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(02-15-2018 09:41 PM)TTT Wrote:  My point is that I assumed MTSU and their clout they've garnered over the past few years coupled with the notion that streaming is supposedly where it's at nowadays...I kinda thought there would be a large viewing audience.

That is the problem right there. USM is the best brand in CUSA yet you expect MTSU fans to do the heavy lifting while you ride their coattail.

Since when? I don't agree with that notion at all....Maybe 10 years ago but certainly not now...

Methinks he was being facetious

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Most CUSA basketball games are played at the same time now. I was only able to watch the end of the WKU-NT after I got home from ours last night. I understand why the games are played when they are, but it does keep viewership down.
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(02-16-2018 09:53 AM)chidave Wrote:  Most CUSA basketball games are played at the same time now. I was only able to watch the end of the WKU-NT after I got home from ours last night. I understand why the games are played when they are, but it does keep viewership down.

Agreed. This is another thing that needs "fixing", especially on Saturdays.

Also, wouldn't mind if we played a Sunday matinee game or two. There's a lot of stuff going on in everyone's lives on Saturdays... esp. those with young kids.
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(02-16-2018 06:53 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 11:35 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Could you also see the game from WatchStadium.com ?

Does Facebook count the FireStick, etc, App users the same as those on computers and phones ?

Was the game on the actual Stadium Channel ?

I was at the MT vs. Western women's game. Good crowd there.

If it's through Facebook it would. Can you get FB through fire stick?

Yes, I added the FB app to all of my streaming devices. It works fairly well.
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RE: A whopping 1.8k people watching CUSA's best bball team in a good game on fb...
(02-15-2018 10:52 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(02-15-2018 10:15 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
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(02-15-2018 09:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  [quote='TTT' pid='15078717' dateline='1518748883']
More than a billion people on Facebook and we can only muster 1.8k viewers in a real good game starring CUSA's #1 team vs a middle of the pack team. That number is depressing.

Honestly.....

who wants to see S. Miss play? And while Middle is the best in CUSA, no one outside of a CUSA fan is caring about Middle playing S. Miss. Most of CUSA is watching THEIR team play.

Based on attendance for that game ....S. Miss fans don't care either. If they did they had 2 choices to view it and it Seems like they chose..neither. Depressing, right?

If you can't get over 1,800 of your own fans to view the game. What makes you

Well, whatever we had at the game outdoes WKU football attendance...lol

Football is over. This guy complains about TV or something 10x a week

Because it's TERRIBLE. Should I be praising it?

The point of this thread was not to question why no one cares about USM basketball. We all know why and it's no secret. My point is that I assumed MTSU and their clout they've garnered over the past few years coupled with the notion that streaming is supposedly where it's at nowadays...I kinda thought there would be a large viewing audience. I was wrong. I'm willing to bet it was 50/50 USM and MTSU fans making up that 1.8k figure mostly. That means only 900-ish MTSU fans were logged on. We keep hearing how internet streaming is the future but literally no one is watching online. It's depressing. And it doesn't reflect well at all when the conference tries negotiating a new tv deal soon. That's all.


No way. It was more like 90 percent MT fans based on all the Facebook comments. Even the announcers were like "Where are the Southern Miss fans?" If you guys couldn't muster 500 fans in your arena for the game I doubt you had more than 90 fans or so watching online. We also had our women playing at the exact time at home against our biggest rival so that didn't help things.

You can't compare these internet streams to TV numbers from channels like ESPN. Only fans from Southern Miss and MT are going to take the time to search out the game. We don't get the huge built in audience numbers that you get just for being on ESPN. Guarantee you put some of those games on Facebook and they draw similar numbers.
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(02-16-2018 09:11 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
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(02-15-2018 09:41 PM)TTT Wrote:  My point is that I assumed MTSU and their clout they've garnered over the past few years coupled with the notion that streaming is supposedly where it's at nowadays...I kinda thought there would be a large viewing audience.

That is the problem right there. USM is the best brand in CUSA yet you expect MTSU fans to do the heavy lifting while you ride their coattail.

Since when? I don't agree with that notion at all....Maybe 10 years ago but certainly not now...

