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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-14-2018 03:35 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  Meaningless table. Let me see the long-term trends. It would be like fretting over the losses in the stock market after it's made huge gains.

Also, it looks like the SEC and ACC are taking a big chunk of the losses. It shouldn't be surprising in the SEC considering how down a lot of the major programs are.

Although SEC and ACC communities have seen increase in general population compared to their northern counterparts. This is something I find concerning. You would hope that the decrease in attendance (occurred in northern campuses) was attributed by the migration to the south from the northern cities.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-22-2018 09:36 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.


My apologies, I just missed it. Certainly, App State is in the East and a key team for that proposed conference.

I proposed a different model at one point including the AAC. The comments were basically that the AAC teams would not step down in competition. Pretty condescending. Just for our discussion purposes, here is what the combined conferences, AAAC, CUSA & SBC, could look like with more regional groupings. This is just one example. I am sure every school would change to their preferred grouping.

ACC

Cincy, Marshall, Navy, E. Carolina, Temple, UConn
App State, UAB, MTSU, WKU, USF, UCF

CUSA - East

ODU, Charlotte, GA State, GA Southern, Coastal
ULM, S. Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU

SBC - West (rename SWC)

Tulsa, SMU, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State, Memphis
UTSA, TX State, Houston, Rice, Louisiana, S. Miss

UTEP and NMSU belong in the far West and join the MWC.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-23-2018 09:34 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:36 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.


My apologies, I just missed it. Certainly, App State is in the East and a key team for that proposed conference.

I proposed a different model at one point including the AAC. The comments were basically that the AAC teams would not step down in competition. Pretty condescending. Just for our discussion purposes, here is what the combined conferences, AAAC, CUSA & SBC, could look like with more regional groupings. This is just one example. I am sure every school would change to their preferred grouping.

ACC

Cincy, Marshall, Navy, E. Carolina, Temple, UConn
App State, UAB, MTSU, WKU, USF, UCF

CUSA - East

ODU, Charlotte, GA State, GA Southern, Coastal
ULM, S. Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU

SBC - West (rename SWC)

Tulsa, SMU, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State, Memphis
UTSA, TX State, Houston, Rice, Louisiana, S. Miss

UTEP and NMSU belong in the far West and join the MWC.

The new SWC seems semi-regional but the other two conferences are anything but.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-23-2018 09:34 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:36 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 11:11 AM)Usajags Wrote:  I think for a G5 realignment to be completely effective it has to include the AAC. CUSA, the SBC and the AAC all share the same geographic footprint. If the G5 commissioners had any intelligence they'd look at the P5 model. The B1G, Big XII, SEC, ACC, and PAC12 don't share the same footprint. They touch of course, but in general don't overlap. This model works, it has proven to work for 75 plus years. Time for then SBC, CUSA and AAC to figure that crap out as well.

Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.


My apologies, I just missed it. Certainly, App State is in the East and a key team for that proposed conference.

I proposed a different model at one point including the AAC. The comments were basically that the AAC teams would not step down in competition. Pretty condescending. Just for our discussion purposes, here is what the combined conferences, AAAC, CUSA & SBC, could look like with more regional groupings. This is just one example. I am sure every school would change to their preferred grouping.

ACC

Cincy, Marshall, Navy, E. Carolina, Temple, UConn
App State, UAB, MTSU, WKU, USF, UCF

CUSA - East

ODU, Charlotte, GA State, GA Southern, Coastal
ULM, S. Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU

SBC - West (rename SWC)

Tulsa, SMU, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State, Memphis
UTSA, TX State, Houston, Rice, Louisiana, S. Miss

UTEP and NMSU belong in the far West and join the MWC.

Going to 14 in the SWC and keeping UTEP and NMSU adds two quality basketball schools, and could make the conference a 3 bid league. Tulsa, SMU, UNT, LTU, Memphis, Houston, Louisiana, UTEP, NMSU and USM all are usually top 175 or better. Playing each other on a regular basis and playing decent OOC schedules could put it on par with the current AAC.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-25-2018 09:19 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:34 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:36 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-16-2018 06:17 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  Somebody should take the time to do the study to see how much of an increase in attendance there is with closer away teams and where the limit is where there is no difference.

I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.


My apologies, I just missed it. Certainly, App State is in the East and a key team for that proposed conference.

I proposed a different model at one point including the AAC. The comments were basically that the AAC teams would not step down in competition. Pretty condescending. Just for our discussion purposes, here is what the combined conferences, AAAC, CUSA & SBC, could look like with more regional groupings. This is just one example. I am sure every school would change to their preferred grouping.

