programs, and lottery picks


A source who has been briefed on the case laughed: “You might see Tennessee-Chattanooga as a No. 2 seed.”

Great Article on the whole mess, whene they're going to do the same to CFB, it needs cleaning up too.

LINK

Maybe why ND decided to come clean, knows what's coming down the pipe

Forgive if this has already been posted

Its a dirty little sport.

I think that ACC Coaches Show ESPN did will look really funny in retrospect when Pitino, Boeheim, Williams, & Kzryzewski are all taken down by the FBI.

I just hope they clean house when they get going.


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(02-17-2018 11:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I think that ACC Coaches Show ESPN did will look really funny in retrospect when Pitino, Boeheim, Williams, & Kzryzewski are all taken down by the FBI.

Big "if" here, but if they terminated all of the university presidents and athletic directors along with the head coaches then this could be quite a nice seed change moving forward. And one other thing needs to occur. The NCAA should be terminated and a new governance structure formed, but one that only receives an apportionment of funding from its members annually for operational costs. In no way should the new structure be permitted to bankroll revenue at the expense of the schools.

when will names be released?

I read something yesterday that said 50 P5 and Big East schools. So it sounds like most of the top "brands" are going to get hit.

(02-17-2018 12:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(02-17-2018 11:51 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I think that ACC Coaches Show ESPN did will look really funny in retrospect when Pitino, Boeheim, Williams, & Kzryzewski are all taken down by the FBI.

Big "if" here, but if they terminated all of the university presidents and athletic directors along with the head coaches then this could be quite a nice seed change moving forward. And one other thing needs to occur. The NCAA should be terminated and a new governance structure formed, but one that only receives an apportionment of funding from its members annually for operational costs. In no way should the new structure be permitted to bankroll revenue at the expense of the schools.

Well UNC got rid of its leadership, but its new president and provost went after the whistleblower even worse than the previous one did. And they still didn't punish UNC.

(02-17-2018 12:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  when will names be released?

It'll be a slow process. Unless someone steals the files, the first case won't start until the fall. Plenty of time for coaches to sudden decide to take their talents to the NBA or choose to 'spend more time with their kids'.

One thing that strikes me as odd... If the FBI had another 50 suspects, why did they go public when they did? They easily have the man power to raid/search 50 institutions at the same time. They gave those 50 suspects and others months to make plans.

(02-17-2018 05:03 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  One thing that strikes me as odd... If the FBI had another 50 suspects, why did they go public when they did? They easily have the man power to raid/search 50 institutions at the same time. They gave those 50 suspects and others months to make plans.

Most likely, what the feds have, other than the cases they have already filed, is enough to make certain coaches look sleazy, and for anyone with common sense to realize that players or their families were being paid under the table, but not enough to convict those people of federal crimes. Maybe additional people will be charged if some of the people under investigation -- the agents and shoe company guys -- "flip" and provide evidence against others.

And in any event head coaches have enough street smarts to keep themselves at least one or two people away from the actual transaction and transfer of money. Anyone expecting to see the arrest of their least-favorite star head coach is almost certainly going to be disappointed.

NCAA could be killing its selve. What if this schools all form a new group not associated with the NCAA? There goes the revenue that feeds the NCAA. No law against this. Violating NCAA rules is not against Federal laws,

(02-17-2018 05:03 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  One thing that strikes me as odd... If the FBI had another 50 suspects, why did they go public when they did? They easily have the man power to raid/search 50 institutions at the same time. They gave those 50 suspects and others months to make plans.

Grab a few and offer them leniency for singing. Pretty standard investigative tactic, and you usually don't grab the worst offenders first.

(02-17-2018 11:29 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  programs, and lottery picks


A source who has been briefed on the case laughed: “You might see Tennessee-Chattanooga as a No. 2 seed.”

Great Article on the whole mess, whene they're going to do the same to CFB, it needs cleaning up too.

LINK

Maybe why ND decided to come clean, knows what's coming down the pipe

Forgive if this has already been posted

The ND stuff happened in 2014..........

(02-17-2018 11:29 AM)BIgCatonProwl Wrote:  programs, and lottery picks


A source who has been briefed on the case laughed: “You might see Tennessee-Chattanooga as a No. 2 seed.”

Great Article on the whole mess, whene they're going to do the same to CFB, it needs cleaning up too.

LINK

Maybe why ND decided to come clean, knows what's coming down the pipe

Forgive if this has already been posted

Why do I get the distinct feeling that an UNC coach who is currently retired might be caught up in all of this?? Oh, and a current UNC coach and a Duke coach too.

(02-17-2018 05:31 PM)Wedge Wrote:  And in any event head coaches have enough street smarts to keep themselves at least one or two people away from the actual transaction and transfer of money. Anyone expecting to see the arrest of their least-favorite star head coach is almost certainly going to be disappointed.

On a tangent, but I'm left to wonder that if that's the way of things as a head coach at a major basketball school, why aren't more coaches flipping to the pros? You don't have to worry about this crap up there; you manage talent and you guide that talent through games and a season. The recruitment component of college athletics is utterly disgusting at the top level. Dealing with donors and boosters are a total PitA. "What have you done for me lately" mentality from your bosses, who can unofficially include said donors and boosters. Winning and maybe ***-kissing your hotshot players are the constants...none of this extra stuff at the top level.

If coaches can't be the guys holding the bags of money or wheeling and dealing with the rotten talent pipelines below the collegiate level, or have to put on the charade they're unaware of this stuff, while having to appear like this servant of the institution at all times, what's the real incentive?

Is Coach K any different from Paterno, in that a guy can have so much power and influence over operations? Is what happened at Penn State, and now Michigan State, probably more the norm? That people might flip out over what kind of perks that come with these gigs one's never supposed to know about?

In the pros, you have to deal with guys like Steve Francis, a primadonna who get any coach or GM fired. Then you have to deal free agency, the salary cap, issues with the fan base, etc.

(02-17-2018 05:03 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  One thing that strikes me as odd... If the FBI had another 50 suspects, why did they go public when they did? They easily have the man power to raid/search 50 institutions at the same time. They gave those 50 suspects and others months to make plans.

to give people time to delete emails scrub files and destroy hard drives?

(02-18-2018 04:13 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  In the pros, you have to deal with guys like Steve Francis, a primadonna who get any coach or GM fired. Then you have to deal free agency, the salary cap, issues with the fan base, etc.

Different jobs, pro or college, suit different personalities. There are problems to deal with either way.

Sure, Coach K is the king of his own program ... but Belichick has just as much power with the Patriots.

A pro coach, like Doug Collins, can get fired even if he's winning, if his best player (you know who) thinks he's not winning enough or just wants the coach gone ... but a winning college coach, like Mike Bellotti at Oregon, can get fired just because his school's biggest donor (you know who) thinks he's not winning enough and wants someone else to have the job.

(02-17-2018 05:52 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  NCAA could be killing its selve. What if this schools all form a new group not associated with the NCAA? There goes the revenue that feeds the NCAA. No law against this. Violating NCAA rules is not against Federal laws,

The NCAA are the schools. They created it. They made the rules for it. They set the structure. They can change the rules or structure at any time.

If they go form a new organization it will still be them.

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