Methinks he was being facetious

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(02-16-2018 11:34 AM)MT FAN Wrote:  
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(02-15-2018 09:54 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  [quote='TTT' pid='15078717' dateline='1518748883']
More than a billion people on Facebook and we can only muster 1.8k viewers in a real good game starring CUSA's #1 team vs a middle of the pack team. That number is depressing.

Honestly.....

who wants to see S. Miss play? And while Middle is the best in CUSA, no one outside of a CUSA fan is caring about Middle playing S. Miss. Most of CUSA is watching THEIR team play.

Based on attendance for that game ....S. Miss fans don't care either. If they did they had 2 choices to view it and it Seems like they chose..neither. Depressing, right?

If you can't get over 1,800 of your own fans to view the game. What makes you

Well, whatever we had at the game outdoes WKU football attendance...lol

Football is over. This guy complains about TV or something 10x a week

Because it's TERRIBLE. Should I be praising it?

The point of this thread was not to question why no one cares about USM basketball. We all know why and it's no secret. My point is that I assumed MTSU and their clout they've garnered over the past few years coupled with the notion that streaming is supposedly where it's at nowadays...I kinda thought there would be a large viewing audience. I was wrong. I'm willing to bet it was 50/50 USM and MTSU fans making up that 1.8k figure mostly. That means only 900-ish MTSU fans were logged on. We keep hearing how internet streaming is the future but literally no one is watching online. It's depressing. And it doesn't reflect well at all when the conference tries negotiating a new tv deal soon. That's all.


No way. It was more like 90 percent MT fans based on all the Facebook comments. Even the announcers were like "Where are the Southern Miss fans?" If you guys couldn't muster 500 fans in your arena for the game I doubt you had more than 90 fans or so watching online. We also had our women playing at the exact time at home against our biggest rival so that didn't help things.

You can't compare these internet streams to TV numbers from channels like ESPN. Only fans from Southern Miss and MT are going to take the time to search out the game. We don't get the huge built in audience numbers that you get just for being on ESPN. Guarantee you put some of those games on Facebook and they draw similar numbers.

Yep. We had over 4,000 at our women's game. Very nice crowd. Too bad our women are so hard to watch, or there would have been more.

Also, not being on in the sports bars across the nation hurts the viewing numbers, for sure. I'm willing to bet many of the "Facebook" viewers were streaming to TV in front of more than one person.
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(02-16-2018 12:13 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
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who wants to see S. Miss play? And while Middle is the best in CUSA, no one outside of a CUSA fan is caring about Middle playing S. Miss. Most of CUSA is watching THEIR team play.

Based on attendance for that game ....S. Miss fans don't care either. If they did they had 2 choices to view it and it Seems like they chose..neither. Depressing, right?

If you can't get over 1,800 of your own fans to view the game. What makes you

Well, whatever we had at the game outdoes WKU football attendance...lol

Football is over. This guy complains about TV or something 10x a week

Because it's TERRIBLE. Should I be praising it?

The point of this thread was not to question why no one cares about USM basketball. We all know why and it's no secret. My point is that I assumed MTSU and their clout they've garnered over the past few years coupled with the notion that streaming is supposedly where it's at nowadays...I kinda thought there would be a large viewing audience. I was wrong. I'm willing to bet it was 50/50 USM and MTSU fans making up that 1.8k figure mostly. That means only 900-ish MTSU fans were logged on. We keep hearing how internet streaming is the future but literally no one is watching online. It's depressing. And it doesn't reflect well at all when the conference tries negotiating a new tv deal soon. That's all.


No way. It was more like 90 percent MT fans based on all the Facebook comments. Even the announcers were like "Where are the Southern Miss fans?" If you guys couldn't muster 500 fans in your arena for the game I doubt you had more than 90 fans or so watching online. We also had our women playing at the exact time at home against our biggest rival so that didn't help things.

You can't compare these internet streams to TV numbers from channels like ESPN. Only fans from Southern Miss and MT are going to take the time to search out the game. We don't get the huge built in audience numbers that you get just for being on ESPN. Guarantee you put some of those games on Facebook and they draw similar numbers.

Yep. We had over 4,000 at our women's game. Very nice crowd. Too bad our women are so hard to watch, or there would have been more.

