You don't have to read this thread or board.

Yet here you are complaining about doing it.

(02-18-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  You don't have to read this thread or board.

Yet here you are complaining about doing it.

Trust me, I didn’t read yours and Shakespeare’s 154 Sonnets. I didn’t expect to get hit in the face with a wall of text when I opened this thread.

(02-18-2018 08:34 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:28 PM)AndShock Wrote:  Someone put a muzzle on these guys.

Good job. You bitched about something you volunteered yourself for.

Andshock proves "rocket science" isn't his specialty.

(02-18-2018 07:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  His name was Lenny Cooke and he was also ranked higher than Carmelo Anthony and Stoudamire. While in high school some considered Sebastian Telfair to be a better player although playing guard and a year younger. Telfair was the first NBA high school player ever drafted at 6 feet tall.

Actually yes it does reduce risk, one it gives them a second chance to look at kids against higher overall competition before making a decision which allows them to stay in school when not ready and on the college's dime not sucking up salary, two it was a necessary give in order to institute salary restrictions on incoming players on their first NBA contract (which was getting out of hand), three the number of high school kids as busts vs now is skewed because of the first number meaning while the number of busts have remained realitively the same before and after the rule potential busts we're eliminated in college settings or developed into players within the college system. Mean while the investment cost has gone down along with the development cost in relative terms to the teams spending. It's a huge win for the NBA and perhas a nail in the coffin of the NCAA integrity, if the current FBI investigation leads to major charges for Bluebloods. Remember the door for this is open because of shoe companies trying to get the jump on kids who will go professional, which is only an issue because they have to maintain amateur status.

The Ball family was early on the curve but I expect you will see this lead to more high school players going over seas ala soccer for the pay and the play. Surprised it hasn't happened already. Why sign with a college? Take a couple million to play in France for a year or two and enter the draft already an experienced professional.

lenny cooke and lebron weren't even in the same class. lenny cooke was 2+ years older and went undrafted.

and NBA player development costs have gone up because now almost every team has their own d-league affiliate and that wasn't the case back then. and the two-way contracts, higher pay, etc. 40% of players on nba rosters today have spent time in the d-league.

(02-18-2018 08:51 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  You don't have to read this thread or board.

Yet here you are complaining about doing it.

Trust me, I didn’t read yours and Shakespeare’s 154 Sonnets. I didn’t expect to get hit in the face with a wall of text when I opened this thread.

Reminds me of that one time I was wrong, that one time I thought I was wrong.

(02-18-2018 08:58 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  His name was Lenny Cooke and he was also ranked higher than Carmelo Anthony and Stoudamire. While in high school some considered Sebastian Telfair to be a better player although playing guard and a year younger. Telfair was the first NBA high school player ever drafted at 6 feet tall.

Actually yes it does reduce risk, one it gives them a second chance to look at kids against higher overall competition before making a decision which allows them to stay in school when not ready and on the college's dime not sucking up salary, two it was a necessary give in order to institute salary restrictions on incoming players on their first NBA contract (which was getting out of hand), three the number of high school kids as busts vs now is skewed because of the first number meaning while the number of busts have remained realitively the same before and after the rule potential busts we're eliminated in college settings or developed into players within the college system. Mean while the investment cost has gone down along with the development cost in relative terms to the teams spending. It's a huge win for the NBA and perhas a nail in the coffin of the NCAA integrity, if the current FBI investigation leads to major charges for Bluebloods. Remember the door for this is open because of shoe companies trying to get the jump on kids who will go professional, which is only an issue because they have to maintain amateur status.

The Ball family was early on the curve but I expect you will see this lead to more high school players going over seas ala soccer for the pay and the play. Surprised it hasn't happened already. Why sign with a college? Take a couple million to play in France for a year or two and enter the draft already an experienced professional.

lenny cooke and lebron weren't even in the same class. lenny cooke was 2+ years older and went undrafted.

and NBA player development costs have gone up because now almost every team has their own d-league affiliate and that wasn't the case back then. and the two-way contracts, higher pay, etc. 40% of players on nba rosters today have spent time in the d-league.

The g league player makes nothing especially compared to sitting on an NBA bench. Besides that the NBA was going to deveolpe the g league regardless since there was no profitable minor leagues for the NBA to pilfer from.

