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Notre Dame forfeits 21 wins and whines
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Folks should be very worried about how investigations will go moving forward. It's not so much that UNC or others get away with things, but how they get away with things not helping or even hindering a NCAA investigation. Place that to those who are fully cooperative with the body, and then self-sanction, only to receive additional punishments from the body.

No, that's not how it works, NCAA.
02-13-2018 03:07 PM
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Unreal. UNC skips all punishment and sanctions on the exact same argument that ND made for its case.

Get ready. This is the beginning of the end for the NCAA. They just made an enemy out of a top power conference school.
02-13-2018 03:13 PM
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After this, I never want to hear that stupid line again about how "when big schools do something bad, small schools get punished by the NCAA."
02-13-2018 03:18 PM
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Another kick in the privates. Welcome to Miami, SMU and any private school that the NCAA wants to kick. God forbid that LSU, Bama, OSU or any enormous state u skirts the rules.
02-13-2018 03:47 PM
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ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?
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The cited infractions pertain to incidents over five years ago. There is still no real time consequences. These delay tactics and long appeal processes just water-down the consequences, sometimes to nothing.
Notre Dame has to vacate dated wins, though it did include a championship season, which they are not happy about. Swofford used his get-out-of-jail free chips on UNC.

The politics in this stuff is immense. Some of the biggest named schools receive wrist slaps for rhe most serious
Infractions. Others less influential, can receive harsher penalties. So much of the dirty activities are never exposed; particular the illegal money exchanges and "gifts", delivered in clever ways.

Either overhaul the system and take political power influences out of it, or just end the farce altogether.
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(02-13-2018 03:47 PM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  Another kick in the privates. Welcome to Miami, SMU and any private school that the NCAA wants to kick. God forbid that LSU, Bama, OSU or any enormous state u skirts the rules.

By OSU, I assume you mean Ohio State? They DID skirt the rules (free tattoos for players), and they got hit hard for it.

1-year bowl ban, 9 scholarships removed (3 for three years), $339k fine, and a show-cause penalty for their head coach.
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(02-13-2018 04:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?

The NCAA has no business in any aspect of a Universities Academic affairs.
02-13-2018 04:50 PM
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03-idea Time to retire the NCAA's existence! 07-coffee3
02-13-2018 05:04 PM
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**** the NCAA- With that said our President needs to bow out and retire. Get rid of the whole lot of them, Kelly, ******* Swarbrick . This is ******.

**** the NCAA.
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UNC convinced the NCAA that there issue was one of accreditation which is out of the NCAAs jurisdiction

ND self reported a violation in which student athlete received improper academic benefits

Different issues from a legal standpoint but man the NCAA never misses an opportunity to look like hypocritical idiots.

If I ran a company I would hire the NCAA for PR consultation and then do the exact opposite of everything they suggest
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Is there any benefit to self reporting? Notre Dame has as harsh and firm expectations for student athletes as any athletic program in the country. If they can't reward integrity, but ignore actual and true wrongdoing, this is further evidence the NCAA is outdated and unnecessary.
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(02-13-2018 09:55 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Is there any benefit to self reporting? Notre Dame has as harsh and firm expectations for student athletes as any athletic program in the country. If they can't reward integrity, but ignore actual and true wrongdoing, this is further evidence the NCAA is outdated and unnecessary.

I think the NCAA answered that question
02-14-2018 07:29 AM
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(02-13-2018 07:57 PM)solohawks Wrote:  UNC convinced the NCAA that there issue was one of accreditation which is out of the NCAAs jurisdiction

ND self reported a violation in which student athlete received improper academic benefits

Different issues from a legal standpoint but man the NCAA never misses an opportunity to look like hypocritical idiots.

If I ran a company I would hire the NCAA for PR consultation and then do the exact opposite of everything they suggest


In the NC case I think that what constitutes a class doesn't fall under NCAA guidelines but they had emails between NC staff members talking about falsifying grades & the use of "recycled papers" to make athletes eligible so I think these two cases are somewhat similar. Both are improper academic benefits which does fall under NCAA guidelines. What the NCAA has been doing lately is ignoring some rules & creating new ones to fit their agenda. Under NCAA rules & the precedents set the ND case doesn't warrant the vacation of wins.


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Moral of the story......

Self report, correct the situation, and do things the right way = Get kicked in the plumbs

Lie, cheat, skirt the rules, and do everything possible to deflect = Slap on the wrist, if that
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(02-13-2018 04:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?

If ND would have won the NC that year, you would care. Any reference or banner or trophy related to it would have to be expunged.

And compared to what was going on at UNC; I don't get any real punishment for ND at all. The NCAA is so inconsistent.
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(02-13-2018 07:57 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  **** the NCAA- With that said our President needs to bow out and retire. Get rid of the whole lot of them, Kelly, ******* Swarbrick . This is ******.

**** the NCAA.

04-rock You should and join ACC football, also. 07-coffee3
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(02-13-2018 04:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  ND self reported and cooperated.

They suspended the players immediately. No good deed....

The punishment is no big deal, though. Who really cares about "vacated wins"?

Personally, unless its really egregious, I think vacating wins is ridiculous. Vacating titles, however, should be done.
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Given the NCAA's non action on UNC-Chapel Hills blatant academic fraud, I don't blame ND for calling out the NCAA. UNC-Chapel Hill provided the cheating blueprint and the NCAA endorsed it.
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