Also, not being on in the sports bars across the nation hurts the viewing numbers, for sure. I'm willing to bet many of the "Facebook" viewers were streaming to TV in front of more than one person.

wow that many? On ESPN3 camera angles hardly saw anyone especially behind the baskets.....
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(02-15-2018 09:41 PM)TTT Wrote:  More than a billion people on Facebook and we can only muster 1.8k viewers in a real good game starring CUSA's #1 team vs a middle of the pack team. That number is depressing.

That’s more than show up to their big rivalry football game.
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Facebook counts it as a view if someone just scrolls over it long enough for it to play for just a second. People on their phone scrolling through their news feed will most likely get counted as a view.

To be a view on YouTube the viewer has to watch like 75-80% of the video. Much harder to get "a view" on YouTube than on Facebook. FB is more like impressions if that makes sense. The stable amount of viewers is the true indicator of how many individual viewers tuned in and actually watched the game.
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1.8k watching at once on Facebook... 500 maybe in the crowd. Sigh
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(02-16-2018 04:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Facebook counts it as a view if someone just scrolls over it long enough for it to play for just a second. People on their phone scrolling through their news feed will most likely get counted as a view.

To be a view on YouTube the viewer has to watch like 75-80% of the video. Much harder to get "a view" on YouTube than on Facebook. FB is more like impressions if that makes sense. The stable amount of viewers is the true indicator of how many individual viewers tuned in and actually watched the game.

So you're saying 2200 (I forgot the actual number posted on here) watched the Middle/ODU game out of the 400,000 that watched it play for 1 second? Something is out of wack with that that 400k would take the time to scroll over it and only 0.0055% watched it for more time than that
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(02-16-2018 05:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 04:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Facebook counts it as a view if someone just scrolls over it long enough for it to play for just a second. People on their phone scrolling through their news feed will most likely get counted as a view.

To be a view on YouTube the viewer has to watch like 75-80% of the video. Much harder to get "a view" on YouTube than on Facebook. FB is more like impressions if that makes sense. The stable amount of viewers is the true indicator of how many individual viewers tuned in and actually watched the game.

So you're saying 2200 (I forgot the actual number posted on here) watched the Middle/ODU game out of the 400,000 that watched it play for 1 second? Something is out of wack with that that 400k would take the time to scroll over it and only 0.0055% watched it for more time than that

USM/MT had 438 "views". Think about that for a second. At any given time there was no more than 2,000 people watching it/streaming it live.

Although Stadium only has 50K followers on the live basketball page, they have almost $1 million on their main page, so all they have to do is link the live stream inbed into their main FB page and they can jack up the numbers like we're seeing with Selig and Minium being fooled this past week.

Personally, I don't even believe it has to play on auto for a few seconds. I firmly believe FB counts it as a view even if you scroll past it on your smart phone and the video doesn't start. What Stadium needs to deliver to the league - and ostensibly to all of us via the news media is a true accounting of these numbers. You all know as well as I do that the numbers are closer to the 2K than they are 400K - if for no other reason than Stadium is new and only a handful of lesser leagues are partnered with them.
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I agree its probably not close to 400k, that is espn2 numbers with two decent P5 basketball schools. But I don't believe the view count either. Hell 50k would be espnu numbers for the top 2 MAC schools.

I personally dont really think it matters any more because the NCAA Basketball market is flooded with games on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Saturday.

There's no money in it for CUSA and the only concern is...can I watch the game if I wanted to. In that case I would say 90% of us can. Go back 5 years and it's not approaching 20% in the overall number of games a fan could watch anywhere but live and in person.
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(02-16-2018 05:37 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 04:17 PM)herdfan129 Wrote:  Facebook counts it as a view if someone just scrolls over it long enough for it to play for just a second. People on their phone scrolling through their news feed will most likely get counted as a view.

To be a view on YouTube the viewer has to watch like 75-80% of the video. Much harder to get "a view" on YouTube than on Facebook. FB is more like impressions if that makes sense. The stable amount of viewers is the true indicator of how many individual viewers tuned in and actually watched the game.

So you're saying 2200 (I forgot the actual number posted on here) watched the Middle/ODU game out of the 400,000 that watched it play for 1 second? Something is out of wack with that that 400k would take the time to scroll over it and only 0.0055% watched it for more time than that


Yes. That is what I'm saying.