Lenny Cooke, Sebastion Telfair, Kwami Brown, etc all played high school in the same era as LeBron, most didn't make and were busts. LeBron was a good prospect but people thought there were better ones then him ready to go. Point being recruiting even with a consensus can be wrong, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie anyone?

(02-18-2018 09:17 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:58 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  His name was Lenny Cooke and he was also ranked higher than Carmelo Anthony and Stoudamire. While in high school some considered Sebastian Telfair to be a better player although playing guard and a year younger. Telfair was the first NBA high school player ever drafted at 6 feet tall.

Actually yes it does reduce risk, one it gives them a second chance to look at kids against higher overall competition before making a decision which allows them to stay in school when not ready and on the college's dime not sucking up salary, two it was a necessary give in order to institute salary restrictions on incoming players on their first NBA contract (which was getting out of hand), three the number of high school kids as busts vs now is skewed because of the first number meaning while the number of busts have remained realitively the same before and after the rule potential busts we're eliminated in college settings or developed into players within the college system. Mean while the investment cost has gone down along with the development cost in relative terms to the teams spending. It's a huge win for the NBA and perhas a nail in the coffin of the NCAA integrity, if the current FBI investigation leads to major charges for Bluebloods. Remember the door for this is open because of shoe companies trying to get the jump on kids who will go professional, which is only an issue because they have to maintain amateur status.

The Ball family was early on the curve but I expect you will see this lead to more high school players going over seas ala soccer for the pay and the play. Surprised it hasn't happened already. Why sign with a college? Take a couple million to play in France for a year or two and enter the draft already an experienced professional.

lenny cooke and lebron weren't even in the same class. lenny cooke was 2+ years older and went undrafted.

and NBA player development costs have gone up because now almost every team has their own d-league affiliate and that wasn't the case back then. and the two-way contracts, higher pay, etc. 40% of players on nba rosters today have spent time in the d-league.

The g league player makes nothing especially compared to sitting on an NBA bench. Besides that the NBA was going to deveolpe the g league regardless since there was no profitable minor leagues for the NBA to pilfer from.

Lenny Cooke, Sebastion Telfair, Kwami Brown, etc all played high school in the same era as LeBron, most didn't make and were busts. LeBron was a good prospect but people thought there were better ones then him ready to go. Point being recruiting even with a consensus can be wrong, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie anyone?

lebron was a no-brainer and best prospect in the land from his sophomore year at st vincent. he would have been drafted #1 overall in 2002 if he could have come out as a junior. after his sophomore year slam magazine declared him the best high school player in the nation. he was on the cover of sports illustrated as an underclassmen. lebron was a class above the rest for at least 2 years before he got to the nba.

and injuries got greg oden.

SMU has 1 "open" scholarship. They really have 2 open scholarships, because there is already one player who will not be back next season. Then if Shake is gone we have 3 open ships.

We will be very active over the next few months. We are swinging for the fences on a few HS prospects. We will be active in the JuCo/Grad-Transfer market as well. Wendell Mitchell is a guy we are interested in. Jordan Brangers has been mentioned as well, but not sure how much interest in him. Wouldn't be surprised if we got another traditional transfer as well.

(02-18-2018 09:42 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 09:17 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 08:58 PM)Meatwad Wrote:  

(02-18-2018 07:25 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  His name was Lenny Cooke and he was also ranked higher than Carmelo Anthony and Stoudamire. While in high school some considered Sebastian Telfair to be a better player although playing guard and a year younger. Telfair was the first NBA high school player ever drafted at 6 feet tall.

Actually yes it does reduce risk, one it gives them a second chance to look at kids against higher overall competition before making a decision which allows them to stay in school when not ready and on the college's dime not sucking up salary, two it was a necessary give in order to institute salary restrictions on incoming players on their first NBA contract (which was getting out of hand), three the number of high school kids as busts vs now is skewed because of the first number meaning while the number of busts have remained realitively the same before and after the rule potential busts we're eliminated in college settings or developed into players within the college system. Mean while the investment cost has gone down along with the development cost in relative terms to the teams spending. It's a huge win for the NBA and perhas a nail in the coffin of the NCAA integrity, if the current FBI investigation leads to major charges for Bluebloods. Remember the door for this is open because of shoe companies trying to get the jump on kids who will go professional, which is only an issue because they have to maintain amateur status.

