Martin doesn’t score efficiently except when he plays the two and drives to the basket a lot.

Exactly. Just goes to show you never know who may show out.

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(02-21-2018 02:11 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:41 AM)Shooters Wrote:  

(02-21-2018 12:14 AM)bcspiker Wrote:  

(02-20-2018 11:55 AM)midtowncowboy Wrote:  This team is performing about as well as expected given the players on the roster. The real issue is there are no program changing players in the pipeline or even sniffing us.

Did you expect Martin to be the leading scorer in the conference before the season started? You never know what might happen year to year.

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We all wondered who the hell was going to score 70 points a game (a stretch) but somebody had to get points to keeps averaging 60 some odd. Martin doesn’t score efficiently except when he plays the two and drives to the basket a lot.

Exactly. Just goes to show you never know who may show out.

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I think you can look at Cal's teams before just about any season except 2001 and 2005 and come close to predicting how each would end the same way that you can look at this year's team and predict how it will end. I said I feared 15 wins, predicted 18 and hoped for 20. I think any prediction between 15 and 20 wins without coming close to sniffing the post season was reasonable before the season started.

Some players show out, some don't, some surprise good and bad. The team is proving to be what everyone was so worried about before the season started.