Stadium Sports has 908k Likes/Followers on their Facebook Page. They have incredible reach for just their page alone. The same user can tune in for 1 second and it will count as a view each time.
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I'm not 100% sure but I think even Nielsen only requires a TV viewer to tune in for a certain period of time.

Total guess here but 400k FB views with 1,800-2,200 stable viewers, I'm going to guess Nielsen TV Viewership of 12k-18k.
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I will say this; however, the one thing that Facebook can do that ESPN can't even fathom to begin to touch is Facebook's potential reach.

Facebook has 2.2 billion daily users across the world. At ESPN's height before the cord cutting collapse ESPN had just over 100 million subscribers.

What you have to like about Stadium is that they made a serious investment in the quality of their streaming platform and by putting their feed on Facebook their reach is virtually limitless. Right now what we are doing with Stadium is similar in the new world of Internet things to what the Sun Belt did with the fledgling ESPN network in the early 80's. Stadium is using C-USA as the trial and error period of what they are about to do next with Facebook. With Facebook Live, Facebook has removed itself from being the primary promoter of live stream content on its own site. This is an error on Facebook's part if you ask me, and you have to give the folks at Stadium some credit for beating everyone else to the punch on this.

And because Facebook figured out how to monetize their service (which if you recall was a big concern just a few years ago), Stadium stands to reap the benefits. As Stadium grows their client base they stand to make a lot of money - and if they land P5 conference they are off to the races.

Frankly, I don't even know why Stadium is bothering with a channel. They could likely succeed just by devoting all their attention to Facebook. All that said, whatever we do next I do hope we stay Stadium in some capacity. I won't be a bit surprised if those 2K basketball watchers quadruple in one year. In five years who knows how this will play out.
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(02-17-2018 09:49 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  I will say this; however, the one thing that Facebook can do that ESPN can't even fathom to begin to touch is Facebook's potential reach.

Facebook has 2.2 billion daily users across the world. At ESPN's height before the cord cutting collapse ESPN had just over 100 million subscribers.

What you have to like about Stadium is that they made a serious investment in the quality of their streaming platform and by putting their feed on Facebook their reach is virtually limitless. Right now what we are doing with Stadium is similar in the new world of Internet things to what the Sun Belt did with the fledgling ESPN network in the early 80's. Stadium is using C-USA as the trial and error period of what they are about to do next with Facebook. With Facebook Live, Facebook has removed itself from being the primary promoter of live stream content on its own site. This is an error on Facebook's part if you ask me, and you have to give the folks at Stadium some credit for beating everyone else to the punch on this.

And because Facebook figured out how to monetize their service (which if you recall was a big concern just a few years ago), Stadium stands to reap the benefits. As Stadium grows their client base they stand to make a lot of money - and if they land P5 conference they are off to the races.

Frankly, I don't even know why Stadium is bothering with a channel. They could likely succeed just by devoting all their attention to Facebook. All that said, whatever we do next I do hope we stay Stadium in some capacity. I won't be a bit surprised if those 2K basketball watchers quadruple in one year. In five years who knows how this will play out.

It is certainly in its infancy. Who woulda thought ESPN would be such a giant back when they started.

Stadium is also putting its best foot forward with their on-air talent. Most of the sideline girls are knowledgeable about the games and well-spoken. I've seen worse on the Mothership. The play-by-play and color guys are hit-or-miss, but not cringe-worthy. Some are very good.
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(02-16-2018 10:44 AM)mtsuskyman Wrote:  
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(02-15-2018 11:35 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Could you also see the game from WatchStadium.com ?

Does Facebook count the FireStick, etc, App users the same as those on computers and phones ?

Was the game on the actual Stadium Channel ?

I was at the MT vs. Western women's game. Good crowd there.

If it's through Facebook it would. Can you get FB through fire stick?

Yes, I added the FB app to all of my streaming devices. It works fairly well.

Which devices. There doesn't seem to be one for Roku. It looks like I can link my photos to my Roku but not a full FB app. I have Chromecast if I want to project to the TV, but for live streaming of games it tends to buffer or cut out.
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(02-15-2018 09:41 PM)TTT Wrote:  More than a billion people on Facebook and we can only muster 1.8k viewers in a real good game starring CUSA's #1 team vs a middle of the pack team. That number is depressing.



A USM fan talking basketball attendance smack?? Really??

From a recent home game against ODU

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