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(02-12-2018 03:28 PM)justinslot Wrote:  This does not effect the fun parts of Ybor, right? Except possibly the Centro garage getting full on game days.

Nope...it should help bring a few decent sports bars though.

It will be interesting what happens to the St Pete Bowl if this becomes reality. Actually a 3rd tier bowl in either Ybor or St. Pete would work. I can't image the Trop survives though.

Trop goes down as the last rays moving van leaves the parking lot. rays are on the hook for the demolition fee too

Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Without a tenant it becomes a white elephant...can't survive on a smattering of events.
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One other thing I forgot about. With the TB Rowdies trying to build a 20K MLS stadium on the waterfront in St Pete, I wonder if that would also be an option for St Pete bowl. I was always under the impression that they were tied to the Rays, but not sure if that really is true.
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(02-12-2018 01:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Would a new baseball stadium affect the construction of an ocs for USF?

I doubt it. The OCS would be financed by donors, where as the Rays are mooching off the city and county governments. I also had one prominent city official tell me to my face that there would be no multi-use factor with the Rays and Bulls-each will build their own dedicated facility.
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(02-13-2018 10:04 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other thing I forgot about. With the TB Rowdies trying to build a 20K MLS stadium on the waterfront in St Pete, I wonder if that would also be an option for St Pete bowl. I was always under the impression that they were tied to the Rays, but not sure if that really is true.

I highly doubt any MLS stadium is ever built in St Pete. Edwards is struggling to keep his MLS bid afloat and is now trying to find more investors to boost his bid. If baseball struggled to draw because of where ST Pete is geographically, the same will apply to a minor sport like soccer.

I also know that secretly, St Pete officials are excited about the idea of having the Trop space for further downtown development. There are at least 3 major corporations who have already said they will build a larger HQ on that property if it was available. Jabil being #1.

The Rays needed to be in Tampa and St Pete will get better economic value out of using that property for businesses, condos, and restaurants. Win/Win.
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(02-13-2018 10:04 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other thing I forgot about. With the TB Rowdies trying to build a 20K MLS stadium on the waterfront in St Pete, I wonder if that would also be an option for St Pete bowl. I was always under the impression that they were tied to the Rays, but not sure if that really is true.

I would love to see the Rowdies get into MLS. The rivalry with the Lions would kick it up a notch.

Remember the Storm-Predators games from the 90's ? Yeah. Now THAT was a rivalry. The Knights and Bulls don't hold a candle to those old grudge matches.
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(02-13-2018 11:33 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 10:04 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  One other thing I forgot about. With the TB Rowdies trying to build a 20K MLS stadium on the waterfront in St Pete, I wonder if that would also be an option for St Pete bowl. I was always under the impression that they were tied to the Rays, but not sure if that really is true.

I highly doubt any MLS stadium is ever built in St Pete. Edwards is struggling to keep his MLS bid afloat and is now trying to find more investors to boost his bid. If baseball struggled to draw because of where ST Pete is geographically, the same will apply to a minor sport like soccer.

I also know that secretly, St Pete officials are excited about the idea of having the Trop space for further downtown development. There are at least 3 major corporations who have already said they will build a larger HQ on that property if it was available. Jabil being #1.

The Rays needed to be in Tampa and St Pete will get better economic value out of using that property for businesses, condos, and restaurants. Win/Win.

The land is worth more as a mixed use development than it is as a stadium I would imagine.
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(02-13-2018 11:13 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Would a new baseball stadium affect the construction of an ocs for USF?

I doubt it. The OCS would be financed by donors, where as the Rays are mooching off the city and county governments. I also had one prominent city official tell me to my face that there would be no multi-use factor with the Rays and Bulls-each will build their own dedicated facility.

I also don't think the Bulls would go from paying rent to one team owner (Glazers) only to pay rent to another (Steinberg).

They want their own stadium, but probably want something more "grandiose (I.E. - Expensive) than a steel stadium that they can add on to as they go (as with UCF).

The problem is that there isn't the money for something like that.
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(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:42 PM)Doglando Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 03:28 PM)justinslot Wrote:  This does not effect the fun parts of Ybor, right? Except possibly the Centro garage getting full on game days.

Nope...it should help bring a few decent sports bars though.

It will be interesting what happens to the St Pete Bowl if this becomes reality. Actually a 3rd tier bowl in either Ybor or St. Pete would work. I can't image the Trop survives though.