The Ball family was early on the curve but I expect you will see this lead to more high school players going over seas ala soccer for the pay and the play. Surprised it hasn't happened already. Why sign with a college? Take a couple million to play in France for a year or two and enter the draft already an experienced professional.

lenny cooke and lebron weren't even in the same class. lenny cooke was 2+ years older and went undrafted.

and NBA player development costs have gone up because now almost every team has their own d-league affiliate and that wasn't the case back then. and the two-way contracts, higher pay, etc. 40% of players on nba rosters today have spent time in the d-league.

The g league player makes nothing especially compared to sitting on an NBA bench. Besides that the NBA was going to deveolpe the g league regardless since there was no profitable minor leagues for the NBA to pilfer from.

Lenny Cooke, Sebastion Telfair, Kwami Brown, etc all played high school in the same era as LeBron, most didn't make and were busts. LeBron was a good prospect but people thought there were better ones then him ready to go. Point being recruiting even with a consensus can be wrong, Greg Oden, Sam Bowie anyone?

lebron was a no-brainer and best prospect in the land from his sophomore year at st vincent. he would have been drafted #1 overall in 2002 if he could have come out as a junior. after his sophomore year slam magazine declared him the best high school player in the nation. he was on the cover of sports illustrated as an underclassmen. lebron was a class above the rest for at least 2 years before he got to the nba.

and injuries got greg oden.

Best prospect based on his size and physical potential. Other players were considered to be better players at the moment during his high school career. They showed these games/matchups of high school kids on ESPN and it was debated relentlessly. Lenny Cooke was two years older than him and considered better. Sebastion Telfair was a year younger. How many first round draft picks you know at 6'0 feet tall? We remember who LeBron is because he made it. Before he was LeBron James he was just another highly touted player.

(02-19-2018 10:40 AM)PonyHoopsFan85 Wrote:  SMU has 1 "open" scholarship. They really have 2 open scholarships, because there is already one player who will not be back next season. Then if Shake is gone we have 3 open ships.

We will be very active over the next few months. We are swinging for the fences on a few HS prospects. We will be active in the JuCo/Grad-Transfer market as well. Wendell Mitchell is a guy we are interested in. Jordan Brangers has been mentioned as well, but not sure how much interest in him. Wouldn't be surprised if we got another traditional transfer as well.

updated juco recruit rankings from yesterday moved mitchell to the #1 juco

i hope one of the 4 AAC targeting him hard gets him..
at this point im assuming shake and shamet are gone..projections from 3 days ago have both first round..i think evans, tacko, frazier test the waters but ultimately come back

i hope smu gets him, i think they need him the most and he will make the most impact for them needing a scorer and he is the best likely prospect for smu ..

(02-19-2018 05:34 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(02-19-2018 10:40 AM)PonyHoopsFan85 Wrote:  SMU has 1 "open" scholarship. They really have 2 open scholarships, because there is already one player who will not be back next season. Then if Shake is gone we have 3 open ships.

We will be very active over the next few months. We are swinging for the fences on a few HS prospects. We will be active in the JuCo/Grad-Transfer market as well. Wendell Mitchell is a guy we are interested in. Jordan Brangers has been mentioned as well, but not sure how much interest in him. Wouldn't be surprised if we got another traditional transfer as well.

updated juco recruit rankings from yesterday moved mitchell to the #1 juco

i hope one of the 4 AAC targeting him hard gets him..
at this point im assuming shake and shamet are gone..projections from 3 days ago have both first round..i think evans, tacko, frazier test the waters but ultimately come back

i hope smu gets him, i think they need him the most and he will make the most impact for them needing a scorer and he is the best likely prospect for smu ..

Yeah Mitchell would go well in the back-court with Whitt and McMurray. We are also looking for another forward to join Jarrey Foster, Isiaha Mike, Ethan Chargois and 2018 signee Feron Hunt.

I know we are pushing for Blake Hinson to reclassify to 2018 and looking at JuCo and Grad-Transfer bigs.

We will have a good 5-6 next year, but trying to get to 7-8. As we saw this season you need depth not to get worn down and if you lose 2 starters to injury and you only have 5-6 rotation guys you are