ACC

Cincy, Marshall, Navy, E. Carolina, Temple, UConn
App State, UAB, MTSU, WKU, USF, UCF

CUSA - East

ODU, Charlotte, GA State, GA Southern, Coastal
ULM, S. Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU

SBC - West (rename SWC)

Tulsa, SMU, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State, Memphis
UTSA, TX State, Houston, Rice, Louisiana, S. Miss

UTEP and NMSU belong in the far West and join the MWC.

Going to 14 in the SWC and keeping UTEP and NMSU adds two quality basketball schools, and could make the conference a 3 bid league. Tulsa, SMU, UNT, LTU, Memphis, Houston, Louisiana, UTEP, NMSU and USM all are usually top 175 or better. Playing each other on a regular basis and playing decent OOC schedules could put it on par with the current AAC.

I'm sure that ULL, UNT, La Tech, UTEP, NMSU, and USM would all gladly sign on to that conference arrangement today. Trouble is, Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, and Houston would not.
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(02-16-2018 10:19 AM)Usajags Wrote:  Being mor centrally located, I'm happy with our current makeup. But completely understand what Appman is saying. Of course, I'd still like to be conference mates with USM and back in a conference with UAB.

Here is a question for you App and GaSo fans, would you guys be happy if realignment meant being in separate conferences???

Good question. Short answer no. Long answer too many years when the game was circled, boxed, and underlined with all the stakes on the line to consider the damage at this early point in the move up. The intensity of the rivalry forces the other to keep up and likely serves as the handcuff for some time to come.
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RE: College Football Suffers Biggest Attendance Drop In 34 Years
(02-26-2018 04:12 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  
(02-25-2018 09:19 PM)Vobserver Wrote:  
(02-23-2018 09:34 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:36 AM)trueeagle98 Wrote:  
(02-22-2018 09:23 AM)HoustonCajun Wrote:  I'll repeat something I said which is the SBC and CUSA need to split up into Eastern and Western based conferences. That will allow for conference teams to be more regionalized, reduce travel costs, allow for away teams to better travel to conference games, and help create true rivalries.

CUSA - Eastern based

GA Southern, GA State, Coastal, ODU, Charlotte, Marshall, W. KY, UAB, FIU, FAU, Troy, S. Alabama

SBC - Western based

Louisiana, S. Miss, Rice, Texas State, UTSA, UTEP, NMSU, LA Tech, N. Texas, Ark State, ULM, MTSU

So Appy gets sent back to FCS? I like it. 04-cheers

I guessing you just forgot or maybe think they will go MAC (no App fans you will not be invited to the ACC or even the AAC). MTSU would also be a good option for the eastern conference. Just seems weird they would be in the west, but I understand trying to even out the numbers.


My apologies, I just missed it. Certainly, App State is in the East and a key team for that proposed conference.

I proposed a different model at one point including the AAC. The comments were basically that the AAC teams would not step down in competition. Pretty condescending. Just for our discussion purposes, here is what the combined conferences, AAAC, CUSA & SBC, could look like with more regional groupings. This is just one example. I am sure every school would change to their preferred grouping.

ACC

Cincy, Marshall, Navy, E. Carolina, Temple, UConn
App State, UAB, MTSU, WKU, USF, UCF

CUSA - East

ODU, Charlotte, GA State, GA Southern, Coastal
ULM, S. Alabama, Troy, FAU, FIU

SBC - West (rename SWC)

Tulsa, SMU, N. Texas, LA Tech, Ark State, Memphis
UTSA, TX State, Houston, Rice, Louisiana, S. Miss

UTEP and NMSU belong in the far West and join the MWC.

Going to 14 in the SWC and keeping UTEP and NMSU adds two quality basketball schools, and could make the conference a 3 bid league. Tulsa, SMU, UNT, LTU, Memphis, Houston, Louisiana, UTEP, NMSU and USM all are usually top 175 or better. Playing each other on a regular basis and playing decent OOC schedules could put it on par with the current AAC.

I'm sure that ULL, UNT, La Tech, UTEP, NMSU, and USM would all gladly sign on to that conference arrangement today. Trouble is, Tulsa, SMU, Memphis, and Houston would not.

If I were the other 10 schools besides the 4 AAC schools, I would sign up for that conference without those 4. Still a nice 10 team regional conference with several schools that are good in two or more sports.
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