Trop goes down as the last rays moving van leaves the parking lot. rays are on the hook for the demolition fee too

Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

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(02-13-2018 11:13 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 01:46 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Would a new baseball stadium affect the construction of an ocs for USF?

I doubt it. The OCS would be financed by donors, where as the Rays are mooching off the city and county governments. I also had one prominent city official tell me to my face that there would be no multi-use factor with the Rays and Bulls-each will build their own dedicated facility.

That I agree with...but a one off bowl game in mid/late December isn't a huge deal.

Having 20k quality seats is about all the St Pete Bowl needs most years. It could work at YBor.
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RE: St Pete bowl
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:42 PM)Doglando Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 03:28 PM)justinslot Wrote:  This does not effect the fun parts of Ybor, right? Except possibly the Centro garage getting full on game days.

Nope...it should help bring a few decent sports bars though.

It will be interesting what happens to the St Pete Bowl if this becomes reality. Actually a 3rd tier bowl in either Ybor or St. Pete would work. I can't image the Trop survives though.

Trop goes down as the last rays moving van leaves the parking lot. rays are on the hook for the demolition fee too

Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3
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(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:42 PM)Doglando Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:39 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  Nope...it should help bring a few decent sports bars though.

It will be interesting what happens to the St Pete Bowl if this becomes reality. Actually a 3rd tier bowl in either Ybor or St. Pete would work. I can't image the Trop survives though.

Trop goes down as the last rays moving van leaves the parking lot. rays are on the hook for the demolition fee too

Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

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(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 04:42 PM)Doglando Wrote:  Trop goes down as the last rays moving van leaves the parking lot. rays are on the hook for the demolition fee too

Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

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You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!
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(02-14-2018 01:30 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

[Image: BQqv4oyCYAAmuw7.jpg]

You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!

You should see the crazy stuff online. Here is the king of crazy as you an Eagles fan: In 1984, the owner of the Eagles, Leonard Tose, was in so much debt that he almost sold the team to an owner who would have moved the team to Phoenix.

Of course, it never happened. And for good reason. A historical NFL shouldn't move. I don't know if there any shirts printed though. Probably night since it was a "possible but the NFL won't approve it" kind of thing.

When the Eagles could have moved....1984...
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(02-14-2018 01:30 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 03:55 AM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  Why would you say that. The stadium wasn't even built for the Rays. It was built to entice the Chicago White Sox to move south when they were negotiating for a new park in Chicago.

Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

[Image: BQqv4oyCYAAmuw7.jpg]

You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!

And here is a tragic one, IMO:

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(02-12-2018 06:44 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The last time a Rays specific stadium was being floated out there (the one somewhere near the water with the 'sail-like' canopy), the general plan was to demo the Sun-Dome/aka "Trop" and build a 20k pro-Soccer stadium on the site. I remember some discussion that USF could also consider the site for a FB stadium because it wasn't far from their St. Petersburg campus...

The question for the Bowl Game is what happens to the game if the stadium isn't there?
That was because they were building the new rays stadium over Al Lang where the rowdies play. Current soccer plan is to upgrade al lang

No chance another stadium goes up where the trop is. The condo market is on fire in downtown st pete, they'll put up condos and town homes.
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(02-14-2018 02:55 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(02-12-2018 06:44 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The last time a Rays specific stadium was being floated out there (the one somewhere near the water with the 'sail-like' canopy), the general plan was to demo the Sun-Dome/aka "Trop" and build a 20k pro-Soccer stadium on the site. I remember some discussion that USF could also consider the site for a FB stadium because it wasn't far from their St. Petersburg campus...

The question for the Bowl Game is what happens to the game if the stadium isn't there?
That was because they were building the new rays stadium over Al Lang where the rowdies play. Current soccer plan is to upgrade al lang

No chance another stadium goes up where the trop is. The condo market is on fire in downtown st pete, they'll put up condos and town homes.

And I hope they get it done, too! I would love to see the Rowdies in MLS. Imagine the grudge matches between the Rowdies and Lions in MLS if that happened ? Gotta go back to the Storm/Preds in the 90's for hatred like that...
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(02-14-2018 02:41 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:30 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  Shoot, they even printed t-shirts.

[Image: 750x422]

I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. :coffee3:

[Image: BQqv4oyCYAAmuw7.jpg]

You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!

You should see the crazy stuff online. Here is the king of crazy as you an Eagles fan: In 1984, the owner of the Eagles, Leonard Tose, was in so much debt that he almost sold the team to an owner who would have moved the team to Phoenix.

