(02-14-2018 06:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:49 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Perhaps if Facebook and Youtube weren’t so focused on censoring conservatives, they’d be quicker to shut down the bomb making groups that are allowed to operate and Cruz was a part of.


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Maybe if we didn't have the ability for teenagers to legally have a gun collection like the shooter had, then maybe this wouldn't be such a problem.

The reports I’ve seen are saying he used 1 gun. What does a collection have to do with anything?

Re: Teenager — If you’re proposing we raise the age to legally own a gun from 18 to 21, and have some statistics to back it up, I’d entertain that idea.

And where and when did he get it?

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is a way to get your agenda. 2/3rd votes in the House and Senate followed by ratification by 3/4ths of State legislatures or by a convention of states called for by 2/3rds of state legislatures.

Your European style gun control laws cannot come into existence without that. CANNOT. You know this.

The practical action is to try to find ways to do things like keep mentally ill minors who threaten others and have firearms from having them and keep them from acting out and/or gaining access to places that they have threatened.

Or you can keep screaming for something that you KNOW you cannot get because you think it scores partisan political points and preys on emotional reactions to tragedy.




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Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

#3 and #5 are certainly unconstitutional.

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Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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(02-14-2018 07:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  If you’re proposing we raise the age to own a gun from 18 to 21, and have some statistics to back it up, I’d entertain that idea.

Yup, seems like it's worth discussing.

Then we need to raise the age of adulthood to 21 as well as ban military service.

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Yep.

If they aren't mature enough to own a gun they shouldn't be carrying one for the government.

Or voting for that matter.

(02-14-2018 07:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  If you’re proposing we raise the age to own a gun from 18 to 21, and have some statistics to back it up, I’d entertain that idea.

Yup, seems like it's worth discussing.

Then we need to raise the age of adulthood to 21 as well as ban military service.

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Yep.

If they aren't mature enough to own a gun they shouldn't be carrying one for the government.

Or voting for that matter.

Or signing contracts. Hell they aren't responsible for medical insurance until 26.

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(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is a way to get your agenda. 2/3rd votes in the House and Senate followed by ratification by 3/4ths of State legislatures or by a convention of states called for by 2/3rds of state legislatures.

Your European style gun control laws cannot come into existence without that. CANNOT. You know this.

The practical action is to try to find ways to do things like keep mentally ill minors who threaten others and have firearms from having them and keep them from acting out and/or gaining access to places that they have threatened.

Or you can keep screaming for something that you KNOW you cannot get because you think it scores partisan political points and preys on emotional reactions to tragedy.




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Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

#3 and #5 are certainly unconstitutional.

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Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

(02-14-2018 07:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

#3 and #5 are certainly unconstitutional.

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Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

I used the name Tyrone to drive home the point. Good luck with that.

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(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the same people who accused the Quebec shooter of being a Muslim terrorist (he was a white supremacist), the Las Vegas bomber of being an Antifa guy (no evidence of that - they actually even named the wrong person), etc.

What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more. The key is how do we stop males who are right wing from using firearms to kill lots of people AND non-right wing males from using firearms to kill lots of people.

Seriously, if say, 1% of mass shootings ae by non-right wingers, and Gateway Pundit and Infowars automatically accuse whomever the shooter is of being a liberal or a Muslim, the might be correct 1% of the time or so. But it doesn't validate their 'reporting'. BTW, Gateway actually named the wrong person in the Las Vegas incident.

Most likely, this dude just got off on gun violence.

Wow.

(02-14-2018 07:32 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  #3 and #5 are certainly unconstitutional.

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Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

I used the name Tyrone to drive home the point. Good luck with that.

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That old black women are a protected class

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(02-14-2018 07:32 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:13 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  #3 and #5 are certainly unconstitutional.

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Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

I used the name Tyrone to drive home the point. Good luck with that.

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And what point was that? Do you think that Tyrone with a gun is more dangerous than Chad with a gun?

Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. They wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

(02-14-2018 07:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:32 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

I used the name Tyrone to drive home the point. Good luck with that.

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And what point was that? Do you think that Tyrone with a gun is more dangerous than Chad with a gun?

The point was it is a political loser.

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pretty dayum simple to see who has a clue and who doesn't in this thread.....

just wait for the moo-moo-mooslims to begin slaying....schools are the softest targets of 'em all.....told ya that shite years ago.....

you have to be a dumbarse to not see that side of the equation.....

welcome to what the punk arse weenie arse dippos have created.....

welcome to your hell boys and girls....

I have zero sympathy.....

#pissoff

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

Then we can deport you like Trump is doing to migrants, I suppose. Seriously, your party is setting the precedent.

Registration isn't confiscation. No matter how you want to spin it.

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay.

Just as soon as you take and pass a mental health exam to vote.

(02-14-2018 07:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay.

Just as soon as you take and pass a mental health exam to vote.

A vote doesn't kill people. A gun does.

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(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

The 2nd Amendment was written as a countermeasure against political tyranny. What you are suggesting is essentially destroying the whole point of the Amendment.

(02-14-2018 07:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay.

Just as soon as you take and pass a mental health exam to vote.

A vote doesn't kill people. A gun does.

A vote to do what you want to do with guns will. Lot's of them.

Sadly you are too gutless to be the one kicking in the door to enforce your fantasy.