Of course, it never happened. And for good reason. A historical NFL shouldn't move. I don't know if there any shirts printed though. Probably night since it was a "possible but the NFL won't approve it" kind of thing.

When the Eagles could have moved....1984...

Remember it well. Current owner Lurie made noise about moving the team in the late 90’s to extort, er, convince the city and state to fork over hundreds of millions for the Linc. I think that was a Los Angeles threat. Interestingly, Kraft was also making noise about moving the Patriots, and Philly was one of the names floated out there. Can you find any Super Bowl LII L.A. Eagles vs Philadelphia Patriots t-shirts?

Also as a younger man I had a girlfriend in Cleveland. Great town great people had their hearts ripped out when the Browns left.
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(02-14-2018 10:50 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:41 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:30 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

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You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!

You should see the crazy stuff online. Here is the king of crazy as you an Eagles fan: In 1984, the owner of the Eagles, Leonard Tose, was in so much debt that he almost sold the team to an owner who would have moved the team to Phoenix.

Of course, it never happened. And for good reason. A historical NFL shouldn't move. I don't know if there any shirts printed though. Probably night since it was a "possible but the NFL won't approve it" kind of thing.

When the Eagles could have moved....1984...

Remember it well. Current owner Lurie made noise about moving the team in the late 90’s to extort, er, convince the city and state to fork over hundreds of millions for the Linc. I think that was a Los Angeles threat. Interestingly, Kraft was also making noise about moving the Patriots, and Philly was one of the names floated out there. Can you find any Super Bowl LII L.A. Eagles vs Philadelphia Patriots t-shirts?

Also as a younger man I had a girlfriend in Cleveland. Great town great people had their hearts ripped out when the Browns left.


Shhhh, you all are killing me. I didn't watch football really till they came back. My second favorite sports day ever was when the city got to keep the name and the history. F off Baltimore you're expansion.
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(02-14-2018 10:50 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 02:41 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-14-2018 01:30 PM)vick mike Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 11:49 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(02-13-2018 07:43 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  I think the Trop owners also made a play for the San Francisco Giants too but I haven't found anything yet. See if you can find shirts for them too. 07-coffee3

[Image: BQqv4oyCYAAmuw7.jpg]

You, sir, are the king of obscure t-shirts!

You should see the crazy stuff online. Here is the king of crazy as you an Eagles fan: In 1984, the owner of the Eagles, Leonard Tose, was in so much debt that he almost sold the team to an owner who would have moved the team to Phoenix.

Of course, it never happened. And for good reason. A historical NFL shouldn't move. I don't know if there any shirts printed though. Probably night since it was a "possible but the NFL won't approve it" kind of thing.

When the Eagles could have moved....1984...

Remember it well. Current owner Lurie made noise about moving the team in the late 90’s to extort, er, convince the city and state to fork over hundreds of millions for the Linc. I think that was a Los Angeles threat. Interestingly, Kraft was also making noise about moving the Patriots, and Philly was one of the names floated out there. Can you find any Super Bowl LII L.A. Eagles vs Philadelphia Patriots t-shirts?

Also as a younger man I had a girlfriend in Cleveland. Great town great people had their hearts ripped out when the Browns left.

Cities like San Antonio, Tampa Bay, and Louisville have been used by greedy owners for years to extort money and concessions from existing teams.
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RE: St Pete bowl
(02-12-2018 06:44 AM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  The last time a Rays specific stadium was being floated out there (the one somewhere near the water with the 'sail-like' canopy), the general plan was to demo the Sun-Dome/aka "Trop" and build a 20k pro-Soccer stadium on the site. I remember some discussion that USF could also consider the site for a FB stadium because it wasn't far from their St. Petersburg campus...

The question for the Bowl Game is what happens to the game if the stadium isn't there?

If ESPN wants to keep the bowl game in a baseball stadium they can move it to Marlins Stadium in Miami. I hear there is an AAC Bowl vacancy spot there now. For what it is worth since ESPN owns the bowl they probably could move it anywhere they want too especially if it means getting two P5 conferences involved in it. St Louis has an empty indoor stadium during the Christmas holidays now, within driving distance of B10, B12, and SEC schools. ESPN will just have to rename the bowl after its new location. AKA the new Frisco Bowl. Hopefully it would remain in Sunny Florida with the AAC and ACC associated with it though. 07-coffee3
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